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		<title>By: cgeye</title>
		<link>http://www.historiann.com/2010/04/28/what-is-the-sound-of-one-hand-slapping-my-forhead/comment-page-1/#comment-612347</link>
		<dc:creator>cgeye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 May 2010 22:51:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>4-4 confuses the heck outta me, but I&#039;ll take your word for it -- thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>4-4 confuses the heck outta me, but I&#8217;ll take your word for it &#8212; thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Indyanna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Indyanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Apr 2010 22:01:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or sometimes, if it&#039;s a quarter system, it will be X classes (say, 5) distributed over Y quarters (say 3, or 4). Defenders of the quarter system, as I understand it, like it because it can be possible to be away from the classroom, or indeed the campus, for six months each year.  I wouldn&#039;t know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or sometimes, if it&#8217;s a quarter system, it will be X classes (say, 5) distributed over Y quarters (say 3, or 4). Defenders of the quarter system, as I understand it, like it because it can be possible to be away from the classroom, or indeed the campus, for six months each year.  I wouldn&#8217;t know.</p>
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		<title>By: Historiann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Historiann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Apr 2010 20:07:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cgyeye:  2-2 means 2 classes for 2 semesters; 4-4 means 4 classes for 2 semesters.  If there&#039;s a quarter system involved, it&#039;s described (for example) as a 2-2-2.  

(I know it doesn&#039;t make sense since &quot;quarters&quot; are not &quot;thirds,&quot; but whatever.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cgyeye:  2-2 means 2 classes for 2 semesters; 4-4 means 4 classes for 2 semesters.  If there&#8217;s a quarter system involved, it&#8217;s described (for example) as a 2-2-2.  </p>
<p>(I know it doesn&#8217;t make sense since &#8220;quarters&#8221; are not &#8220;thirds,&#8221; but whatever.)</p>
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		<title>By: cgeye</title>
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		<dc:creator>cgeye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Apr 2010 18:57:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please unpack this specialist talk, pls:
2-2 load, 4-4 load.

Does this mean 2 classes per quarter, for 2 quarters?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please unpack this specialist talk, pls:<br />
2-2 load, 4-4 load.</p>
<p>Does this mean 2 classes per quarter, for 2 quarters?</p>
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		<title>By: Historiann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Historiann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Apr 2010 12:29:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes on the shared governance.  But, quite frankly, shared governance only operates at most universities at the pleasure of the administration.  Deans, provosts, and presidents can (and do) interfere in departmental tenure and promotion decisions all of the time.  Faculty should realize that some pigs are more equal than others in this government.

Give the guy some credit:  the Provost at Brown is firing a warning shot.  (Or, maybe he&#039;s trying to build some consensus for his initiative.)  Whatever.  He could have just started firing people, like the d00dz at Baylor.  But they&#039;re smarter than that at Brown.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes on the shared governance.  But, quite frankly, shared governance only operates at most universities at the pleasure of the administration.  Deans, provosts, and presidents can (and do) interfere in departmental tenure and promotion decisions all of the time.  Faculty should realize that some pigs are more equal than others in this government.</p>
<p>Give the guy some credit:  the Provost at Brown is firing a warning shot.  (Or, maybe he&#8217;s trying to build some consensus for his initiative.)  Whatever.  He could have just started firing people, like the d00dz at Baylor.  But they&#8217;re smarter than that at Brown.</p>
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		<title>By: Z</title>
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		<dc:creator>Z</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Apr 2010 02:02:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good point on the assessment borg, Indyanna.

I&#039;d also like to emphasize Susan&#039;s point, though, on shared governance. I agree that this is the key element here.

Thanks for bringing attention to this, Historiann.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point on the assessment borg, Indyanna.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d also like to emphasize Susan&#8217;s point, though, on shared governance. I agree that this is the key element here.</p>
<p>Thanks for bringing attention to this, Historiann.</p>
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		<title>By: Indyanna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Indyanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Apr 2010 20:18:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, yeah, sorry, I just used the term &quot;get tenure&quot; in a loose way to mean VG was widely-understood to have been tapped to become president in 1980, and when that didn&#039;t happen he moved on. In a soft-core sort of way it split the Uni for years after into parts that were perceived to be either his supporters or not his supporters, with the former being in the great majority. Plus of course those who came later and had no real stake in the issue except for hearing about it over and over.  It didn&#039;t become a real schism or anything, just made it sort of complicated for the person who did become prez.  But he unquestionably took the mojo from years of hanging out with the Brooke Astor set in Gotham over to Rhode Island and hotted-up that place good.  

Having now read the linked story, the most alarming thing about it to me is the imputed causal connection between the Brown move and the opinion of that black helicopter new world order agency: &quot;The Accreditors.&quot;  Who accredits the accreditors in our little republic?  Who appoints, elects, or governs them?  What do they do, or in fact--where the heck ARE they, corporeally--when they&#039;re not not-working on our campuses?  Around this place &quot;Middle States&quot; is invoked with the mewling reverence and submissiveness that you might have applied to a parent who left your room saying &quot;when I come back here next time, I&#039;d better not see...&quot; [fill in the indiscretion or shortcoming].  If the &quot;Middle States&quot; godhead so much as alludes to anything in its report, the assumption is that it&#039;s a mandamus, not an idea.  

These accrediting agencies are unquestionably the source, or at least the spearpoint, of the &quot;assessment&quot; borg that&#039;s devouring everything in front of it in the academic world.  Governance issues at the accreditor/ institution interface is a very much underaddressed issue. Where does it lie in the ancient constitution?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, yeah, sorry, I just used the term &#8220;get tenure&#8221; in a loose way to mean VG was widely-understood to have been tapped to become president in 1980, and when that didn&#8217;t happen he moved on. In a soft-core sort of way it split the Uni for years after into parts that were perceived to be either his supporters or not his supporters, with the former being in the great majority. Plus of course those who came later and had no real stake in the issue except for hearing about it over and over.  It didn&#8217;t become a real schism or anything, just made it sort of complicated for the person who did become prez.  But he unquestionably took the mojo from years of hanging out with the Brooke Astor set in Gotham over to Rhode Island and hotted-up that place good.  </p>
<p>Having now read the linked story, the most alarming thing about it to me is the imputed causal connection between the Brown move and the opinion of that black helicopter new world order agency: &#8220;The Accreditors.&#8221;  Who accredits the accreditors in our little republic?  Who appoints, elects, or governs them?  What do they do, or in fact&#8211;where the heck ARE they, corporeally&#8211;when they&#8217;re not not-working on our campuses?  Around this place &#8220;Middle States&#8221; is invoked with the mewling reverence and submissiveness that you might have applied to a parent who left your room saying &#8220;when I come back here next time, I&#8217;d better not see&#8230;&#8221; [fill in the indiscretion or shortcoming].  If the &#8220;Middle States&#8221; godhead so much as alludes to anything in its report, the assumption is that it&#8217;s a mandamus, not an idea.  </p>
<p>These accrediting agencies are unquestionably the source, or at least the spearpoint, of the &#8220;assessment&#8221; borg that&#8217;s devouring everything in front of it in the academic world.  Governance issues at the accreditor/ institution interface is a very much underaddressed issue. Where does it lie in the ancient constitution?</p>
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		<title>By: Historiann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Historiann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Apr 2010 19:51:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whaaaa?  V to the G didn&#039;t get tenure at Penn?  I thought he first rose through the administrative ranks there, and then went on to the NYPL and Brown.  (&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vartan_Gregorian&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Wikipedia says&lt;/a&gt; he &quot;became the founding dean of the Faculty of Arts and Sciences in 1974, and the provost in 1978 [at Penn].&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whaaaa?  V to the G didn&#8217;t get tenure at Penn?  I thought he first rose through the administrative ranks there, and then went on to the NYPL and Brown.  (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vartan_Gregorian" rel="nofollow">Wikipedia says</a> he &#8220;became the founding dean of the Faculty of Arts and Sciences in 1974, and the provost in 1978 [at Penn].&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Indyanna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Indyanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Apr 2010 17:36:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Historiann,

Brown was &quot;hot&quot; back then because a guy who didn&#039;t write enough books to win tenure as president at Penn and then saved the New York Public Library from the remainder bin headed over to Providence to spread the alchemy around.  I&#039;m not sure if there was a Kennedy component or not.

But this is to quibble.  For admins, it&#039;s all about metrics, and especially all about yield.  It&#039;s like driving your u-grad apply/admit ratios down so as to look better in US News, which allows you to get another job at a Bowl Championship Series school. Someday you might even get to run the NCAA. The funny thing is, Harvard and Yale have been claiming for years that they&#039;re trying to move away from the &quot;hire-to-fire&quot; model.  

Up late today, so I just had to skim the thread as a whole.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Historiann,</p>
<p>Brown was &#8220;hot&#8221; back then because a guy who didn&#8217;t write enough books to win tenure as president at Penn and then saved the New York Public Library from the remainder bin headed over to Providence to spread the alchemy around.  I&#8217;m not sure if there was a Kennedy component or not.</p>
<p>But this is to quibble.  For admins, it&#8217;s all about metrics, and especially all about yield.  It&#8217;s like driving your u-grad apply/admit ratios down so as to look better in US News, which allows you to get another job at a Bowl Championship Series school. Someday you might even get to run the NCAA. The funny thing is, Harvard and Yale have been claiming for years that they&#8217;re trying to move away from the &#8220;hire-to-fire&#8221; model.  </p>
<p>Up late today, so I just had to skim the thread as a whole.</p>
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		<title>By: Susan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Susan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Apr 2010 17:22:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was a grad student at Brown when the Lamphere case was settled (back in the day, people wrote really stupid things down...) and it did make a difference. 

  Brown has -- at least in history and american civ -- small but very good graduate programs; it expects (and has had) top scholars; and it markets itself as taking undergraduate education seriously (which, based on the people I know there, it does).  As I read the article, the changes are really an attack on shared governance -- at every step moving authority to the administration from the faculty.   And it strikes me as science oriented: junior scholars in the humanities and social sciences usually already have their research agenda developed, and it doesn&#039;t take another year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was a grad student at Brown when the Lamphere case was settled (back in the day, people wrote really stupid things down&#8230;) and it did make a difference. </p>
<p>  Brown has &#8212; at least in history and american civ &#8212; small but very good graduate programs; it expects (and has had) top scholars; and it markets itself as taking undergraduate education seriously (which, based on the people I know there, it does).  As I read the article, the changes are really an attack on shared governance &#8212; at every step moving authority to the administration from the faculty.   And it strikes me as science oriented: junior scholars in the humanities and social sciences usually already have their research agenda developed, and it doesn&#8217;t take another year.</p>
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