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		<title>By: MAY</title>
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		<dc:creator>MAY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 May 2013 14:19:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I bought my own Barbie with my own money at age 12. The first doll I had was a baby doll until we moved at age 5. We were poor.  I had been given dolls until age 12.  and a bag of cheap miniture plastic figures formed onto thin plastic base for standing on flat surfaces.  When I bought Barbie by myself and on my own, my parents told me that dolls were only for girls and homosexuals.  They destroyed it. Their arguments did not have validity with my behavior or gender.  I had no sisters.  Therefore, I was not influenced by bias.  My desire was to be a boyfriend or dad in replication of my gender role.  I was attracted to Barbie and not my GI Joe.  THAT is a heterosexual and not a homosexual response. It made me become an avid collector.  For everyone they destroyed, I bought one or more.  I also burned two in my life to prove my masculinity to myself.  I threw some out in public places to observe the response of males and females to them. Both sexes destroyed them.  The female adults were not as destructive as the males.  I never had but three stuffed animals ever. I realized that if I loved them, auch actions were not needed to prove my sexual identity or masculinity.  Barbie meant more to me because they cost me my time and money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I bought my own Barbie with my own money at age 12. The first doll I had was a baby doll until we moved at age 5. We were poor.  I had been given dolls until age 12.  and a bag of cheap miniture plastic figures formed onto thin plastic base for standing on flat surfaces.  When I bought Barbie by myself and on my own, my parents told me that dolls were only for girls and homosexuals.  They destroyed it. Their arguments did not have validity with my behavior or gender.  I had no sisters.  Therefore, I was not influenced by bias.  My desire was to be a boyfriend or dad in replication of my gender role.  I was attracted to Barbie and not my GI Joe.  THAT is a heterosexual and not a homosexual response. It made me become an avid collector.  For everyone they destroyed, I bought one or more.  I also burned two in my life to prove my masculinity to myself.  I threw some out in public places to observe the response of males and females to them. Both sexes destroyed them.  The female adults were not as destructive as the males.  I never had but three stuffed animals ever. I realized that if I loved them, auch actions were not needed to prove my sexual identity or masculinity.  Barbie meant more to me because they cost me my time and money.</p>
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		<title>By: dramachick</title>
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		<dc:creator>dramachick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2013 22:07:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see no sinister meaning in this. Very young children are the ones who bring their dolls everywhere. Very young children are forgetful and have many other toys to distract them. If they are truly upset by the loss of a toy  it is far easier for parents to purchase a new one and either admit that it&#039;s new or pretend the old one has been found. 

In my experience stuffed animals are encouraged to be left inside, partly because they get filthy much more easily but also because they mean so much more to the child. Stuffed animals are seen as pets by children whereas dolls are recognized as toys. This is why dolls are constantly evolving, baby dolls gain new features to make them more lifelike while barbies and Bratz get new outfits accessories and dwellings. 

A friends mother recently purchased her daughter &quot;Novi Stars&quot;: Dolls that sing, light up, can be taken apart and come in shades of clue and green. (I think they are alien rockstars?) As I grow older grown-up dolls get stranger while baby dolls creep towards the uncanny valley. Stuffed animals however have hardly changed. This is because a doll will not keep a child&#039;s interest long. 

Children recognize that these tiny humanoids are merely reproductions of the people they see in the world. No matter how cleverly made they are lifeless hunks of plastic. Stuffed animals on the other hand can easily become &quot;real&quot; As a child I never loved any of my dolls. barbies were kept in a drawer, packed together like human sardines, baby dolls were kept in a toy chest. I took meticulous care of my stuffed animals though, arranging them on shelves so they could all see and breathe. 

I would never have dreamed of hurting one of my animals, but because I recognized the dolls as toys I felt quite comfortable treating them any way I wished to. My antics were constricted to haircuts and terrible clothing choices, clothes made out of tissues and toilet paper, or no clothes at all. I had a kitten who saw my barbies as toys and delighted in pulling off their heads. and nibbling at arms and legs. I found this endlessly amusing as a child and would give him my least favorite barbies to play with. 

By contrast I also had a dog who would come into my room at night and take any animals that had fallen from the shelves to be his chewtoys. I would find them covered in slobber the next morning sometimes leaking stuffing from small holes. I would angrily scold the dog and wash them off. If there were any injuries I would cry and insist my mother drop what she was doing to sew them up IMMEDIATELY. I treated the animals as though they were bleeding to death in my arms, yet paid no attention to the barbie heads I saw beside them.  

I think you would be hard-pressed to find a child who &quot;loved&quot; a certain doll. It is difficult to believe that these humanoids are real, so children do not form the same emotional bonds as they do with stuffed animals. The dolls you find have been treated with carelessness and human curiosity, not malice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see no sinister meaning in this. Very young children are the ones who bring their dolls everywhere. Very young children are forgetful and have many other toys to distract them. If they are truly upset by the loss of a toy  it is far easier for parents to purchase a new one and either admit that it&#8217;s new or pretend the old one has been found. </p>
<p>In my experience stuffed animals are encouraged to be left inside, partly because they get filthy much more easily but also because they mean so much more to the child. Stuffed animals are seen as pets by children whereas dolls are recognized as toys. This is why dolls are constantly evolving, baby dolls gain new features to make them more lifelike while barbies and Bratz get new outfits accessories and dwellings. </p>
<p>A friends mother recently purchased her daughter &#8220;Novi Stars&#8221;: Dolls that sing, light up, can be taken apart and come in shades of clue and green. (I think they are alien rockstars?) As I grow older grown-up dolls get stranger while baby dolls creep towards the uncanny valley. Stuffed animals however have hardly changed. This is because a doll will not keep a child&#8217;s interest long. </p>
<p>Children recognize that these tiny humanoids are merely reproductions of the people they see in the world. No matter how cleverly made they are lifeless hunks of plastic. Stuffed animals on the other hand can easily become &#8220;real&#8221; As a child I never loved any of my dolls. barbies were kept in a drawer, packed together like human sardines, baby dolls were kept in a toy chest. I took meticulous care of my stuffed animals though, arranging them on shelves so they could all see and breathe. </p>
<p>I would never have dreamed of hurting one of my animals, but because I recognized the dolls as toys I felt quite comfortable treating them any way I wished to. My antics were constricted to haircuts and terrible clothing choices, clothes made out of tissues and toilet paper, or no clothes at all. I had a kitten who saw my barbies as toys and delighted in pulling off their heads. and nibbling at arms and legs. I found this endlessly amusing as a child and would give him my least favorite barbies to play with. </p>
<p>By contrast I also had a dog who would come into my room at night and take any animals that had fallen from the shelves to be his chewtoys. I would find them covered in slobber the next morning sometimes leaking stuffing from small holes. I would angrily scold the dog and wash them off. If there were any injuries I would cry and insist my mother drop what she was doing to sew them up IMMEDIATELY. I treated the animals as though they were bleeding to death in my arms, yet paid no attention to the barbie heads I saw beside them.  </p>
<p>I think you would be hard-pressed to find a child who &#8220;loved&#8221; a certain doll. It is difficult to believe that these humanoids are real, so children do not form the same emotional bonds as they do with stuffed animals. The dolls you find have been treated with carelessness and human curiosity, not malice.</p>
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		<title>By: Mudwoman in Virginia? : Historiann : History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mudwoman in Virginia? : Historiann : History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2012 14:19:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] story clearly shows that Oates clearly shares my fascination with creepy dolls and sees them as proxies for female disposibility and worthlessness, [...]</description>
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		<title>By: squadratomagico &#187; Blog Archive &#187; a few words on gender politics at bm</title>
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		<dc:creator>squadratomagico &#187; Blog Archive &#187; a few words on gender politics at bm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Sep 2010 19:26:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] camp dedicated to the festive mutilation, torture, dismemberment, and execution of barbie dolls. Historiann has suggested that violence against female dolls might bear a relationship to fantasies of violence [...]</description>
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		<title>By: RequiesCat In Pace : Historiann : History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present</title>
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		<dc:creator>RequiesCat In Pace : Historiann : History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jun 2010 21:33:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] in the mint pot on the left that looks like it was designed to be a dog&#8217;s chew toy, too.  Naked Barbie-like doll, doll in the homemade dress, and creepy doll head are all standing guard over my mint, parsley, sage, catnip, and lavender.  [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Western Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Western Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jun 2010 18:49:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry to come back to this so late, but I just remembered why none of my action figures made it the point where they could be passed on to my children (unlike the box labeled &quot;Barbie crap&quot; that started with my wife, went to her sister, then to cousins, and may be coming back to us this summer for my daughter).  While I don&#039;t want to divulge details, there were firecrackers involved.  And sometimes bottle rockets.  Or lighters.  Sometimes this had to do with the special effects for the stop motion animation movies my friends and I made in Jr. High.  But most of the time not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry to come back to this so late, but I just remembered why none of my action figures made it the point where they could be passed on to my children (unlike the box labeled &#8220;Barbie crap&#8221; that started with my wife, went to her sister, then to cousins, and may be coming back to us this summer for my daughter).  While I don&#8217;t want to divulge details, there were firecrackers involved.  And sometimes bottle rockets.  Or lighters.  Sometimes this had to do with the special effects for the stop motion animation movies my friends and I made in Jr. High.  But most of the time not.</p>
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		<title>By: Violence against dolls and women : Historiann : History and sexual &#8230; &#171; Women Media Watch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Violence against dolls and women : Historiann : History and sexual &#8230; &#171; Women Media Watch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jun 2010 20:33:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Lance</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jun 2010 09:41:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My daughter (4) has a thing for dolls - whatever that means - and plays with them endlessly, and often while she is by herself.  All are dutifully and safely kept.  Each day, she stages a different social event, engaging everyone from She-Hulk to Strawberry Shortcake.  If she ever lost one, she would be absolutely crushed.  Now, if that ever happens, I can tell her that H-Ann, the legendary critic, has a special garden for lost dolls, where they dwell in peace and fulfillment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My daughter (4) has a thing for dolls &#8211; whatever that means &#8211; and plays with them endlessly, and often while she is by herself.  All are dutifully and safely kept.  Each day, she stages a different social event, engaging everyone from She-Hulk to Strawberry Shortcake.  If she ever lost one, she would be absolutely crushed.  Now, if that ever happens, I can tell her that H-Ann, the legendary critic, has a special garden for lost dolls, where they dwell in peace and fulfillment.</p>
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		<title>By: Mamie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mamie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jun 2010 20:48:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clothes.  Girl dolls get better clothes.  And more abundant and variable clothes. That&#039;s one of the main reasons girl people like girl dolls. 

I come from the era when Barbie was slutty-looking, not cheerful and smiling.  My mother wouldn&#039;t let us have Barbies because they were &quot;too sexy.&quot; We had Tammy dolls.  They didn&#039;t wear heavy eyeliner, and they didn&#039;t have enormous pointy breasts.  Which means they didn&#039;t really do justice to the endless stream of Barbie clothes my grandmother (NOT my mother&#039;s mother) sewed and crocheted for us. 

I don&#039;t believe Tammy had a boyfriend like Ken.  Perhaps she wasn&#039;t wearing enough eyeliner.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clothes.  Girl dolls get better clothes.  And more abundant and variable clothes. That&#8217;s one of the main reasons girl people like girl dolls. </p>
<p>I come from the era when Barbie was slutty-looking, not cheerful and smiling.  My mother wouldn&#8217;t let us have Barbies because they were &#8220;too sexy.&#8221; We had Tammy dolls.  They didn&#8217;t wear heavy eyeliner, and they didn&#8217;t have enormous pointy breasts.  Which means they didn&#8217;t really do justice to the endless stream of Barbie clothes my grandmother (NOT my mother&#8217;s mother) sewed and crocheted for us. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t believe Tammy had a boyfriend like Ken.  Perhaps she wasn&#8217;t wearing enough eyeliner.</p>
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		<title>By: Aishlin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aishlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jun 2010 20:14:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(Also coming out of lurkerdom) I agree with Koop that the ratio of female dolls to male ones is probably why you only find female ones on the side of the road, but I do wonder if female dolls lend themselves to mutilation more than male dolls do.  Action figures are designed to be just that; they generally aren&#039;t that distinct from one another visually and they&#039;re meant to be played with by being inserted in action-packed storylines.  Barbies come in themes but those themes are simple and expressed in their entirety in the dolls&#039; outfits and accessories.  Their designs and the way they&#039;re marketed always draw attention back to the dolls&#039; bodies and don&#039;t really encourage children to make up stories for them.  Kids are usually pretty creative and will make up stories for their Barbies anyway, but I wonder if the tendency to rip the dolls up comes in part from a frustration at not knowing what else to do with them.  

Also, Barbies look like they were designed as separate pieces -I don&#039;t mean their physical construction but the way there&#039;s clearly a &#039;pointy breast&#039; part, a &#039;skinny waist&#039; part, etc, that don&#039;t make sense together from a biological standpoint, as if the designer was just going through a checklist of attractive body parts, and also the way bits of the doll change depending on the theme, while the basic outline of the body stays the same.  If the doll doesn&#039;t look like she&#039;s supposed to have a stable, cohesive body or a unique identity anyway, it&#039;s not as big a deal to physically decapitate her.  I didn&#039;t think about it that way as a kid, but I think I sensed it on some level.  And, for what it&#039;s worth, I never made up personalities for my Barbies or felt compassion for them.  I loved my stuffed animals, but I always felt sort of angry at the Barbies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(Also coming out of lurkerdom) I agree with Koop that the ratio of female dolls to male ones is probably why you only find female ones on the side of the road, but I do wonder if female dolls lend themselves to mutilation more than male dolls do.  Action figures are designed to be just that; they generally aren&#8217;t that distinct from one another visually and they&#8217;re meant to be played with by being inserted in action-packed storylines.  Barbies come in themes but those themes are simple and expressed in their entirety in the dolls&#8217; outfits and accessories.  Their designs and the way they&#8217;re marketed always draw attention back to the dolls&#8217; bodies and don&#8217;t really encourage children to make up stories for them.  Kids are usually pretty creative and will make up stories for their Barbies anyway, but I wonder if the tendency to rip the dolls up comes in part from a frustration at not knowing what else to do with them.  </p>
<p>Also, Barbies look like they were designed as separate pieces -I don&#8217;t mean their physical construction but the way there&#8217;s clearly a &#8216;pointy breast&#8217; part, a &#8216;skinny waist&#8217; part, etc, that don&#8217;t make sense together from a biological standpoint, as if the designer was just going through a checklist of attractive body parts, and also the way bits of the doll change depending on the theme, while the basic outline of the body stays the same.  If the doll doesn&#8217;t look like she&#8217;s supposed to have a stable, cohesive body or a unique identity anyway, it&#8217;s not as big a deal to physically decapitate her.  I didn&#8217;t think about it that way as a kid, but I think I sensed it on some level.  And, for what it&#8217;s worth, I never made up personalities for my Barbies or felt compassion for them.  I loved my stuffed animals, but I always felt sort of angry at the Barbies.</p>
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