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		<title>By: And the Whig of Illusory Progress goes to. . . : Historiann : History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present</title>
		<link>http://www.historiann.com/2010/04/27/is-motherhood-authorizing/comment-page-1/#comment-616511</link>
		<dc:creator>And the Whig of Illusory Progress goes to. . . : Historiann : History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 May 2010 16:22:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of the Supreme Court I could name, it&#8217;s all good.  Straight or gay or neither or both, mother or not, married, divorced, or not, I don&#8217;t [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] of the Supreme Court I could name, it&#8217;s all good.  Straight or gay or neither or both, mother or not, married, divorced, or not, I don&#8217;t [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Notorious Ph.D.</title>
		<link>http://www.historiann.com/2010/04/27/is-motherhood-authorizing/comment-page-1/#comment-608465</link>
		<dc:creator>Notorious Ph.D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Apr 2010 14:14:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m chiming in to second CPP&#039;s point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m chiming in to second CPP&#8217;s point.</p>
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		<title>By: Historiann</title>
		<link>http://www.historiann.com/2010/04/27/is-motherhood-authorizing/comment-page-1/#comment-607694</link>
		<dc:creator>Historiann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Apr 2010 12:55:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;I think his point about showing that a woman *can* be a parent while holding a very important and work-intensive job is rather valid, because while it should be perfectly acceptable for women not to have children, the reality is that many do *want* to, which means that it’s also very important for that to be compatible with having a high-profile career.&lt;/i&gt;&quot;

At this point in history, this is hardly a new or revolutionary idea.  In fact, it&#039;s on a par with &quot;slavery is immoral!&quot; or &quot;free the serfs!&quot;  I lament the fact that we live in a world where someone like Beinart can think this is a big, bright, new idea.  But, that&#039;s the perpetual childishness of our discourse when it comes to women&#039;s and gender issues.

I don&#039;t know where you get your information that &quot;*mothers* are underrepresented&quot; compared to non-mothers--on the Supreme Court right now there is one mother and one non-mother.  It all depends on where you&#039;re looking and how you draw the lines, I suppose.  For me, the greater problem is that there are only two women, and only three women total in 230 years of court history who have served.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;I think his point about showing that a woman *can* be a parent while holding a very important and work-intensive job is rather valid, because while it should be perfectly acceptable for women not to have children, the reality is that many do *want* to, which means that it’s also very important for that to be compatible with having a high-profile career.</i>&#8221;</p>
<p>At this point in history, this is hardly a new or revolutionary idea.  In fact, it&#8217;s on a par with &#8220;slavery is immoral!&#8221; or &#8220;free the serfs!&#8221;  I lament the fact that we live in a world where someone like Beinart can think this is a big, bright, new idea.  But, that&#8217;s the perpetual childishness of our discourse when it comes to women&#8217;s and gender issues.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know where you get your information that &#8220;*mothers* are underrepresented&#8221; compared to non-mothers&#8211;on the Supreme Court right now there is one mother and one non-mother.  It all depends on where you&#8217;re looking and how you draw the lines, I suppose.  For me, the greater problem is that there are only two women, and only three women total in 230 years of court history who have served.</p>
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		<title>By: Outsider</title>
		<link>http://www.historiann.com/2010/04/27/is-motherhood-authorizing/comment-page-1/#comment-607547</link>
		<dc:creator>Outsider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Apr 2010 08:17:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps this is odd, but my reaction to that paragraph was not at all like everybody else&#039;s here.

I really don&#039;t think Beinart was saying that childless women are less desirable as people or as politically powerful figures. I think his point about showing that a woman *can* be a parent while holding a very important and work-intensive job is rather valid, because while it should be perfectly acceptable for women not to have children, the reality is that many do *want* to, which means that it&#039;s also very important for that to be compatible with having a high-profile career. Yes, of course these women&#039;s husbands (if they have them) should be doing an equal share of the housework and childcare, and yes, unfortunately they probably won&#039;t, but at least if there are many well-known examples of women succeeding at both being parents and being politicians/judges/etc. the idea may become more accepted.

As to whether paying attention to the parent status of a potential candidate reinforces stereotypes: um, I feel like, at least in the case of women, a lot of attention is *already* paid to this, so it would be good at least to ensure that it&#039;s not attention of the oh-if-she-has-a-family-we-don&#039;t-want-her type.
And more directly to the stereotype issue: well, how is that different from the notion that specifically asking for a female candidate reinforces gender stereotypes by assuming that a woman will necessarily contribute a meaningfully different perspective? (I guess the answer would be that women are a category specifically underrepresented, and they shouldn&#039;t be, hence we want more of them (us). However, while, as it has been pointed out, parents per se are not underrepresented, *mothers* are (even compared to women in general, it seems), so I feel like that would apply there too.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps this is odd, but my reaction to that paragraph was not at all like everybody else&#8217;s here.</p>
<p>I really don&#8217;t think Beinart was saying that childless women are less desirable as people or as politically powerful figures. I think his point about showing that a woman *can* be a parent while holding a very important and work-intensive job is rather valid, because while it should be perfectly acceptable for women not to have children, the reality is that many do *want* to, which means that it&#8217;s also very important for that to be compatible with having a high-profile career. Yes, of course these women&#8217;s husbands (if they have them) should be doing an equal share of the housework and childcare, and yes, unfortunately they probably won&#8217;t, but at least if there are many well-known examples of women succeeding at both being parents and being politicians/judges/etc. the idea may become more accepted.</p>
<p>As to whether paying attention to the parent status of a potential candidate reinforces stereotypes: um, I feel like, at least in the case of women, a lot of attention is *already* paid to this, so it would be good at least to ensure that it&#8217;s not attention of the oh-if-she-has-a-family-we-don&#8217;t-want-her type.<br />
And more directly to the stereotype issue: well, how is that different from the notion that specifically asking for a female candidate reinforces gender stereotypes by assuming that a woman will necessarily contribute a meaningfully different perspective? (I guess the answer would be that women are a category specifically underrepresented, and they shouldn&#8217;t be, hence we want more of them (us). However, while, as it has been pointed out, parents per se are not underrepresented, *mothers* are (even compared to women in general, it seems), so I feel like that would apply there too.)</p>
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		<title>By: Historiann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Historiann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Apr 2010 02:47:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heh.  You all crack me up.  (In a good way.)  LadyProf, CPP, and Fratguy, take it away!

Or, like that old commercial:  &quot;The baby!  The DOG!  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCC-E8ktcMg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Calgon, take me away&lt;/a&gt;!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heh.  You all crack me up.  (In a good way.)  LadyProf, CPP, and Fratguy, take it away!</p>
<p>Or, like that old commercial:  &#8220;The baby!  The DOG!  <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCC-E8ktcMg" rel="nofollow">Calgon, take me away</a>!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: LadyProf</title>
		<link>http://www.historiann.com/2010/04/27/is-motherhood-authorizing/comment-page-1/#comment-607344</link>
		<dc:creator>LadyProf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Apr 2010 02:29:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;When a d00d takes a position of power, it’s not interpreted as “sending a message” to other d00ds about the meaning of d00dliness; it’s just taking what’s rightfully his.&lt;/i&gt;

And of course Beinert isn&#039;t writing about a woman taking anything.  He seeks to influence a decision of the d00ds and by the d00ds, though perhaps not for the d00ds.  Reject the bad kind of woman, Mr. President, and extend your d00dly bounty to the good kind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>When a d00d takes a position of power, it’s not interpreted as “sending a message” to other d00ds about the meaning of d00dliness; it’s just taking what’s rightfully his.</i></p>
<p>And of course Beinert isn&#8217;t writing about a woman taking anything.  He seeks to influence a decision of the d00ds and by the d00ds, though perhaps not for the d00ds.  Reject the bad kind of woman, Mr. President, and extend your d00dly bounty to the good kind.</p>
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		<title>By: Fratguy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fratguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Apr 2010 02:29:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;That’s a message that I’d like my working wife—and our 2-year-old daughter—to hear.&quot;

I bet she&#039;d be even happier hearing Bienart doing the dishes in the morning or or hearing him put the two year old to bed while she is finishing her briefcase.  To paraphrase my favorite Charles Barkley ad from the 90&#039;s.  &quot;Just because I can draft a brief and strike down legislation doesn&#039;t make me a role model, spouses should be role models&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;That’s a message that I’d like my working wife—and our 2-year-old daughter—to hear.&#8221;</p>
<p>I bet she&#8217;d be even happier hearing Bienart doing the dishes in the morning or or hearing him put the two year old to bed while she is finishing her briefcase.  To paraphrase my favorite Charles Barkley ad from the 90&#8242;s.  &#8220;Just because I can draft a brief and strike down legislation doesn&#8217;t make me a role model, spouses should be role models&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: turducken</title>
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		<dc:creator>turducken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Apr 2010 02:20:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right after I read this post, I went over to Facebook and saw this posted as a friend&#039;s status update:

&quot;For all the Moms who have traded eyeliner for dark circles, salon hair cuts for ponytails, long showers for stubble on their legs, late nights for early mornings, designer purses for diaper bags and wouldn&#039;t change a thing!! I LOVE MY KIDS!!!! With Mother&#039;s day drawing near lets see how many Mom&#039;s Repost this. Mom&#039;s don&#039;t care what they gave up ...and will continue to give up for our kids! ♥&quot;

Obviously, any mother who makes it to the Supreme Court is a very bad mother for not giving enough up ... or any mother who actually misses her designer purses, or her chance at a legal career.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right after I read this post, I went over to Facebook and saw this posted as a friend&#8217;s status update:</p>
<p>&#8220;For all the Moms who have traded eyeliner for dark circles, salon hair cuts for ponytails, long showers for stubble on their legs, late nights for early mornings, designer purses for diaper bags and wouldn&#8217;t change a thing!! I LOVE MY KIDS!!!! With Mother&#8217;s day drawing near lets see how many Mom&#8217;s Repost this. Mom&#8217;s don&#8217;t care what they gave up &#8230;and will continue to give up for our kids! ♥&#8221;</p>
<p>Obviously, any mother who makes it to the Supreme Court is a very bad mother for not giving enough up &#8230; or any mother who actually misses her designer purses, or her chance at a legal career.</p>
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		<title>By: Comrade PhysioProf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Comrade PhysioProf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Apr 2010 01:18:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is also a meta-point here beyond the significance of asserting that powerful women should have children. Beinert assumes without acknowledgment that women in any prominent position of power by necessity must by their very existence &quot;send a message&quot; to other women about what it means to be a woman, blah, blah, blah. When a d00d takes a position of power, it&#039;s not interpreted as &quot;sending a message&quot; to other d00ds about the meaning of d00dliness; it&#039;s just taking what&#039;s rightfully his.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is also a meta-point here beyond the significance of asserting that powerful women should have children. Beinert assumes without acknowledgment that women in any prominent position of power by necessity must by their very existence &#8220;send a message&#8221; to other women about what it means to be a woman, blah, blah, blah. When a d00d takes a position of power, it&#8217;s not interpreted as &#8220;sending a message&#8221; to other d00ds about the meaning of d00dliness; it&#8217;s just taking what&#8217;s rightfully his.</p>
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		<title>By: LadyProf</title>
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		<dc:creator>LadyProf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Apr 2010 23:16:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My interpretation is that Beinert favors Diane Wood over Elena Kagan, finding Wood&#039;s politics a bit more simpatico, but thinks that rather than say Kagan&#039;s something of a neocon warmonger he might as well pick up points with his wife or other mothers he knows.  So he makes a virtue of Wood&#039;s children, claiming they are a credential.  

Children were no such thing for two out of the three female Justices when they were nominated.  And as for his role model claims, notice Beiner didn&#039;t say anything about O&#039;Connor or Ginsburg inspiring girls about motherhood, because they didn&#039;t.  I doubt young girls would think Wood&#039;s old-ish kids have anything to do with their lives.  

But whatever, for Beinert.  It&#039;s all laydeebizness and thus not important, so he doesn&#039;t have to bother firing up his brain before sorting women into a worthy and an unworthy pile.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My interpretation is that Beinert favors Diane Wood over Elena Kagan, finding Wood&#8217;s politics a bit more simpatico, but thinks that rather than say Kagan&#8217;s something of a neocon warmonger he might as well pick up points with his wife or other mothers he knows.  So he makes a virtue of Wood&#8217;s children, claiming they are a credential.  </p>
<p>Children were no such thing for two out of the three female Justices when they were nominated.  And as for his role model claims, notice Beiner didn&#8217;t say anything about O&#8217;Connor or Ginsburg inspiring girls about motherhood, because they didn&#8217;t.  I doubt young girls would think Wood&#8217;s old-ish kids have anything to do with their lives.  </p>
<p>But whatever, for Beinert.  It&#8217;s all laydeebizness and thus not important, so he doesn&#8217;t have to bother firing up his brain before sorting women into a worthy and an unworthy pile.</p>
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