Comments on: The net effect of the “high cost of higher ed” argument http://www.historiann.com/2010/09/12/the-net-effect-of-the-high-cost-of-higher-ed-argument/ History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present Fri, 24 May 2013 22:56:11 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4 By: At least Woodrow Wilson was being honest about his intentions. « More or Less Bunk http://www.historiann.com/2010/09/12/the-net-effect-of-the-high-cost-of-higher-ed-argument/comment-page-1/#comment-803094 At least Woodrow Wilson was being honest about his intentions. « More or Less Bunk Fri, 18 Mar 2011 03:04:22 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=12447#comment-803094 [...] I seen this argument somewhere before? Oh yeah, I’ve seen it just about everywhere, and while Historiann likes to point out that state schools are a relative bargain, this guy is [...] [...] I seen this argument somewhere before? Oh yeah, I’ve seen it just about everywhere, and while Historiann likes to point out that state schools are a relative bargain, this guy is [...]

]]> By: “History Under Attack:” Tony Grafton is spoiling for a fight. : Historiann : History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present http://www.historiann.com/2010/09/12/the-net-effect-of-the-high-cost-of-higher-ed-argument/comment-page-1/#comment-767917 “History Under Attack:” Tony Grafton is spoiling for a fight. : Historiann : History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present Wed, 05 Jan 2011 16:15:59 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=12447#comment-767917 [...] if only!)  As I have argued here before, premier dailies like Kaplan Testing’s house organ and the New York Times write as though [...] [...] if only!)  As I have argued here before, premier dailies like Kaplan Testing’s house organ and the New York Times write as though [...]

]]> By: Saturday link love « Grumpy rumblings of the untenured http://www.historiann.com/2010/09/12/the-net-effect-of-the-high-cost-of-higher-ed-argument/comment-page-1/#comment-713560 Saturday link love « Grumpy rumblings of the untenured Sat, 18 Sep 2010 07:50:03 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=12447#comment-713560 [...] that note, Historiann with an excellent discussion of the costs of higher education.  It can be a very good deal and (and whiners like Evan should stop whining ;) ).  She [...] [...] that note, Historiann with an excellent discussion of the costs of higher education.  It can be a very good deal and (and whiners like Evan should stop whining ;) ).  She [...]

]]> By: Z http://www.historiann.com/2010/09/12/the-net-effect-of-the-high-cost-of-higher-ed-argument/comment-page-1/#comment-712966 Z Fri, 17 Sep 2010 04:51:06 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=12447#comment-712966 "writing grants one day soon so that the library can buy that ancient technology we in the humanities know as 'books.'" I've done it a couple of times, for quite a lot of money, and I did it under an equipment rubric, arguing that books were an important technology. It worked. “writing grants one day soon so that the library can buy that ancient technology we in the humanities know as ‘books.’”

I’ve done it a couple of times, for quite a lot of money, and I did it under an equipment rubric, arguing that books were an important technology. It worked.

]]> By: Perpetua http://www.historiann.com/2010/09/12/the-net-effect-of-the-high-cost-of-higher-ed-argument/comment-page-1/#comment-712698 Perpetua Thu, 16 Sep 2010 14:57:32 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=12447#comment-712698 I know the conversation has moved on, but I just found this and thought it might be a useful addition, on the subject of salaries: http://www.epi.org/publications/entry/bp276 (It's called "The Myth of the Overpaid Public Employee") I know the conversation has moved on, but I just found this and thought it might be a useful addition, on the subject of salaries:

http://www.epi.org/publications/entry/bp276

(It’s called “The Myth of the Overpaid Public Employee”)

]]> By: Historiann http://www.historiann.com/2010/09/12/the-net-effect-of-the-high-cost-of-higher-ed-argument/comment-page-1/#comment-711515 Historiann Mon, 13 Sep 2010 21:06:31 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=12447#comment-711515 Wow. New York has turned its unis into revenue-generating enterprises? WTF? Colorado sucks at supporting its unis, but at least we don't (yet!) have to pay the state. What a racket. Wow. New York has turned its unis into revenue-generating enterprises? WTF? Colorado sucks at supporting its unis, but at least we don’t (yet!) have to pay the state.

What a racket.

]]> By: Flavia http://www.historiann.com/2010/09/12/the-net-effect-of-the-high-cost-of-higher-ed-argument/comment-page-1/#comment-711441 Flavia Mon, 13 Sep 2010 17:47:44 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=12447#comment-711441 Coming to this late, but wanted to say: amen! I teach at a SUNY, and our tuition is comparable to yours. It's just been raised, though (a fairly modest amount), and guess what? Almost none of the tuition increase is actually <i>going to</i> SUNY: it's going into New York State's general fund. Apparently that's long been true of most of our tuition dollars This disgusts me beyond words. And maybe this is off-topics, but a related issue that I never see discussed is how financial aid strictures hurt the working class. Since federal financial aid is dependent upon being a "full time" student, we get students who are barely covering their tuition (sometimes while living at home and/or working full or almost full-time), and who, when a life crisis occurs, literally can't afford to drop a class or two. Usually they <i>effectively</i> drop those classes, by no longer coming to them, preferring to take an "F" so they can stay in school and keep their financial aid. This happens to really bright students as well as less talented ones, and it f*cks with their GPA (and their ability to get hired, go to grad/professional school) something fierce. Coming to this late, but wanted to say: amen! I teach at a SUNY, and our tuition is comparable to yours. It’s just been raised, though (a fairly modest amount), and guess what? Almost none of the tuition increase is actually going to SUNY: it’s going into New York State’s general fund. Apparently that’s long been true of most of our tuition dollars This disgusts me beyond words.

And maybe this is off-topics, but a related issue that I never see discussed is how financial aid strictures hurt the working class. Since federal financial aid is dependent upon being a “full time” student, we get students who are barely covering their tuition (sometimes while living at home and/or working full or almost full-time), and who, when a life crisis occurs, literally can’t afford to drop a class or two. Usually they effectively drop those classes, by no longer coming to them, preferring to take an “F” so they can stay in school and keep their financial aid. This happens to really bright students as well as less talented ones, and it f*cks with their GPA (and their ability to get hired, go to grad/professional school) something fierce.

]]> By: Historiann http://www.historiann.com/2010/09/12/the-net-effect-of-the-high-cost-of-higher-ed-argument/comment-page-1/#comment-711409 Historiann Mon, 13 Sep 2010 15:56:46 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=12447#comment-711409 Great points, Tony, Susan, and Z. I'm sure we'll all be writing grants one day soon so that the library can buy that ancient technology we in the humanities know as "books." Susan, I'm sure you're right about the assumptions about liberal arts, class, and usefulness. As an Aggie school, our historic mission is in the industrial and agricultural arts and sciences, not the liberal arts. Still, it's frustrating when I know the quality of the work that goes on here to know at the same time that we'll never be recognized or rewarded for it as we would be if my department were somehow sandwiched into a reasonably selective liberal arts college. But, that's the breaks. My job is a good one. I've got a 2-2 load, which they'll have to pry out of my cold, dead fingers! Great points, Tony, Susan, and Z. I’m sure we’ll all be writing grants one day soon so that the library can buy that ancient technology we in the humanities know as “books.”

Susan, I’m sure you’re right about the assumptions about liberal arts, class, and usefulness. As an Aggie school, our historic mission is in the industrial and agricultural arts and sciences, not the liberal arts. Still, it’s frustrating when I know the quality of the work that goes on here to know at the same time that we’ll never be recognized or rewarded for it as we would be if my department were somehow sandwiched into a reasonably selective liberal arts college.

But, that’s the breaks. My job is a good one. I’ve got a 2-2 load, which they’ll have to pry out of my cold, dead fingers!

]]> By: Z http://www.historiann.com/2010/09/12/the-net-effect-of-the-high-cost-of-higher-ed-argument/comment-page-1/#comment-711146 Z Mon, 13 Sep 2010 04:03:05 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=12447#comment-711146 And anyway -- what I meant to say in the first place was, great post, Historiann, please keep it up, we're grateful! And anyway — what I meant to say in the first place was, great post, Historiann, please keep it up, we’re grateful!

]]> By: Z http://www.historiann.com/2010/09/12/the-net-effect-of-the-high-cost-of-higher-ed-argument/comment-page-1/#comment-711145 Z Mon, 13 Sep 2010 04:02:29 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=12447#comment-711145 Oh yes -- and we, in humanities, write external grants for equipment, including computers and projectors and man hours to maintain them, and books for the library, and there's at least one big humanities project going on that's externally funded (I'm sure there are more), and indirect costs are taken out of our grant monies, and that money gets spread around the university. Oh yes — and we, in humanities, write external grants for equipment, including computers and projectors and man hours to maintain them, and books for the library, and there’s at least one big humanities project going on that’s externally funded (I’m sure there are more), and indirect costs are taken out of our grant monies, and that money gets spread around the university.

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