Comments on: And your music. . . it’s just noise! http://www.historiann.com/2010/08/22/and-your-music-its-just-noise/ History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present Thu, 25 Sep 2014 17:18:38 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.9.2 By: The Annals of Anxiety: Constructing Velcro Parents As A "Problem" For Higher Education - Tenured Radical - The Chronicle of Higher Education http://www.historiann.com/2010/08/22/and-your-music-its-just-noise/comment-page-1/#comment-842486 Sat, 25 Jun 2011 16:46:04 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=12232#comment-842486 [...] of criticisms are attached to warnings about cultural decline, and why. For example, our friend Historiann asks today why older people are always so critical of the young. Yeah, why is that? Particularly [...]

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By: (another) former academic http://www.historiann.com/2010/08/22/and-your-music-its-just-noise/comment-page-1/#comment-702190 Tue, 31 Aug 2010 09:07:59 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=12232#comment-702190 I love how the ‘golden age of way back when’ has smoothly shifted from the 1950s to the 1970s (previously known as ‘when jimmy carter ruined everything. also hippies’).

I’ve found it most often in the parenting literature. which is almost willfully blind to history.

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By: Leslie http://www.historiann.com/2010/08/22/and-your-music-its-just-noise/comment-page-1/#comment-697496 Wed, 25 Aug 2010 16:06:11 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=12232#comment-697496 “Although I officially qualify now as an old fart, I’ve been impressed (for the most part) by my students of the past decade. They do a lot more volunteer work than people of my generation, and they’re much more apt to be ”joiners” than we ever were.”

Yes.

Most of my students have part-time jobs as well, sometimes upwards of 20 hours/week, in addition to full course loads. Which does impact performance overall, but that’s a whole ‘nother story. (Last year wasn’t the first time the UC slammed students with big “fee” increases).

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By: Back in my day. . . : Historiann : History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present http://www.historiann.com/2010/08/22/and-your-music-its-just-noise/comment-page-1/#comment-697369 Wed, 25 Aug 2010 13:49:16 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=12232#comment-697369 [...] the spirit of all of the complaints about young people today, I present you with a guest post by Mrs. Norbert Thrummox (nee Delphine Brumley), my entirely [...]

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By: Grad Student http://www.historiann.com/2010/08/22/and-your-music-its-just-noise/comment-page-1/#comment-696648 Tue, 24 Aug 2010 18:16:44 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=12232#comment-696648 rustonite, I think you’re referring the the Rosy Retrospection bias.

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By: FrauTech http://www.historiann.com/2010/08/22/and-your-music-its-just-noise/comment-page-1/#comment-696629 Tue, 24 Aug 2010 17:06:55 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=12232#comment-696629 Great generation debate as always. I have to say these articles always smack of privilege to me. The privilege that parents can afford to go “drop off” their son/daughter at a college where gawd knows what the tuition is and you can bet room and board is a solid 10k+ a year.

I think privilege is more important than generation issues. My husband went to college local and lived at home (mostly b/c that’s what they could afford). His parents didn’t have any expectations of him moving out any time soon, though they expected him to work. He did end up moving out at 21, but they certainly didn’t care. Now his two younger half sisters are approaching college age. I hear grandiose expectations of them going “away” to college, even though no money’s been saved to pay for this. I expect at the time there will be trips to Target for dorm “necessities” and the parents will fly or drive out to drop the kids off. When my husband and I mention local, very fine universities, both the kids and the parents wrinkle their noses. Same parents, but more solidly middle class now a decade later. They’re a lot more invested in what the “college life” will be like for their kids, and have a lot higher expectations.

Kids staying at home with their parents due to economics or whatever is nothing new. Maybe moving out and leaving the family at 18 (thanks to WWII) was what was new, and now we’re seeing a return to more “traditional” ideas of family. I have a lot of friends going to grad school or bumming around on loan money because they CAN. If your parents aren’t at least lower middle class, you probably can’t get a loan. And even the (to me) low prices of a JC can seem exorbitant. Plenty of “kids” in the millenial generation started working at 16 to help support their family and might still be living at home and doing so because it makes more sense for them and their family, not because they are dependent. These articles seem to miss the countless Iraqi and Afghanistan veterans in my generation. Or the new class of police and firefighters working in their community for low wages and working a job plenty of the people who write these articles (Navarette I’m talking to you) would turn down. Yeah, I’m with Navarette at feeling frustration at the kid who turned down a 40k a year job (still not making that much, with almost two degrees and 10 years working). But when these articles focus on upper class and upper middle class kids that’s what you’re going to get. I wish more would focus on the less privileged kids whom we(read: they) seem to be forgetting.

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By: Historiann http://www.historiann.com/2010/08/22/and-your-music-its-just-noise/comment-page-1/#comment-695928 Mon, 23 Aug 2010 22:16:16 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=12232#comment-695928 What do you think this blog is, Kervorkian Services Ltd.?

The Salon article that ladysquires linked to above isn’t nearly as bad or obnoxious as the headline implies. The author, a baby boomer, is wistful that she didn’t have the same close relationship with her parents that today’s young people seem to have with their parents. She doesn’t seem to get why post-collegiate life is just more costly (health insurance and educational debt are MAJOR expenses if you’re unemployed) than it used to be.

I identify with her description of young adulthood–living in apartments or houses with roommates, eating a carb-o-rich diet of Ramen and beer. I do think that made me a better person–or at least, a more competent and confident person than I would have become otherwise. But that was affordable for me because of some invisible ties to my parents–I was on their health insurance until I was 24 (I believe), and I didn’t have to pay my ed loans until after grad school (deferrments). So the vaunted independence that some of us may boast of today might have been more complicated and under coverture than we like to remember.

You should all also see Tenured Radical today, if you haven’t yet already. (I know that some of you have.) As usual, she’s got the more inteleckshual approach compared to my attitude and snark.

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By: Comrade PhysioProf http://www.historiann.com/2010/08/22/and-your-music-its-just-noise/comment-page-1/#comment-695857 Mon, 23 Aug 2010 21:24:21 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=12232#comment-695857

The day I start giving a fuck about the NYT’s fatuous, self-indulgent, masturbatory attempts to write filler/commentary masquerading as social science reporting, I want you, Historiann, to find me and beat me to death with a copy of the English translation of Bourdieu’s Distinction.

Make that two of us. Fucke the fucken New Yorke Tymes. I wouldn’t even insult my fucken asse by wiping it with that piece of shitte fucken ragge.

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By: Matt L http://www.historiann.com/2010/08/22/and-your-music-its-just-noise/comment-page-1/#comment-695844 Mon, 23 Aug 2010 20:47:24 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=12232#comment-695844 I second both the Ramones and Husker Du.

I remember sitting in the living room of my apartment in Seattle in the 1990s reading that stupid Atlantic article about Generation X. I had the same response then as now: phoey!

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By: Indyanna http://www.historiann.com/2010/08/22/and-your-music-its-just-noise/comment-page-1/#comment-695820 Mon, 23 Aug 2010 19:43:40 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=12232#comment-695820 Hearkening back to Fratguy’s comment up top thread, could I put in a word for Husker Du here (can’t du umlaut…)?

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