Comments on: College Inc. http://www.historiann.com/2010/05/05/college-inc/ History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present Sat, 27 Sep 2014 16:27:59 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.9.2 By: Even landscape technologists need critical thinking skills. « More or Less Bunk http://www.historiann.com/2010/05/05/college-inc/comment-page-1/#comment-614113 Fri, 07 May 2010 16:30:18 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=10887#comment-614113 [...] reading the comments to Historiann’s post on this subject, I learned something else I didn’t know: The University of Phoenix has a [...]

]]>
By: Curt Emanuel http://www.historiann.com/2010/05/05/college-inc/comment-page-1/#comment-613289 Thu, 06 May 2010 11:16:23 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=10887#comment-613289 Clio: How can they run an unaccredited school?

This is the first place my focus turned to. U-Phoenix is accredited. Not sure about the others. If they are accredited then maybe that system needs adjusting. I’m not very knowledgeable about it beyond everyone making a fuss whenever it’s our turn (though we don’t make nearly as much of a fuss as the CC I taught at).

The student loan issue’s the other problem. I’d sure hate to do anything that could even hint at reducing the program since I think we desperately need to expand it (as well as our investment in “pure” theoretical science) but maybe someone needs to look at institutional eligibility.

]]>
By: Julia http://www.historiann.com/2010/05/05/college-inc/comment-page-1/#comment-613066 Thu, 06 May 2010 02:51:48 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=10887#comment-613066 I watched and was amazed at how much federal loan money is involved in these colleges. I might be the only Historiann reader who watches bad TV during the day while I fold my laundry, and I am consistently horrified by the sheer volume of for profit college ads I see. The ads are so blatantly aimed at unsuspecting/uneducated people.

]]>
By: Susan http://www.historiann.com/2010/05/05/college-inc/comment-page-1/#comment-612957 Wed, 05 May 2010 22:31:03 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=10887#comment-612957 The other thing about who is teaching: in the online instruction at the for profits, the model is that they pay a lot up front to develop a course, and then the course is “delivered” by someone else. What that persons qualifications are is basically irrelevant, because they are delivering canned material.

]]>
By: Historiann http://www.historiann.com/2010/05/05/college-inc/comment-page-1/#comment-612914 Wed, 05 May 2010 19:59:09 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=10887#comment-612914 Well, Tony, in this respect he is an excellent Sec. of Ed.: the Athletic Department has never had a greater or more sympathetic friend than Duncan. And since we all know that public and private non-profit unis exist to field farm clubs for the NFL and the NBA, that’s where our financial priorities should be.

Gad, what a dope. (Duncan, not Grafton.)

]]>
By: tony grafton http://www.historiann.com/2010/05/05/college-inc/comment-page-1/#comment-612868 Wed, 05 May 2010 19:39:40 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=10887#comment-612868 Hey, folks, let’s remember Arne Duncan’s unique qualification: he’s definitely the best basketball player to serve as Secretary of Education, as more than one adoring profile emphasized. How can you be so critical just because he has no idea what he’s talking about or what happens in classrooms at pretty much any level?

]]>
By: Kathie http://www.historiann.com/2010/05/05/college-inc/comment-page-1/#comment-612851 Wed, 05 May 2010 19:28:05 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=10887#comment-612851 I missed the show, but will try to watch it online.

I was curious about who was teaching history at the U. of Phoenix, so I went to their website. There is no history dept., but there is a Humanities division, which profiles three faculty members – the only one really doing history is as follows:

“[Professor PSH] has been teaching sociology and history courses at University of Phoenix since 2008. She holds a Ph.D. in Higher Education and a Master of Arts in History from the University of Arizona.

She is a professional member of the National Center for Public Policy and Higher Education, the American Historical Association and the Association for the Study of Higher Education.

She has 20 years of experience in higher education including 17 years spent teaching, developing and evaluating curriculum. Her professional experience also includes being an archivist, faculty member and administrator.

Her areas of interest include early American history, women’s studies, and higher education policy.”

Somehow, I don’t think what she is teaching is equivalent to the courses taught by some great historians I know at local community colleges – at least they all have Ph.D.s in history.

]]>
By: Notorious Ph.D. http://www.historiann.com/2010/05/05/college-inc/comment-page-1/#comment-612834 Wed, 05 May 2010 18:21:56 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=10887#comment-612834 Janice’s reaction to my M.A. student dovetails nicely with something I just heard as I was listening to the video:

Arne Duncan: “If you’re paid based on how many people you’ll enroll, you’ll enroll just about anyone.”

At my four-year M.A. comprehensive, I don’t know precisely how the numbers work, but I’ve been given to understand that the M.A. students are very profitable, and not subject to the same enrollment caps that the undergrad program is at this time. So we’re pressured to increase enrollments in our M.A. program. In some ways, we’re sliding into the same model as the for-profits, with similar results: unqualified students, and a devalued degree. Some of us more idealistic faculty (including our Graduate Advisor) are pushing back, but only with limited success.

I’m listening to the portion on debt right now, and I’m growing increasingly horrified.

]]>
By: Historiann http://www.historiann.com/2010/05/05/college-inc/comment-page-1/#comment-612823 Wed, 05 May 2010 17:22:04 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=10887#comment-612823 Janice–that’s my fear exactly. And it’s why the faculty need to stand against it. Yes, four-year degree programs cost money and time. But given the contrast to the result for students (much lower debt and much better employment prospects) it looks like a better investment in the end than these scammer for-profit unis.

Clio asks the right question: “why, for the love of all that is intelligent, aren’t these places regulated; and what will have to be done to get them regulated?”

I think having a Secretary of Education who’d rather crack down on criminals and fraudsters than elementary and secondary school teachers might help. Accountability is only for the public school teachers, I guess. Seriously: watch the show. Duncan mostly shows up in the second half, but he is stunning in his half-wittery. Again: a typical educrat who knows the buzzwords and the lingo, but has zero ACTUAL experience with education at ANY level of the curriculum.

]]>
By: GayProf http://www.historiann.com/2010/05/05/college-inc/comment-page-1/#comment-612822 Wed, 05 May 2010 17:21:36 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=10887#comment-612822 Wait — Are you implying that private corporations don’t do a better job than government run programs? Are you some sorta socialist, HistoriAnn?

]]>