Comments on: Choquez le singe ce soir http://www.historiann.com/2010/09/02/choquez-le-singe-ce-soir/ History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present Sat, 20 Sep 2014 01:22:40 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.9.2 By: Russ http://www.historiann.com/2010/09/02/choquez-le-singe-ce-soir/comment-page-1/#comment-706242 Mon, 06 Sep 2010 06:58:40 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=12372#comment-706242 Hated that song in the 1980s, and still do. But I’ll take Your Eyes or Biko over anything (and everything) Lady Gaga’s done.

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By: Caitlin http://www.historiann.com/2010/09/02/choquez-le-singe-ce-soir/comment-page-1/#comment-706000 Sun, 05 Sep 2010 20:20:08 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=12372#comment-706000 Personally, I think “Games without Frontiers” is far more meaningful. Not only is Gabriel more insightful, but he manages to include a gorilla and the word “funky,” which is about as fun to say as “monkey.”

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By: Dr. Virago http://www.historiann.com/2010/09/02/choquez-le-singe-ce-soir/comment-page-1/#comment-705129 Sat, 04 Sep 2010 15:09:16 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=12372#comment-705129 I just want to say I love Dr. Crazy’s theory, but mainly because *I* think the word “monkey” is hilarious. Just last night, as we were fixing dinner, I said to Bullock, “Can we get a monkey?” just because it was fun to say. His outraged, “NO! We CAN’T get a monkey!” (because I’ve asked this before) was even funnier.

I am easily amused. Also, I don’t think I’ve commented here before, but I’ve been lurking for a long while. *waves* at Historiann.

I always thought the song was about going cold turkey (b/c of the expression “monkey on your back”) but I guess I was wrong.

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By: Dr. Koshary http://www.historiann.com/2010/09/02/choquez-le-singe-ce-soir/comment-page-1/#comment-705056 Sat, 04 Sep 2010 12:17:51 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=12372#comment-705056 Peter Gabriel did his level best to be very weird in his music videos — really, more so than in his music, which I suspect he thought was oh-so-avant-garde and bound to explode the heads of the complacent bourgeoisie. Looking back on those videos now, I feel like he only got good results from his directors and designers some of the time, and it had nothing to do with how much sense the lyrics made.

Sledgehammer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqyc37aOqT0

Steam
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyTLe7Li–s

Really, the best I can say for Gabriel’s video work is that he’s willing to throw just about anything on the metaphorical canvas and see if it sticks. The best I can say for his music is that he’s fiendishly good at writing catchy, hooky songs.

The worst I can say for him is that he bears some responsibility as an intellectual progenitor of spectacle-for-spectacle’s-sake music videos, a la Lady Gaga.

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By: Comrade PhysioProf http://www.historiann.com/2010/09/02/choquez-le-singe-ce-soir/comment-page-1/#comment-704560 Fri, 03 Sep 2010 19:03:23 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=12372#comment-704560 No! Well, ok, maybe.

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By: Historiann http://www.historiann.com/2010/09/02/choquez-le-singe-ce-soir/comment-page-1/#comment-704527 Fri, 03 Sep 2010 17:58:05 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=12372#comment-704527 Isn’t that what’s still on your mind, 25 years later?

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By: Comrade PhysioProf http://www.historiann.com/2010/09/02/choquez-le-singe-ce-soir/comment-page-1/#comment-704509 Fri, 03 Sep 2010 17:33:01 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=12372#comment-704509 Personally, what I was thinking in the 80s was:

(1) Who’s got the kind bud?

(2) Where’s the party?

(3) What’s your name?

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By: Western Dave http://www.historiann.com/2010/09/02/choquez-le-singe-ce-soir/comment-page-1/#comment-704033 Fri, 03 Sep 2010 00:05:44 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=12372#comment-704033 No, no, wait! It’s an homage to Donna Harraway!

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By: Historiann http://www.historiann.com/2010/09/02/choquez-le-singe-ce-soir/comment-page-1/#comment-703977 Thu, 02 Sep 2010 20:54:46 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=12372#comment-703977 Man versus man, man versus monkey, man versus. . . himself.

Or, it’s just funny to sing “SHOCK the MONKEY!” over and over and over. Especially if you sing SHOCK in that high voice, too.

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By: Western Dave http://www.historiann.com/2010/09/02/choquez-le-singe-ce-soir/comment-page-1/#comment-703959 Thu, 02 Sep 2010 20:21:06 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=12372#comment-703959 Actually, it’s more than about jealousy. At least with the video. Gabriel is pointing to his inner primate (or primitive). Office worker drone Gabriel is a monkey in a cage who, when “shocked” into seeing reality through the experience of authentic emotion is transformed. He withdraws from the jungle/cubicle world (note the transformation of the cubicle into a jungle) to the cleaner world of the neoprimitive heaven that tattooed Gabriel inhabits. The reawakening of the inner primate (emphasized by the shot where Gabriel’s shadow is a monkey in a tree) and the lyric about falling out of the tree is Gabriel’s attempt to recreate the evolutionary descent from the trees to the savannah (and thus the path to civilization) but this time on an indiviudal level and not wind up back in the office/jungle but on the higher plane. Note the romanticization of the primitive here as the anti-civilized that recreates the nature-culture split that plagues the Western self.

What you all didn’t go there? I thought everybody learned how to do this cultural studies shit in grad school in the 90s. Or is it just because I lived with the American Culture students for too long.

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