Comments on: Hillary Clinton on maternal health and abortion services http://www.historiann.com/2010/04/02/hillary-clinton-on-maternal-health-and-abortion-services/ History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present Sat, 20 Sep 2014 07:56:15 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.9.2 By: Janice http://www.historiann.com/2010/04/02/hillary-clinton-on-maternal-health-and-abortion-services/comment-page-1/#comment-590167 Tue, 06 Apr 2010 01:28:58 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=10214#comment-590167 Harper’s a tool but Clinton’s not impressing me overmuch for, as you say, the beam in her eye regarding U.S. domestic policy? It’s pretty darned massive.

In related and interesting news, 52% of Canadians identify themselves as pro-choice — only about half as much identify as anti-abortion: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/ottawa-notebook/majority-backs-abortion-rights/article1519823/

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By: Historiann http://www.historiann.com/2010/04/02/hillary-clinton-on-maternal-health-and-abortion-services/comment-page-1/#comment-589542 Mon, 05 Apr 2010 11:01:04 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=10214#comment-589542 Sorry about the misspelling–how embarassing! But, that’s the world-wide non-peer-reviewed internets for you. I’ll make the correction immediately.

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By: anniethena http://www.historiann.com/2010/04/02/hillary-clinton-on-maternal-health-and-abortion-services/comment-page-1/#comment-588881 Sun, 04 Apr 2010 23:29:21 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=10214#comment-588881 Hi Historiann – I’ve been reading your site for a while now but this is my first time to comment.
I saw this story at the Confluence a couple of days ago and unfortunately they linked to some site where the comments were quite nasty.The sole Canadian commenter said s/he’d supported HRC in the primaries but was angry at her – said something like how dare she, doesn’t she know that in Canada abortions are legal and covered by our UHC?
I tend to focus on news/politics in the US and the world and sometimes miss what happens in my own country. My question was “what is Harper up to? He better not be trying to mess with the status quo on abortion…”.
I went to the CBC home page and couldn’t see a headline about it anywhere – checked under politics too and nada. (I used to watch CBC’s The National regularly but now get most of my news online). I know Harper is a semi-closeted evangelical but didn’t think he’d try to change our laws. Thanks for posting this – I’ll be paying closer attention to this issue now that I’ve got the background scenario. Interesting also that the NYT seems to have completely ignored this. I had to look closely in its “World” section to even find just one of the issues the reporter mentioned of the two previous “beefs”. I think it might have been about the Afghan troops/Canada’s withdrawal plans.
Great post – I really like your site too – but just one quibble: the capital of Canada is Ottawa, not Ottowa. I think JM at Talk Left made the same mistake.
(not just national pride – I grew up there and my parents and 3 siblings still live there!)

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By: Adrienne in CA http://www.historiann.com/2010/04/02/hillary-clinton-on-maternal-health-and-abortion-services/comment-page-1/#comment-587186 Sat, 03 Apr 2010 02:00:28 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=10214#comment-587186 {{{{{Emma}}}}}

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By: Emma http://www.historiann.com/2010/04/02/hillary-clinton-on-maternal-health-and-abortion-services/comment-page-1/#comment-587152 Sat, 03 Apr 2010 01:18:45 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=10214#comment-587152 It’s an atmosphere of “no one else, neither Republican nor Democrat, is to blame for this bill’s shortcomings, only Obama.”

He’s gd leader of the gd Dem party and the gd president. And his gd dem party controls both houses of the gd Congress. Who the f*** else WOULD be responsible? Kee-rist, where’s Harry Truman when you f’ing need him. WHERE does the buck stop again? It ain’t Harry frickin’ Reid or Nancy gd Pelosi, I’ll tell you what.

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By: Emma http://www.historiann.com/2010/04/02/hillary-clinton-on-maternal-health-and-abortion-services/comment-page-1/#comment-587145 Sat, 03 Apr 2010 01:16:30 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=10214#comment-587145 But to be fair to Obama et al., the places they could change policy without dealing with Congress they have changed,

No “they” haven’t. The conscience clause is still in place and cemented even more firmly now into the health bill and given the presidential imprimatur with the Executive order.

My question is this: how do we change the discussion …? How do we provide an alternative to “murdering babies”?

We first start by refusing to make excuses for Obama. A guy who gives the weight of the president to Hyde as “middle ground,” and who repeatedly adjures women to talk to men before getting abortions, isn’t pro-choice.

I’m not so interested in protecting politicians and I’m very irritated that, with Obama’s presidency, we’re being urged to somehow become responsible for his success or take on the burden of making policy work or something like that. I’ve got news for you: compared to the guy sitting in the oval office, the rest of us got bupkus, even if we get together in earnest little groups and talk policy until we’re blue in the face. What you want us to do — that’s their job and I’m not going to do it for them.

They do what I want, or I don’t vote for them. If they want my vote, they’ll figure out how to sell what I want them to do. They’re damn good at selling what the churces want, after all.

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By: Susan http://www.historiann.com/2010/04/02/hillary-clinton-on-maternal-health-and-abortion-services/comment-page-1/#comment-586899 Fri, 02 Apr 2010 22:25:54 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=10214#comment-586899 Yes, US abortion policy sucks, and so does the weasel in the Health Care Bill. But to be fair to Obama et al., the places they could change policy without dealing with Congress they have changed, so at least we now will support family planning overseas. I didn’t notice that when Clinton was in the Senate that she spearheaded the repeal of the Hyde amendment: like all politicians, she works within the range of the possible.

My question is this: how do we change the discussion so that it ISN’T political suicide in large parts of the country to suggest that abortion is a normal part of women’s reproductive health care? How do we provide an alternative to “murdering babies”?

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By: Historiann http://www.historiann.com/2010/04/02/hillary-clinton-on-maternal-health-and-abortion-services/comment-page-1/#comment-586889 Fri, 02 Apr 2010 22:11:38 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=10214#comment-586889 Re: Lady Clinton–I used the term here because we in the U.S. are bereft of honorary terms like those bestowed on senior statesmen and women (i.e. Lady Thatcher.) I mean no disrespect by using the term–in fact, quite the contrary. And, I like the term because it distinguishes her from Lord Clinton, as it were.

As Emma suggests, I think she can say things like this in and about Canada because she’s Secretary of State, and foreign policy is her balliwick. I don’t know what role she’ll take on after her term as Secretary of State–if recent past presidents are any guide, it’s unlikely that she’ll stay on for a second Obama term, if he’s re-elected.

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By: Desiree http://www.historiann.com/2010/04/02/hillary-clinton-on-maternal-health-and-abortion-services/comment-page-1/#comment-586888 Fri, 02 Apr 2010 22:11:08 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=10214#comment-586888 Hillary Clinton is an ok politician in my book, but still just a politician. How come she didn’t speak out recently and earlier about women’s reproductive rights, before our domestic healthcare bill passed, whether her official position is domestic or foreign? We see folks all over the political job spectrum speaking out about all kinds of issues all the time, when it is politically advantageous for them to do so.

My position is that by speaking out now, after the fact of our health bill, she distances herself from how the bill has let down women on reproductive health issues. As far as I heard or saw, she didn’t speak out much about reproductive choice and health coverage as it connected to our health bill, (not speaking is usual for our politicians- we as a nation encourage, accept, and demand this: no stand = job security) and she didn’t cause waves that would put her position in jeopardy. Now she can appear as the anti-bad guy for women. Like it’s all Obama’s fault that this healthcare bill is not all great. It’s an atmosphere of “no one else, neither Republican nor Democrat, is to blame for this bill’s shortcomings, only Obama.”

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By: Adrienne in CA http://www.historiann.com/2010/04/02/hillary-clinton-on-maternal-health-and-abortion-services/comment-page-1/#comment-586855 Fri, 02 Apr 2010 21:45:19 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=10214#comment-586855 Lady Clinton? What’s that supposed to mean? Rather than wishing that she openly challenge her boss’s anti-woman cop out, which would instantly marginalize her and likely cost her her position as SOS, thereby costing us an articulate and effective champion for women’s rights worldwide, I say Thank You, Hillary Clinton! for having the wisdom and subtlety to deliver this clever message that makes her core principles clear and can’t help but rattle some cages back home.

That’s what I call smart power!

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