Comments on: Thursday round-up: fired up and ready to go edition! http://www.historiann.com/2010/06/03/thursday-round-up-fired-up-and-ready-to-go-edition/ History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present Sun, 21 Sep 2014 11:42:55 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.9.2 By: Rad Readr http://www.historiann.com/2010/06/03/thursday-round-up-fired-up-and-ready-to-go-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-634123 Sat, 05 Jun 2010 14:06:09 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=11261#comment-634123 @Historiann – The associate bulge sounds familiar (and not just in my midsection); at my u that means associates are increasingly pushed to do full-type service, including chairing major depts. It also means that a good number of people are kind of stuck at the associate bulge, unable to finish the second book, which is required. There may be some departmental culture issues at work here — and speaking of privilege, when brilliance counts more than publication (or perhaps I should say the rhetoric of brilliance) faculty productivity goes down.

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By: Comrade PhysioProf http://www.historiann.com/2010/06/03/thursday-round-up-fired-up-and-ready-to-go-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-633591 Fri, 04 Jun 2010 21:36:34 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=11261#comment-633591 I loved turning forty. It was definitely the beginning of the “Who gives a fuck?” stage of my life, and I am totally fucking enjoying it.

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By: John S. http://www.historiann.com/2010/06/03/thursday-round-up-fired-up-and-ready-to-go-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-633503 Fri, 04 Jun 2010 19:01:09 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=11261#comment-633503 To possibly pile on: I found the Nouri piece completely and totally bizarre. Tenure requirements are rarely in black and white? It’s a little different at our state school, where the book requirement for tenure is explicitly stated: if you don’t get a book in press by the time the time limit is up, you hit the bricks. (Of course, it needs be a quality book–but the book requirement is strict.)

Of course, we have a set timeline for full professor as well–a requirement that is increasingly true at many universities, as I gather. And here, too, the requirements are fairly clear–a book is the general standard. (Here there’s more fudging around the edges.) Who do I think I am coming up for full professor within a few years of tenure? I think I am someone follow the guidelines laid out by my university.

Moreover, does the author really not know that a non-trivial number of academics (I can think of many historians, for instance) parlay an outside job offer into a promotion to full? It doesn’t always work, to be sure. But please–to pretend that promotion isn’t sometimes a game of hardball negotiation and chicken reflects a remarkable naivete (or something). I’m glad Prof Nouri is waiting to come up for full when he’s earned it; I’ll give him the number of a friend of mine who parlayed an outside offer into a sweet promotion and raise and maybe s/he will pick up the dinner tab when they hang out.

(And is it me, or did others wonder about this: what’s up with the italics?)

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By: Indyanna http://www.historiann.com/2010/06/03/thursday-round-up-fired-up-and-ready-to-go-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-633475 Fri, 04 Jun 2010 17:45:08 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=11261#comment-633475 I basically agree with Tom. I commented first time without clicking on the link. Having done so, the piece has a sort of weird combination of callowness and magisteriality that doesn’t seem to fit together very well. I would renew my suggestion, however, that we consider pruning away a lot of this ancien-courtly titularity that implies the honorific without much attention to the (non)differentiation of functions.

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By: Tom http://www.historiann.com/2010/06/03/thursday-round-up-fired-up-and-ready-to-go-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-633395 Fri, 04 Jun 2010 15:42:17 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=11261#comment-633395 Without reading the Nouri essay, it sure seems like his point is that “full professor” is both a job title and some kind of mystical mode of being. I’ll just point out that is it possible to have a real impact in one’s field, wide publications, respect of colleagues at institutions in this country and abroad, do substantial service at one’s own institution as well as with institutions like the NEH, and all the other things that go (I suspect) with the “idea” of a “full professor” and still have a different job title like, say, “Teaching Assistant Professor.”

What a romantic view to be able to imagine that what one is and what one’s job title is ought to be in alignment somehow, and that one should make decisions about one’s career simply to ensure that they are! It’s the flip side of thinking that folks who get jobs in academia do so because they deserve them.

When those who hire and fire see things in terms of deserving and ensuring a match between qualifications and job title, then we can talk, maybe.

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By: Feminist Avatar http://www.historiann.com/2010/06/03/thursday-round-up-fired-up-and-ready-to-go-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-633379 Fri, 04 Jun 2010 15:16:03 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=11261#comment-633379 On the Big Gov issue- I guess- coming from a UK perspective- the idea of the government stepping in and ‘fixing’ anything with the bail-out has been superseded by a general concern that it was done without a due reference to expertise- that is, they threw money at a problem without really knowing if that was the right thing to do. The question in the UK has actually been over whether the government has the expertise to make these sorts of decisions- do they have the know-how to fix anything. I guess, in that sense, we really haven’t been that concerned with the idea of government intervention itself- but then until recently (with the change of government), big government was not seen as a problem here.

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By: ladysquires http://www.historiann.com/2010/06/03/thursday-round-up-fired-up-and-ready-to-go-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-632902 Thu, 03 Jun 2010 23:26:29 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=11261#comment-632902 “I hope you’re someplace warm, clear, and un-foggy, unlike me.”

We are expecting triple digit weather here this weekend, and drought measures are already about to be upon us.

I wish I were in Maine.

On more substantive matters, though: arguments like Nouri’s feel a bit like a slap in the face in a profession that is already so difficult to break into. Perhaps it’s just my “about to enter the job market without much hope” mentality, but it’s hard to hear–on the one hand–that your chances of making it into a tenure track job are next to nil while on the other hand listening to full professors intone that the ranks of the Chosen are too open. I realize he’s talking about promotion, not initial hiring, but nevertheless, it rubs the wrong way.

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By: Z http://www.historiann.com/2010/06/03/thursday-round-up-fired-up-and-ready-to-go-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-632893 Thu, 03 Jun 2010 23:01:59 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=11261#comment-632893 So do you believe CatieCat, defensiveness is a sign of privilege! The conversation over there sounds like a lot of very earnest, very white people talking.

I feel defensive when I’ve made too many concessions already, compromised with the other party to the point that if I give one more inch my very integrity will be compromised. I feel defensive when I’m being projected into, having words put in my mouth, etc., or when I am being ordered to do distasteful things, or act against my own best interests, act in dishonest or unethical ways. I feel defensive when I am being invaded. Why do I feel defensive rather than angry? Because I was raised to believe I did not deserve any space of my own, so when I claim any, I feel guilty, so I get defensive.

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By: truffula http://www.historiann.com/2010/06/03/thursday-round-up-fired-up-and-ready-to-go-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-632861 Thu, 03 Jun 2010 20:44:48 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=11261#comment-632861 if you want to use oil as a fuel source (which the US state clearly has a huge investment in) then you are always going to be engaging in environmentally risky behaviour- regardless of expert advice.

Indeed. As much of a mess as oil spills (all of them, not just this one) are, nobody seems to stop driving their cars. As many people who have died from black lung and as many mountains (+flora +fauna) have been displaced (into nearby stream valleys), nobody seems to stop using electricity. Federal regulation has taken the edge off, no more breaker boys and all that, but clearly we are willing to let somebody else pay the price for these things. Global warming is much the same. The industrialized world has created it, the industrializing world is making it worse, and as long as those two envision themselves keeping ahead of the impacts, it will go on as it ever has, and the low folk on the economic ladder (and on the beach) will pay the price.

In other news, a new set of Kavli Prize Laureates, Norway’s retort to Sweden, were announced today. Quelle suprise, dudes! Selected by a committee of dudes!

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By: Historiann http://www.historiann.com/2010/06/03/thursday-round-up-fired-up-and-ready-to-go-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-632858 Thu, 03 Jun 2010 20:40:09 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=11261#comment-632858 “You can’t really have a government with an expertise in everything without having it employ a lot of experts and having an awful lot of government monitoring of private business.”

I think that’s what we have–it’s just that the benefits of this are privatized, while the risks are socialized in my country. Big Government works for Big Business and so-called “free market” capitalists–they only pose at hatin’ on the big government when BG threatens to work for the people who are paying for it. I’ve known for a long time that agribusiness and pharmaceuticals, just to name 2 examples, wouldn’t exist without BG to send them taxpayer-funded research and AFDC and Medicare and Medicaid to bail them out. Now, in the past 18 months we see that BG exists to keep GM and Chrysler alive, as well as the big investment banks. Everyone who’s already rich has their hands out in this country, and everyone who’s already rich gets their helping of BG welfare. The poor, not so much.

Why don’t we socialize Big Oil, just like Venezuela? Let BP spend its last dollar on this fiasco, then take over since it’s going to mean a massive public investment that’s going to be key to the cleanup and recovery of the Gulf. Then, let’s NOT de-socialize it (unlike the car companies and the banks) and we’ll see how fast people can wean themselves of their addiction to fossil fuels!

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