Comments on: Sex and job satisfaction http://www.historiann.com/2010/07/12/sex-and-job-satisfaction/ History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present Fri, 26 Sep 2014 03:40:45 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.9.2 By: Grad Student http://www.historiann.com/2010/07/12/sex-and-job-satisfaction/comment-page-1/#comment-666972 Tue, 13 Jul 2010 19:15:40 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=11705#comment-666972 While I cannot compare to the humanities or hard sciences, my experience in a social science does reflect this. In my department there is little support for female scholars, a lot of woman-on-woman “fighting”, women’s work is less-valued, women get the less desired courses and time slots, women get less funding, etc., etc. It’s no wonder there are fewer female faculty–we get disillusioned as grad students and flee to the private sector.

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By: wini http://www.historiann.com/2010/07/12/sex-and-job-satisfaction/comment-page-1/#comment-666725 Tue, 13 Jul 2010 11:38:27 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=11705#comment-666725 According to this article on the Huffington post, there are almost no female professors anyway. No wonder we’re unsatisfied!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/07/12/how-satisfied-are-the-nat_n_643406.html

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By: Z http://www.historiann.com/2010/07/12/sex-and-job-satisfaction/comment-page-1/#comment-666617 Tue, 13 Jul 2010 04:28:41 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=11705#comment-666617 Well, maybe social sciences are more male dominated departments than humanities departments, and said social sciences men are more conservative? I have anecdotal evidence to this effect but no study.

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By: truffula http://www.historiann.com/2010/07/12/sex-and-job-satisfaction/comment-page-1/#comment-666405 Mon, 12 Jul 2010 20:48:39 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=11705#comment-666405 I’m quite unsure what to make of this report.

If you expect to get screwed a lot, and you only get screwed a little, you might rate your experience as okay. That is, I’m not sure how to evaluate the apparent differences across disciplines without knowing what expectations folks brought to their jobs. It’s also possible that folks in different disciplines are socialized differently with regard to gendered treatment and attitudes and thus interpret the same sorts of experiences in different ways.

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By: Comrade PhysioProf http://www.historiann.com/2010/07/12/sex-and-job-satisfaction/comment-page-1/#comment-666394 Mon, 12 Jul 2010 20:10:12 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=11705#comment-666394

research director of COACHE

Why the fuck do these fucking big program fuckwads always have to make up some stupid motherfucking smarmy pompous acronym for their stupid fucking big program? Jeezus fuck, that shit rubs me the wrong way.

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By: Janice http://www.historiann.com/2010/07/12/sex-and-job-satisfaction/comment-page-1/#comment-666365 Mon, 12 Jul 2010 19:18:49 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=11705#comment-666365 Historiann — I’m there with you on the whole “History shouldn’t be a Social Science” but with my institution celebrating a fiftieth anniversary, I chalk that up to the time in which it was created!

Anyway, getting back to the survey, I think it would be interesting (if impossible) to go back and follow up with definitions/experiences from the men and women as to what they understand by some of the following: “reasonableness of scholarship expectations for tenure; the way professors spend their time as faculty members; the number of hours they work as faculty members; the amount of time they have to conduct research; their ability to balance work and home responsibilities; and whether their institutions make raising children and the tenure track compatible.”

In other words, I expect that you’ll find in some areas, that men and women perceive and experience very different expectations. Are the women faculty members being put on more time-consuming committees (or asked to bring refreshments?) while the men are being strategically protected? That’s happened at some institutions.

Is a woman’s scholarship downgraded or minimized when it’s time for tenure review as compared to the work of a man? (I’d say this could also be true given the number of studies on “perceived worth” of men versus women when names are substituted on identical resumes/cvs.)

And don’t get me started on the whole work/life balance. Women are told, inside and outside of academe, that they are always doing it wrong or not well enough. They’re not enough of a woman for ‘their man’. They’re not good enough mothers if they don’t home-school and grow their own fresh produce and get their kids involved in exactly the right number of extracurriculars. And they’re certainly not good enough to get by dressing shabbily or carrying twenty pounds too many in terms of how they’re evaluated by society and peers. Is it surprising that women tend to come down on this across the board?

Look at the list of fields where women feel balancing their professional and personal lives are problematic and men don’t (at least not at the same rate): “Humanities; social sciences; biological sciences; visual and performing arts; engineering, computer science and mathematics; health and human ecology; agriculture, natural resources and environmental sciences; business; education; medical schools and health professions.”

What is NOT on that list? I can’t see anything missing.

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By: LadyProf http://www.historiann.com/2010/07/12/sex-and-job-satisfaction/comment-page-1/#comment-666358 Mon, 12 Jul 2010 19:09:29 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=11705#comment-666358 Freud probably thought he was talking about everyone, but his generalization has some pretty thick gender and class bias. You can interpret Arbeiten broadly and humanely if you like, but I think it has the connotation of labor/toil at least as much as exalted d00dly occupations. (I don’t want to go Godwin so won’t mention the slogan over the Auschwitz gate.) Both Lieben und Arbeiten contain oppressive aspects for the majority of the world’s people.

Anyway, back to the topic: I can’t say why working in the social sciences correlates with discontent among female assistant professors but I wonder whether bean-counting has something to do with it. The social sciences emphasize measurement, and if you’re trained to measure, you might be extra galled by the gender unfairness around you. And as the story pointed out, you don’t have the comfort of working in a lab, which eases isolation for people in the hard sciences.

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By: Historiann http://www.historiann.com/2010/07/12/sex-and-job-satisfaction/comment-page-1/#comment-666329 Mon, 12 Jul 2010 18:49:54 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=11705#comment-666329 I actually agree with Freud–I don’t *think* his advice was only for men. (But then I’m not a Freud historian.) Love and work (broadly defined) are necessary ingredients for happiness (broadly defined.) At least, they work for me, and it seems like the absence of either love or employment are major traumas for most adults.

Does anyone want to talk about why social scientists have such a large gender gap in their reletive job satisfaction ratings?

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By: Fratguy http://www.historiann.com/2010/07/12/sex-and-job-satisfaction/comment-page-1/#comment-666286 Mon, 12 Jul 2010 18:24:20 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=11705#comment-666286 True enough, I guess I would be have pressed to call Larry David “well adjusted”, apologies for the thread-jack.

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By: LadyProf http://www.historiann.com/2010/07/12/sex-and-job-satisfaction/comment-page-1/#comment-666282 Mon, 12 Jul 2010 18:04:38 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=11705#comment-666282 Funny how it’s d00dz who claim that “work” (i.e. the privileged kind) and “love” (i.e. access to subordinate sex partners who focus on their needs) are indispensable to happiness.

Can’t have those wimmenz thinking that they can do without “work” (the unprivileged toil kind) and “love” (ditto, sometimes).

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