Comments on: When is ambition “disloyalty?” http://www.historiann.com/2010/06/16/when-is-ambition-disloyalty/ History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present Tue, 23 Sep 2014 02:57:30 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.9.2 By: Summer is ready when you are : Historiann : History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present http://www.historiann.com/2010/06/16/when-is-ambition-disloyalty/comment-page-1/#comment-648086 Sun, 20 Jun 2010 14:49:28 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=11363#comment-648086 [...] the meantime–Roxie has a great post up in response to my posts about institutional loyalty this week.  Go check her out–the crafty terrier makes the case for [...]

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By: Another Damned Medievalist http://www.historiann.com/2010/06/16/when-is-ambition-disloyalty/comment-page-1/#comment-646080 Fri, 18 Jun 2010 05:02:43 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=11363#comment-646080 and again, I feel lucky to be at SLAC, where I can walk into my Dean’s office and tell him that there is a really good job and I might apply for it. Of course, this is a dean that once told me he liked it when his faculty were keeping an eye on the market because it was smart and because it meant that they were also making sure they were staying productive!

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By: Further thoughts on loyalty : Historiann : History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present http://www.historiann.com/2010/06/16/when-is-ambition-disloyalty/comment-page-1/#comment-645579 Thu, 17 Jun 2010 16:40:41 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=11363#comment-645579 [...] post about extramural job seeking  and institutional loyalty and your comments have got me thinking.  (Oh, noes!  Say it ain’t so, Historiann!)  Do we [...]

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By: Lance http://www.historiann.com/2010/06/16/when-is-ambition-disloyalty/comment-page-1/#comment-645371 Thu, 17 Jun 2010 12:04:23 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=11363#comment-645371 TR’s approach is the right one – and it suggests a generous view of what this moment can mean. Instead of walling off someone and accusing them of disloyalty, it is much better to simply ask, “so what would it take to keep you here?” A job offer somewhere else can serve as an opportunity to reconnect with your present institution, to claim a new role, or to acquire the resources you need to move forward with your own work, or your own efforts at institution building. It sure worked that way for me. Also, asking that basic, kind question ensures that you don’t end up looking like a pathetic moron (WTF, Rosser?!) on Historiann’s blog.

To answer H-Ann’s initial query, though, I think (as perhaps we all do here) that ambition becomes disloyalty whenever it is gendered female, or marked as racially distinctive. I’ve never seen a white dude have to apologize for exploring an opportunity somewhere else, though weirdly, I have seen white dudes who refuse to look outside of their home turf for opportunity called meek. All sorts of domestic metaphors in play here, no?

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By: LadyProf http://www.historiann.com/2010/06/16/when-is-ambition-disloyalty/comment-page-1/#comment-645056 Thu, 17 Jun 2010 04:40:15 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=11363#comment-645056 Anecdata: As I’ve mentioned before in this space, I changed jobs when my salary was low and the uni wouldn’t raise it. Whereupon my move was spun as ‘selfish’ and also, of course, vaguely ‘crazy,’ because geographic location #2 was in most respects inferior to geographic location #1. As if anyone could find a higher-paying job that was completely better in all respects.

The idea that individuals act to improve their own personal circumstances still doesn’t apply to women, who are regarded as property, the instruments of others. I imagine Cardoza’s plans for herself sincerely shocked Rossiter. It’s as if your toaster decided you’d placed it on the wrong side of the counter, too close to the oven for its comfort, and tried to move itself to the cooler side of your kitchen.

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By: shaz http://www.historiann.com/2010/06/16/when-is-ambition-disloyalty/comment-page-1/#comment-644944 Thu, 17 Jun 2010 03:10:23 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=11363#comment-644944 I’ve seen a (male) search candidate for a high adminsitrative position say that he didn’t want to give a public presentation to the faculty (as all candidates were doing) or meet with any of them because then it would be known that he had applied for this job. He only wanted it public if he got the job. Strangely enough, the (senior male) members of the committee wanted to go along with this, and have only the other two (female) candidates give public presentations. Fortunately, this didn’t happen (and he wasn’t hired).

Personally, I’ve received nothing but support re: another job offer. My chair’s first question was: “What isn’t making you happy here and what can we do about it?” And then she listened to my answer. She was a very good chair.

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By: wini http://www.historiann.com/2010/06/16/when-is-ambition-disloyalty/comment-page-1/#comment-644882 Thu, 17 Jun 2010 01:55:56 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=11363#comment-644882 On the one hand, one of the many things that caused my grad program to go into receivership was when my male adviser interviewed for the TT job I have right now. The powers that be couldn’t deal with his disloyalty. On the plus side, his insider knowledge really helped me on my interview!

On the other hand, in the academy as a whole, this is one of the many things that results in female professor’s considerably lower salaries at most institutions. Women correctly perceive that they will be punished for seeking out career advancement, something that happens much less frequently to their male colleagues.

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By: Historiann http://www.historiann.com/2010/06/16/when-is-ambition-disloyalty/comment-page-1/#comment-644838 Thu, 17 Jun 2010 01:11:17 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=11363#comment-644838 Z–who knew? I thought I had it bad, but I guess my arrogance led me to believe I’d get another job offer. (Pretty dumb, in retrospect.)

Is Cardoza’s experience more typical than exceptional? I’ve always chalked up most whinging about being “outed” as on the market as just whinging.

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By: Z http://www.historiann.com/2010/06/16/when-is-ambition-disloyalty/comment-page-1/#comment-644833 Thu, 17 Jun 2010 01:07:47 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=11363#comment-644833 Re Tenured Radical’s experience — I’ve had it, too. Another time the search was very public (sunshine laws and all) and it was speculated that the reason we didn’t get better candidates (including candidates that had jobs) was that people didn’t want their employers to know they were testing the waters.

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By: Comrade PhysioProf http://www.historiann.com/2010/06/16/when-is-ambition-disloyalty/comment-page-1/#comment-644809 Thu, 17 Jun 2010 00:27:52 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=11363#comment-644809 Duuude, people on ludes should not run Cal State campuses.

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