Comments on: Emeritus status: who cares? http://www.historiann.com/2010/09/27/emeritus-status-who-cares/ History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present Mon, 22 Sep 2014 04:23:22 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.9.2 By: LadyProf http://www.historiann.com/2010/09/27/emeritus-status-who-cares/comment-page-1/#comment-719779 Wed, 29 Sep 2010 18:35:24 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=12620#comment-719779 I wonder if that happens any more, or if most people 65 and under learned to use computers and do their own typing along the way?

I can speak only about law schools, where this catering to the oldsters is on the wane but still exists. Especially in richer institutions.

And among supervisors of support staff it is a truth universally acknowledged that office staffers should rank elderly white fellows ahead of all other faculty members, and pay attention to younger or more female people only as time permits. “You’re the self-sufficient generation,” they say when denying requests for help. They think it’s cute–and a drop-everything action item for them–whenever an old guy can’t find the big green button on the copying machine.

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By: Historiann http://www.historiann.com/2010/09/27/emeritus-status-who-cares/comment-page-1/#comment-719208 Tue, 28 Sep 2010 18:47:24 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=12620#comment-719208 Janice, it’s a big perk to get office space. We can barely provide offices for our full-time faculty. (All TT people have their own offices, but unfortunately, some of our adjuncts have to bunk in with someone else. But AFAIK, any adjuncts teaching 4 classes a term get their own offices–it’s just those teaching one or two classes who must share.)

Your comment about “what exists of office support” reminds me of my days at Penn 20 years ago. Many of the office staff were understood to be typists/word processors for a few very senior male proffies, who never learned to use computers or to type. It was an accomodation for entitled, clueless dudes. I wonder if that happens any more, or if most people 65 and under learned to use computers and do their own typing along the way?

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By: Janice http://www.historiann.com/2010/09/27/emeritus-status-who-cares/comment-page-1/#comment-719152 Tue, 28 Sep 2010 15:20:33 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=12620#comment-719152 At my university, if you retire at the rank of full professor, you’re automatically given the emeritus rank. If you retire at a lower rank, you have to apply for that and there’s input given from your department and faculty as well as having to be approved by the Senate and BoG.

As Tom noted, the rank confers privileges which varies from institution to institution. Here it includes on-campus office space and access to what exists of office support and supplies.

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By: Susan http://www.historiann.com/2010/09/27/emeritus-status-who-cares/comment-page-1/#comment-718837 Tue, 28 Sep 2010 01:49:22 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=12620#comment-718837 I was going to say that the email and library stuff is not trivial, especially as library access gives access to all the databases and online journals, which are prohibitive to the individual….

Ayers seems to have decided never to apologize for what he did in the late 60s/early 70s. I can see his point, but some perspective from the present would surely be worthwhile…

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By: Indyanna http://www.historiann.com/2010/09/27/emeritus-status-who-cares/comment-page-1/#comment-718822 Tue, 28 Sep 2010 00:50:55 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=12620#comment-718822 Coming from a somewhat younger segment of the same generational cohort, I’ve got to imagine what Ayers himself might have said, prospectively, back in ’68, between whifs of tear gas and/or what used to be ritualistically called the “sickly sweet smell of marijuana smoke…”: viz., emeritus, schmeritus… It pretty much ranks somewhere between a mosquito bite and another book contract. I feel more for my friend’s kid sister, back in the day, who in a fit of pique and disestablishmentarian honor, turned down National Merit Scholar and a few other ceremonial meritocratic designations. And presumably paid a tiny competitive price for it on a hundred or more occasions since, although she did all right by almost any measure.

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By: Historiann http://www.historiann.com/2010/09/27/emeritus-status-who-cares/comment-page-1/#comment-718767 Mon, 27 Sep 2010 21:10:57 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=12620#comment-718767 KC–that’s interesting. I played a role in supporting the application of a former colleague (at another uni than my current one) for Emeritus status. I don’t know what my current department does–whether people have to apply for the status, whether the department has to support it (or not), and whether or not it’s even available.

But, it seems like my former colleagues have their e-mail addresses and library cards. Many of them are quite active–they stop by when they’re carrying a load of books to or from the library. It seems like the uni gets more than the value of their library cards and e-mail accounts, having such active citizens around.

Thanks to Tim Lacy for the insider perspective. And koshem Bos: I would agree with you, except that Illinois clearly found it expedient to look the other way while they hired, promoted, and permitted him to rise through the ranks. (I’ll take Tim’s word that Ayers was rehabilitated through his work–I don’t know anything about his scholarship.) If Illinois was really bothered by Ayers’s criminal past, they wouldn’t have hired or tenured him in the first place.

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By: Knitting Clio http://www.historiann.com/2010/09/27/emeritus-status-who-cares/comment-page-1/#comment-718748 Mon, 27 Sep 2010 20:26:33 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=12620#comment-718748 Our department refused to recommend emeritus status to a guy who was notorious for hitting on young female students and did nothing but teach his classes the last ten years he was here (and he did that poorly ). This was mainly symbolic — I don’t even think emeritus here can even use the photocopier — but it sent a message.

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By: koshem Bos http://www.historiann.com/2010/09/27/emeritus-status-who-cares/comment-page-1/#comment-718740 Mon, 27 Sep 2010 19:33:50 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=12620#comment-718740 They may deny me emeritus when time, not far away, comes. I have no intention to continue in the same path; retirement is an opportunity to start new directions. There is only so much you can accomplish when you try to be a scholar and raise kids.

Those who, directly or indirectly, support killing should not be members of any decent community. You have to be at a real low to support murder. Ayers was and never apologized. Why accord him the honor?

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By: Tim Lacy http://www.historiann.com/2010/09/27/emeritus-status-who-cares/comment-page-1/#comment-718735 Mon, 27 Sep 2010 19:20:47 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=12620#comment-718735 As with Matt L above, there are some practical considerations that would benefit Ayers. But he could probably arrange for some of those perks without emeritus status. The denial is simply political and personal.

What’s funny about this decision is that it harms UIC financially. Why? Because one of the “perks” of being emeritus is getting paid less to teach the same kinds of courses. And with Ayers bad-boy persona, he was an attractive teacher for students (i.e. the novelty factor). So now UIC will have to find someone less distinguished, scholarship-wise, to teach Ayers’s courses—someone who won’t keep the same number of butts in the seats.

As a former UIC employee, I can say with some authority that it’s perfectly in line with UIC’s administrative ineptitude to make a symbolic statement while also shooting themselves in the foot.

Anyway, Historiann, I agree with your very last lines: this is something Ayers can relish, as well as use to sell his next book. He gets to retain a bad-boy image despite the fact that he’s pretty much been reformed by his own work. I’m serious about this. He works on nuts-and-bolts education issues. He’s a fine professional in his specialty. – TL

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By: undine http://www.historiann.com/2010/09/27/emeritus-status-who-cares/comment-page-1/#comment-718713 Mon, 27 Sep 2010 17:38:54 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=12620#comment-718713 The library and other perks that Matt L mentions would be nice, as would the “thank you” that emeritus/a status confers.

How unusual is it for people to be denied emeritus/a status, anyway? I’m thinking that it’s probably fairly unusual and statistically unlikely, even if the person wasn’t a great colleague, as Matt L suggests. That would make the absence of the status sting a lot more, although Ayers is doubtless rich enough to afford his own photocopying.

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