Comments on: The man question http://www.historiann.com/2010/06/15/the-man-question/ History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present Fri, 26 Sep 2014 03:40:45 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.9.2 By: LadyProf http://www.historiann.com/2010/06/15/the-man-question/comment-page-1/#comment-645061 Thu, 17 Jun 2010 04:49:30 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=11353#comment-645061 Some years ago my sister was riding Amtrak from New York to Boston and reading the Atlantic. A blue-haired matron, looking very much a Daughter of the American Revolution, waved her hand toward the cover.
Matron: Do you like it?
My sister (startled): Yeah. Um, I guess so.
Matron: The Atlantic is a white supremacist magazine.
I’ve never taken it seriously since then.

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By: Z http://www.historiann.com/2010/06/15/the-man-question/comment-page-1/#comment-644851 Thu, 17 Jun 2010 01:26:03 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=11353#comment-644851 This “evolutionary psychology” comes straight from misogynist self help manuals and some of these “researchers” don’t have real research training or degrees. However, remember cultural feminism and Carol Gilligan, _In A Different Voice_? That’s similarly problematic, I always found.

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By: Canuck Down South http://www.historiann.com/2010/06/15/the-man-question/comment-page-1/#comment-644659 Wed, 16 Jun 2010 19:06:45 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=11353#comment-644659 It is pretty frustrating that as prominent an organization as the Colbert Report highlighted the article without doing any of his usual critique of it. If you’re on a hunt for a variety of Rosin pieces, check out the one she did on transgendered children about a year ago–it was one of the better ones I’ve seen with her name on it. She seems to be a hit-or-miss writer.

In response to “a reader”–I sympathize with your concern about “The Atlantic.” It’s nice to know I’m not the only one who has doubts about its quality national magazine. About 3 months ago I received an offer for a $10 subscription to it. I read a couple of short pieces online and decided that it was worth a try for $10. The first issue had a really interesting front cover piece about the cultural problems of elder care, but the last two haven’t had much worth reading. In the current issue, Rosin’s piece isn’t even the one that irritates me the most–if you feel the need to lose a few brain cells, check out the essay by Sandra Tsing Loh towards the end. It contains such let-’em-eat-cake gems as insight into how she’s learned to love housework, because since her divorce/buying a huge house she can’t pay someone else to do it anymore…I chucked the magazine across the room. I won’t be renewing my subscription.

Anyway, sorry for derailing the thread, Historiann…I’ll go back to lurking now. Thanks for posting the critique of Rosin’s piece by Eichne.

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By: Historiann http://www.historiann.com/2010/06/15/the-man-question/comment-page-1/#comment-644650 Wed, 16 Jun 2010 19:02:11 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=11353#comment-644650 Heh. I’d see a copy of the Atlantic every once in a while back in the early 90s, and I started calling it the magazine for pseudo-intellectual middle-aged men. That’s all the writers that wrote for the mag. They rarely if ever featured women writers, but as you point out, who would want to author that kind of crap?

Unfortunately, every other “serious” magazine seems to be following the lead of The Atlantic Monthly in only publishing dudealicious dudely doodz news and views. (Oh, plus Caitlyn Flanagan–but then, maybe Rosin has been informed that she’d better conform to Flanagan’s style if she wants to sell another article.)

I have approved of Sandra Tsing Loh’s car crashy hot mess of marriage and motherhood published in the past year or so in the mag, however.

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By: a reader http://www.historiann.com/2010/06/15/the-man-question/comment-page-1/#comment-644529 Wed, 16 Jun 2010 16:39:16 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=11353#comment-644529 I was annoyed until I saw that the magazine in question is The Atlantic, which for some reason doesn’t have the bad reputation it richly deserves for publishing lengthy, pontificating nonsense. One of my favorites, from around 1998, was a cover story called “Russia is Finished” — seven years after the fall of the USSR, the country had irreversibly declined into political and economic powerlessness, never to rise again. Whenever I see any kind of doom prophesied in the Atlantic, I cheer up, because it’s almost certainly wrong! And while I know this link has made the rounds, here is further evidence of their commitment to quality journalism

It’s interesting, the Atlantic style of badness: a particularly severe and ponderous glibness, as though its slightly marginal position among U.S. periodicals gives its writers license to sprawl into unchecked, clueless melancholy universalism.

Thanks for letting me rant here; I know it’s a bit of a derail.

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By: Historiann http://www.historiann.com/2010/06/15/the-man-question/comment-page-1/#comment-644391 Wed, 16 Jun 2010 13:39:55 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=11353#comment-644391 Perpetua–do you have a title and/or a link to the article about how she loves her husband more than her kids? (Are you perhaps confusing her with Ayelet Waldman, who made quite a splash a few years ago by saying that in the NYT?)

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By: Perpetua http://www.historiann.com/2010/06/15/the-man-question/comment-page-1/#comment-644384 Wed, 16 Jun 2010 13:34:45 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=11353#comment-644384 I have to say I’m not surprised by Rosin’s latest piece. I have to be blunt and say that I dislike her work intensely. I’ve read three by her now, and I’ve found the whole oeuvre to be painted with the same brush – smug, glib, and intellectually lazy (as Echidne notes). From the essay on how she loves her husband more than her children to the one on breastfeeding to this one, my impression has consistently been that she picks topics about which there is a critique – perhaps even a feminist critique – to be made, but it’s done this slick ready-for-NYT-style-section tone that has the effect of preventing a substantial nuanced discussion. She writes “controversial” pieces that get published (by the magazines and newspapers who demonstrate zero commitment to any kind of feminist thought or real conversation about women’s issues), and that’s the extent of her intellectual commitment to any of these subjects. I think Historiann is right – it seems like Rosin is making an argument about the advent of “matriarchy” but there isn’t anything feminist (or serious or historically accurate) about her presentation; thus the article gives the impression of an effort to create gender panic, since that’s everyone’s favorite topic now that we’re in a “mancession”. Displacement of men of course being the problem extraordinaire of the postfeminist world.

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By: Historiann http://www.historiann.com/2010/06/15/the-man-question/comment-page-1/#comment-643981 Wed, 16 Jun 2010 04:26:50 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=11353#comment-643981 Thanks for the tip, Canuck–I’ll see if I can find a clip. How interesting that she’s getting so much attention for her prediction that it’s the “end of men.” (Barf.)

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By: Canuck Down South http://www.historiann.com/2010/06/15/the-man-question/comment-page-1/#comment-643979 Wed, 16 Jun 2010 04:25:36 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=11353#comment-643979 She was on the Colbert Report tonight–with more of the same over-simplified generalizations. It’ll probably be online tomorrow.

She’s often, as you point out, a fairly interesting writer–I have no idea where this came from.

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By: Historiann http://www.historiann.com/2010/06/15/the-man-question/comment-page-1/#comment-643970 Wed, 16 Jun 2010 04:13:49 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=11353#comment-643970 Jane Hull? Yegads. I guess attention to detail is not part of her M.O. Good instincts, widgeon.

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