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		<title>By: Cailin Murray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cailin Murray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2012 17:12:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am on the Diversity Committee for my university and on a sub-committee tasked with advising the Provost about &#039;family friendly&#039; policies. After just watching a cherished assistant professor in my own dept go through the nightmare of having to Frankenstein her own maternity leave, because our university forces women to use paid sick leave that may not cover their needs fully, I had rather hoped we could discuss the possibility of paid maternity leave policy. Does anyone have examples where this has worked out? Please contact me at murraycailin@gmail.com if you have links or ideas. Terrible - I was in the Retail Clerks labor union in the 1980s when I had my son - I received full coverage for the costs of pregnancy and birth plus the unforeseen costs of giving birth to a child with a disability AND 8 weeks of fully covered maternity leave (normally we got 6 weeks but I got 2 more because of his special needs). And I packed cookies and sold doughnuts for a living .....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am on the Diversity Committee for my university and on a sub-committee tasked with advising the Provost about &#8216;family friendly&#8217; policies. After just watching a cherished assistant professor in my own dept go through the nightmare of having to Frankenstein her own maternity leave, because our university forces women to use paid sick leave that may not cover their needs fully, I had rather hoped we could discuss the possibility of paid maternity leave policy. Does anyone have examples where this has worked out? Please contact me at <a href="mailto:murraycailin@gmail.com">murraycailin@gmail.com</a> if you have links or ideas. Terrible &#8211; I was in the Retail Clerks labor union in the 1980s when I had my son &#8211; I received full coverage for the costs of pregnancy and birth plus the unforeseen costs of giving birth to a child with a disability AND 8 weeks of fully covered maternity leave (normally we got 6 weeks but I got 2 more because of his special needs). And I packed cookies and sold doughnuts for a living &#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Historiann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Historiann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 May 2010 03:27:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s awful--but I&#039;m sad to report that that&#039;s not the first time I&#039;ve heard of that happening.  

I really think there&#039;s something going on with punishing women who dare to reproduce in academia.  Our efforts to draw attention to the problem are met with stonewalling and eyerolls, as if to say, &quot;hey, we heard all of this back in the 1970s/80s/90s when we hired you--haven&#039;t YOU figured it out yet?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s awful&#8211;but I&#8217;m sad to report that that&#8217;s not the first time I&#8217;ve heard of that happening.  </p>
<p>I really think there&#8217;s something going on with punishing women who dare to reproduce in academia.  Our efforts to draw attention to the problem are met with stonewalling and eyerolls, as if to say, &#8220;hey, we heard all of this back in the 1970s/80s/90s when we hired you&#8211;haven&#8217;t YOU figured it out yet?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: anonymous too</title>
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		<dc:creator>anonymous too</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 May 2010 03:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How&#039;s this: I struggle to get a teaching release for the semester my baby is going to be born, and the man who is accused of multiple episodes of sexual harassment is &quot;relieved&quot; of his teaching duties so as to protect his students (and not asked to compensate by extra service)? I mean, I&#039;m all for keeping the slime away from students, but isn&#039;t there something just a LITTLE problematic about forcing a no-course load on a harasser and refusing one to a new mother?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How&#8217;s this: I struggle to get a teaching release for the semester my baby is going to be born, and the man who is accused of multiple episodes of sexual harassment is &#8220;relieved&#8221; of his teaching duties so as to protect his students (and not asked to compensate by extra service)? I mean, I&#8217;m all for keeping the slime away from students, but isn&#8217;t there something just a LITTLE problematic about forcing a no-course load on a harasser and refusing one to a new mother?</p>
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		<title>By: Leave? Damn straight! We hear again from Anonymous about her maternity leave plans : Historiann : History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leave? Damn straight! We hear again from Anonymous about her maternity leave plans : Historiann : History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 May 2010 23:00:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] update about her attempts to secure a paid maternity leave from her university.  (If you recall, I posted her story a few weeks ago detailing her efforts to get a leave for the fall term.)  Guess what?  After nearly six months of wrangling as her belly grows, she&#8217;s down to [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] update about her attempts to secure a paid maternity leave from her university.  (If you recall, I posted her story a few weeks ago detailing her efforts to get a leave for the fall term.)  Guess what?  After nearly six months of wrangling as her belly grows, she&#8217;s down to [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 May 2010 20:10:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I haven&#039;t been here in a while and didn&#039;t know the conversation was going on!  Historiann, thanks for taking up all those contemptuous comments by Clarissa while I was MIA.  I agree that perhaps it was unbelievably naive of me to imagine that the chair and the dean could clearly and legally and fully explain to me the policies relating to leave (which as other posters have explained are NOT clearly laid out either in the faculty handbook or on the HR sight, which is actually incomprehensible).  Since the chair frequently handles requests for leave, it seemed sensible to imagine this was part of his job description, rather than an imposition I was making on him.  Had I known what a fierce and complex struggle this would be, I would certainly have approached it differently.  But considering my previous experience at a different university, at which my request for leave was handled by the chair and treated as utterly pro forma, perhaps I had *some reasonable expectation* of a similar outcome.

It is worth repeating what has been noted before in these comments: the university as a whole has no parental leave policy other than FMLA.  What people need to understand is that colleges and universities and even departments often rely on informal or extra-formal procedures for dealing with such leaves, which makes them by definition undefinable and ad hoc.  My college does not consider what I am taking to be maternity leave or parental leave - it is not classified as such, even though this is what they offer faculty in place of FMLA.  FMLA is unpaid of course but it also causes many logistical problems for those of us on a semester-based system - since FMLA would require the university to reinstate me full time and full pay near the end of a semester, when it would simply not be possible for a professor to begin teaching.  

Honestly, if I had understood clearly what the outcome of all these months of negotiating would be, I probably would have insisted instead on taking FMLA leave and sucked up the financial loss.  I was recently informed that the amount of work that I would be expected to perform while on &quot;leave&quot; would have to &quot;adequately compensate&quot; the university for such leave - to wit, that I would be expected to perform as close to a full work load as they could give me without teaching.  I&#039;m not sure therefore why offer this &quot;benefit&quot; of course releases if their main concern is extracting an equivalent or near-equivalent amount of work. I won&#039;t enumerate the expectations for my work load while on leave, but they are onerous indeed.  I&#039;m feeling certain that the whole concept of parental leave (ie leave during which a parent acts as a primary caregiver for a brand new human being) does not exist at my university.

I would also like to add that the idea that an untenured faculty member at a new university with a byzantine and unclear set of policies should somehow be in a position of power or authority over her chair and her dean and the administration as a whole is absolutely absurd.  We need to be realistic about the power dynamics functioning at universities and how those affect the untenured.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t been here in a while and didn&#8217;t know the conversation was going on!  Historiann, thanks for taking up all those contemptuous comments by Clarissa while I was MIA.  I agree that perhaps it was unbelievably naive of me to imagine that the chair and the dean could clearly and legally and fully explain to me the policies relating to leave (which as other posters have explained are NOT clearly laid out either in the faculty handbook or on the HR sight, which is actually incomprehensible).  Since the chair frequently handles requests for leave, it seemed sensible to imagine this was part of his job description, rather than an imposition I was making on him.  Had I known what a fierce and complex struggle this would be, I would certainly have approached it differently.  But considering my previous experience at a different university, at which my request for leave was handled by the chair and treated as utterly pro forma, perhaps I had *some reasonable expectation* of a similar outcome.</p>
<p>It is worth repeating what has been noted before in these comments: the university as a whole has no parental leave policy other than FMLA.  What people need to understand is that colleges and universities and even departments often rely on informal or extra-formal procedures for dealing with such leaves, which makes them by definition undefinable and ad hoc.  My college does not consider what I am taking to be maternity leave or parental leave &#8211; it is not classified as such, even though this is what they offer faculty in place of FMLA.  FMLA is unpaid of course but it also causes many logistical problems for those of us on a semester-based system &#8211; since FMLA would require the university to reinstate me full time and full pay near the end of a semester, when it would simply not be possible for a professor to begin teaching.  </p>
<p>Honestly, if I had understood clearly what the outcome of all these months of negotiating would be, I probably would have insisted instead on taking FMLA leave and sucked up the financial loss.  I was recently informed that the amount of work that I would be expected to perform while on &#8220;leave&#8221; would have to &#8220;adequately compensate&#8221; the university for such leave &#8211; to wit, that I would be expected to perform as close to a full work load as they could give me without teaching.  I&#8217;m not sure therefore why offer this &#8220;benefit&#8221; of course releases if their main concern is extracting an equivalent or near-equivalent amount of work. I won&#8217;t enumerate the expectations for my work load while on leave, but they are onerous indeed.  I&#8217;m feeling certain that the whole concept of parental leave (ie leave during which a parent acts as a primary caregiver for a brand new human being) does not exist at my university.</p>
<p>I would also like to add that the idea that an untenured faculty member at a new university with a byzantine and unclear set of policies should somehow be in a position of power or authority over her chair and her dean and the administration as a whole is absolutely absurd.  We need to be realistic about the power dynamics functioning at universities and how those affect the untenured.</p>
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		<title>By: Historiann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Historiann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 May 2010 14:00:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree, which is why I wrote &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.historiann.com/2010/04/21/leave-or-the-once-and-future-state-of-maternity-leave-in-academia/#comment-602949&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this comment above&lt;/a&gt;.

I&#039;m still waiting for other ideas about how to staff courses for faculty leaves and sabbaticals.  Any ideas?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree, which is why I wrote <a href="http://www.historiann.com/2010/04/21/leave-or-the-once-and-future-state-of-maternity-leave-in-academia/#comment-602949" rel="nofollow">this comment above</a>.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m still waiting for other ideas about how to staff courses for faculty leaves and sabbaticals.  Any ideas?</p>
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		<title>By: Mariella</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mariella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 May 2010 13:23:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m still finishing my PhD, but if I got pregnant now there would not only be no maternity leave, but basic prenatal care is not covered by our health insurance. (Sonograms, delivery, etc is all out of pocket, because it is considered something you do to yourself.) To me that is as great a travesty as the one you describe here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m still finishing my PhD, but if I got pregnant now there would not only be no maternity leave, but basic prenatal care is not covered by our health insurance. (Sonograms, delivery, etc is all out of pocket, because it is considered something you do to yourself.) To me that is as great a travesty as the one you describe here.</p>
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		<title>By: Historiann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Historiann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 May 2010 00:03:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So whom should we ask to cover classes with sometimes very little notice?  It seems to me that these are the cases that adjuncting was originally designed to serve.  I&#039;d be all for paying people more than $4,000/class--that&#039;s just the going rate at my uni, so I used that as an example.  Adjuncting is problematic when it becomes the standard model for staffing departments, rather than short-term and temporary fixes for leaves, sabbaticals, and the like.  (I taught 3 semesters as leave replacement myself before I got my tenure-track job.)  I don&#039;t think that hiring adjuncts to cover leaves and sabbaticals is what&#039;s driving the adjunctification of higher ed.

I agree that adjuncting can be exploitative.  OTOH, when courses on the schedule needed covering at sometimes the last minute (or even in some cases urgently, in the middle of the term), my adjunct/lecturer friends have stepped up to take on the extra teaching because they needed the dough.  It would have been unfair to expect anyone to volunteer, so I think hiring adjuncts is a more just and realistic solution.  I just don&#039;t see any other way of solving this problem right now.  (But I&#039;m open to all serious suggestions.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So whom should we ask to cover classes with sometimes very little notice?  It seems to me that these are the cases that adjuncting was originally designed to serve.  I&#8217;d be all for paying people more than $4,000/class&#8211;that&#8217;s just the going rate at my uni, so I used that as an example.  Adjuncting is problematic when it becomes the standard model for staffing departments, rather than short-term and temporary fixes for leaves, sabbaticals, and the like.  (I taught 3 semesters as leave replacement myself before I got my tenure-track job.)  I don&#8217;t think that hiring adjuncts to cover leaves and sabbaticals is what&#8217;s driving the adjunctification of higher ed.</p>
<p>I agree that adjuncting can be exploitative.  OTOH, when courses on the schedule needed covering at sometimes the last minute (or even in some cases urgently, in the middle of the term), my adjunct/lecturer friends have stepped up to take on the extra teaching because they needed the dough.  It would have been unfair to expect anyone to volunteer, so I think hiring adjuncts is a more just and realistic solution.  I just don&#8217;t see any other way of solving this problem right now.  (But I&#8217;m open to all serious suggestions.)</p>
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		<title>By: kp</title>
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		<dc:creator>kp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 May 2010 23:19:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you, Historiann, for reading much into what I was saying that I didn&#039;t actually say.  Do I expect a civil response to this follow-up?  I don&#039;t think so.  But I&#039;ll try to keep it as civil as possible nonetheless.

I in fact never said or even implied that there weren&#039;t ever times when adjunct or emergency instructors may be important and necessary.  And I agree that to the extent that there is a semi-permanent academic underclass, they should be eligible for benefits (what I actually said was that, due to their work situations, they&#039;ll generally have less access to the social time needed to ever take advantage of said benefits; I ask this partly tongue-in-cheek and partly seriously: who has time to date, marry, and think about having kids with the commuting and grading load of the average adjunct?).  What I disagree with is the idea that the complicated problem of maternity leave has the simple solution of extending the already bloated use of adjuncts.  And what I really disagree with is the pay scale, the &quot;small (very small!) pots of money&quot; that you recommend storing away to pay adjuncts.  $4000 to teach an entire college level class is really a disgraceful amount to be paying adjuncts with many years of college-level teaching experience (which is the typical level of experience at least in my field of English); and what&#039;s especially disgraceful is that this pay is considered generous is some quarters.  And quite frankly, this issue affects more people for much longer periods of time than maternity leave does.  I&#039;m all for sane and fair handling of maternity leave (and agree that the service requirements of the university in question basically make it no longer any kind of &quot;leave&quot; policy), but my point is that the primary means of solving the issue cannot be to simply extend an already supremely unjust system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, Historiann, for reading much into what I was saying that I didn&#8217;t actually say.  Do I expect a civil response to this follow-up?  I don&#8217;t think so.  But I&#8217;ll try to keep it as civil as possible nonetheless.</p>
<p>I in fact never said or even implied that there weren&#8217;t ever times when adjunct or emergency instructors may be important and necessary.  And I agree that to the extent that there is a semi-permanent academic underclass, they should be eligible for benefits (what I actually said was that, due to their work situations, they&#8217;ll generally have less access to the social time needed to ever take advantage of said benefits; I ask this partly tongue-in-cheek and partly seriously: who has time to date, marry, and think about having kids with the commuting and grading load of the average adjunct?).  What I disagree with is the idea that the complicated problem of maternity leave has the simple solution of extending the already bloated use of adjuncts.  And what I really disagree with is the pay scale, the &#8220;small (very small!) pots of money&#8221; that you recommend storing away to pay adjuncts.  $4000 to teach an entire college level class is really a disgraceful amount to be paying adjuncts with many years of college-level teaching experience (which is the typical level of experience at least in my field of English); and what&#8217;s especially disgraceful is that this pay is considered generous is some quarters.  And quite frankly, this issue affects more people for much longer periods of time than maternity leave does.  I&#8217;m all for sane and fair handling of maternity leave (and agree that the service requirements of the university in question basically make it no longer any kind of &#8220;leave&#8221; policy), but my point is that the primary means of solving the issue cannot be to simply extend an already supremely unjust system.</p>
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		<title>By: Mariella</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mariella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 May 2010 18:23:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to agree with KP: adjuncts should not at all, ever, be the answer. They are just abused laborers.

Instead, I think all lectures should be recorded (it is really so cheap to do that these days), and when the professor is gone, lectures from past semesters should be played. Students or TAs or other profs can step in with grading. Or the prof. on leave can get to it when he/she gets back.

I do agree also with KP that it&#039;s a serious problem that so many academic laborers only WISH they had the social life to have a family and children.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to agree with KP: adjuncts should not at all, ever, be the answer. They are just abused laborers.</p>
<p>Instead, I think all lectures should be recorded (it is really so cheap to do that these days), and when the professor is gone, lectures from past semesters should be played. Students or TAs or other profs can step in with grading. Or the prof. on leave can get to it when he/she gets back.</p>
<p>I do agree also with KP that it&#8217;s a serious problem that so many academic laborers only WISH they had the social life to have a family and children.</p>
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