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		<title>By: naomi dagen bloom</title>
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		<dc:creator>naomi dagen bloom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Oct 2010 17:21:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is there something in between re-enactment and guided tours? Fifteen years ago I was a docent at The Tenement Museum in New York City.  Where else is the immigrant story celebrated--granted, a limited view of 19th &amp; early 20th century Germans, Jews, and Italians.  The building was not overly fixed--visitors saw bathtub in kitchen, toilets in halls.  As we crowded together, there was some reality to reality of too many bodies living, sleeping in shifts in tiny, airless rooms. 

Short dramas were offered periodically to give a sense of family interactions that might have occurred.  Walking tours of the changing neighborhood were encouraged. In my dreams I imagine an iconic, genuine structure, one where early arrivals lived in cities across the nation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is there something in between re-enactment and guided tours? Fifteen years ago I was a docent at The Tenement Museum in New York City.  Where else is the immigrant story celebrated&#8211;granted, a limited view of 19th &amp; early 20th century Germans, Jews, and Italians.  The building was not overly fixed&#8211;visitors saw bathtub in kitchen, toilets in halls.  As we crowded together, there was some reality to reality of too many bodies living, sleeping in shifts in tiny, airless rooms. </p>
<p>Short dramas were offered periodically to give a sense of family interactions that might have occurred.  Walking tours of the changing neighborhood were encouraged. In my dreams I imagine an iconic, genuine structure, one where early arrivals lived in cities across the nation.</p>
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		<title>By: Of Follow the North Star and Steal Away Jordan: Would You Play a Roleplaying Game Set During Slavery in the Antebellum South? &#171; SpeakEasy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Of Follow the North Star and Steal Away Jordan: Would You Play a Roleplaying Game Set During Slavery in the Antebellum South? &#171; SpeakEasy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 21:17:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] its relationship to structurally embedded relationships of power.To that point: Over the weekend I continued to meditate on the question of historical memory, tourism, and respect for our honored ancestors. During that [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] its relationship to structurally embedded relationships of power.To that point: Over the weekend I continued to meditate on the question of historical memory, tourism, and respect for our honored ancestors. During that [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Matt L</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Sep 2010 15:45:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I dunno. I personally don&#039;t see the appeal of living history, but I have sent on a student to do an MA program in public history with an emphasis in first person interpretation. I did get the sense from this student that both the &quot;dress-up and make believe&quot; and the research were integral parts of the experience. I think that the kinetic, tactile, and embodied parts of re-enacting can help some people learn some profound . Its clearly also a form of entertainment for some, a hobby for others, and a going commercial enterprise. But as a form of history and social memory, I don&#039;t think its any better or worse than the Stephen Ambrose, Doris Kerns-Goodwin, Shelby Foote practice of history (minus the icky plagiarism in the first two examples). 

My only concern [/open pearl clutching] is that this will be the only form of history in the future. I am not sure public universities are committed to history or other humanistic disciplines unless they have a clear vocational purpose. If thats the case then we will only be teaching history in a form that is digestible by school teachers and public history specialists. The academic practice of history will shrink to meet the needs of a few R I&#039;s and some tony private liberal arts colleges. [end pearl clutching/]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dunno. I personally don&#8217;t see the appeal of living history, but I have sent on a student to do an MA program in public history with an emphasis in first person interpretation. I did get the sense from this student that both the &#8220;dress-up and make believe&#8221; and the research were integral parts of the experience. I think that the kinetic, tactile, and embodied parts of re-enacting can help some people learn some profound . Its clearly also a form of entertainment for some, a hobby for others, and a going commercial enterprise. But as a form of history and social memory, I don&#8217;t think its any better or worse than the Stephen Ambrose, Doris Kerns-Goodwin, Shelby Foote practice of history (minus the icky plagiarism in the first two examples). </p>
<p>My only concern [/open pearl clutching] is that this will be the only form of history in the future. I am not sure public universities are committed to history or other humanistic disciplines unless they have a clear vocational purpose. If thats the case then we will only be teaching history in a form that is digestible by school teachers and public history specialists. The academic practice of history will shrink to meet the needs of a few R I&#8217;s and some tony private liberal arts colleges. [end pearl clutching/]</p>
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		<title>By: The Rebel Lettriste</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Rebel Lettriste</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Sep 2010 16:53:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One can actually recreate a journey on the Underground Railroad at a living history place in Indiana:

http://www.connerprairie.org/Plan-Your-Visit/Special-Events/Follow-the-North-Star.aspx

There&#039;s a great popular book from the &#039;90&#039;s on history, the American South, and Civil War re-enactments called &quot;Confederates in the Attic.&quot;  To be sure, it&#039;s all white people out there reenacting the Civil War; and it&#039;s mainly doods of a certain variety.  The best parts of the book were when the author tarried along on an overnight reenactment where the 15 or so members of a regiment slept on the ground and ALL SHARED THE SAME SINGLE WOOLEN BLANKET and vied for authenticity while eating moldy bacon.  Good times in the 19th c.!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One can actually recreate a journey on the Underground Railroad at a living history place in Indiana:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.connerprairie.org/Plan-Your-Visit/Special-Events/Follow-the-North-Star.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://www.connerprairie.org/Plan-Your-Visit/Special-Events/Follow-the-North-Star.aspx</a></p>
<p>There&#8217;s a great popular book from the &#8217;90&#8242;s on history, the American South, and Civil War re-enactments called &#8220;Confederates in the Attic.&#8221;  To be sure, it&#8217;s all white people out there reenacting the Civil War; and it&#8217;s mainly doods of a certain variety.  The best parts of the book were when the author tarried along on an overnight reenactment where the 15 or so members of a regiment slept on the ground and ALL SHARED THE SAME SINGLE WOOLEN BLANKET and vied for authenticity while eating moldy bacon.  Good times in the 19th c.!</p>
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		<title>By: rootlesscosmo</title>
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		<dc:creator>rootlesscosmo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Sep 2010 04:49:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think our culture has a bad conscience about commercialization, which it tries to relieve by (among other things) taking holidays in an imagined past.

I&#039;m not a historian, I&#039;m a musician. Starting about fifty years ago there was a wave of &quot;authentic&quot; performances of Baroque and Renaissance music, followed, when the term &quot;authentic&quot; was challenged, by a hasty retreat to &quot;historically informed performance practice;&quot; Richard Taruskin argues, persuasively I think, that the aesthetic is actually Modernist, and I&#039;d go further to say that unless we can recreate the Baroque audience, complete with its Baroque ideas and beliefs and experiences, we need to make even HIPP claims with caution. 

So I&#039;m surprised that such explosive material as slavery and genocide, and how to incorporate them in more or less &quot;authentic&quot; re-enactments, should be treated with what strikes me as casualness. I think sleeping in a slave cabin, like sitting in the electric chair at Huntsville Prison in Texas (yes, you can do this--bring the kids!), is both irredeemably false and offensively trivializing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think our culture has a bad conscience about commercialization, which it tries to relieve by (among other things) taking holidays in an imagined past.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not a historian, I&#8217;m a musician. Starting about fifty years ago there was a wave of &#8220;authentic&#8221; performances of Baroque and Renaissance music, followed, when the term &#8220;authentic&#8221; was challenged, by a hasty retreat to &#8220;historically informed performance practice;&#8221; Richard Taruskin argues, persuasively I think, that the aesthetic is actually Modernist, and I&#8217;d go further to say that unless we can recreate the Baroque audience, complete with its Baroque ideas and beliefs and experiences, we need to make even HIPP claims with caution. </p>
<p>So I&#8217;m surprised that such explosive material as slavery and genocide, and how to incorporate them in more or less &#8220;authentic&#8221; re-enactments, should be treated with what strikes me as casualness. I think sleeping in a slave cabin, like sitting in the electric chair at Huntsville Prison in Texas (yes, you can do this&#8211;bring the kids!), is both irredeemably false and offensively trivializing.</p>
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		<title>By: Jen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Sep 2010 22:38:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just as a point of clarification, Plimoth would not be able to show a public execution as they are set in 1627. The first execution to take place there was John Billington in 1630. But I do understand your point nonetheless :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just as a point of clarification, Plimoth would not be able to show a public execution as they are set in 1627. The first execution to take place there was John Billington in 1630. But I do understand your point nonetheless <img src='http://www.historiann.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Eileen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eileen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Sep 2010 19:16:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll fess up that reenacting was what got me interested enough in history to want to do a PhD.  I started out at 15 working at a village museum, and then worked at a couple of other museums in high school and college.  I finally started going with a couple of volunteer groups on my own, and the kinds of questions I was interested in as a result didn&#039;t seem to be talked about or written about.  So off to grad school (more or less).  And when I mention that I used to do reenactments to my students, I&#039;m always surprised by how many of them are involved in it--I think it gets people interested in history in ways that elementary school narratives don&#039;t.  

I&#039;ve seen the nostalgia trap that Meaghan mentioned, and while there&#039;s varying degrees of it everywhere, part of the concern is marketability, and not just of the nik-naks kind.  At one of the more authentic sites I worked for, we were thinking about staging a public execution, but the administration was concerned that it would hurt the site&#039;s reputation for family-friendliness.  We considered carding (ie, this part of the site is R rated) but it ultimately got nixed.  Even the most authenticity-conscious sites have budgets to think about.  All the places I worked were very concerned with balancing authenticity with number of visitors attracted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll fess up that reenacting was what got me interested enough in history to want to do a PhD.  I started out at 15 working at a village museum, and then worked at a couple of other museums in high school and college.  I finally started going with a couple of volunteer groups on my own, and the kinds of questions I was interested in as a result didn&#8217;t seem to be talked about or written about.  So off to grad school (more or less).  And when I mention that I used to do reenactments to my students, I&#8217;m always surprised by how many of them are involved in it&#8211;I think it gets people interested in history in ways that elementary school narratives don&#8217;t.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve seen the nostalgia trap that Meaghan mentioned, and while there&#8217;s varying degrees of it everywhere, part of the concern is marketability, and not just of the nik-naks kind.  At one of the more authentic sites I worked for, we were thinking about staging a public execution, but the administration was concerned that it would hurt the site&#8217;s reputation for family-friendliness.  We considered carding (ie, this part of the site is R rated) but it ultimately got nixed.  Even the most authenticity-conscious sites have budgets to think about.  All the places I worked were very concerned with balancing authenticity with number of visitors attracted.</p>
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		<title>By: Susan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Susan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Sep 2010 05:27:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I did my diss research in the UK, I ended up doing some teaching.  One of my students was older, and a re-enactor of the ENGLISH civil war.  Re-enacting had got him interested in history, sent him back to college to do A-levels and then to University.   And it could be quite interesting -- he&#039;d say, but you have to understand how HEAVY the clothes are,  and other such things.   

Reenactment is a way of reminding us all that history was in fact embodied.  Though the selective amnesia is amazing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I did my diss research in the UK, I ended up doing some teaching.  One of my students was older, and a re-enactor of the ENGLISH civil war.  Re-enacting had got him interested in history, sent him back to college to do A-levels and then to University.   And it could be quite interesting &#8212; he&#8217;d say, but you have to understand how HEAVY the clothes are,  and other such things.   </p>
<p>Reenactment is a way of reminding us all that history was in fact embodied.  Though the selective amnesia is amazing.</p>
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		<title>By: Comrade PhysioProf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Comrade PhysioProf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Sep 2010 02:56:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wanna chug gallons of meade.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wanna chug gallons of meade.</p>
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		<title>By: Janice</title>
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		<dc:creator>Janice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Sep 2010 00:23:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I used to be active in the Society for Creative Anachronism, which we described to people as &quot;recreating history but not exactly as it was.&quot; Some parts of the recreation experience can be very accurate and helpful -- a friend of mine, Darrell Markewitz, is just back from running a bog iron smelt at L&#039;Anse Aux Meadows where he, as a recreationist and smith, has set up a lot of their technological recreation: http://www.warehamforge.ca/ENCAMPMENT/index.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used to be active in the Society for Creative Anachronism, which we described to people as &#8220;recreating history but not exactly as it was.&#8221; Some parts of the recreation experience can be very accurate and helpful &#8212; a friend of mine, Darrell Markewitz, is just back from running a bog iron smelt at L&#8217;Anse Aux Meadows where he, as a recreationist and smith, has set up a lot of their technological recreation: <a href="http://www.warehamforge.ca/ENCAMPMENT/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.warehamforge.ca/ENCAMPMENT/index.html</a></p>
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