Comments on: Historically historic hope and change!!!! http://www.historiann.com/2010/03/20/historically-historic-hope-and-change/ History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present Tue, 23 Sep 2014 20:42:44 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.9.2 By: Alicia P. http://www.historiann.com/2010/03/20/historically-historic-hope-and-change/comment-page-1/#comment-578782 Mon, 22 Mar 2010 20:45:53 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=10026#comment-578782 Paul S. the fact is the system we have no is abusing our rights and most social democracy’s are not socialism and have not “abused” anything. In fact I’m applying for citizenship to one such society right now. I’m done with the United States. My vote wasn’t counted in the last election and the two before that were gamed as well and now this from the so called democrats. I’m finished. Canada has universal health care, and I’ve lived there as a landed immigrant before, my vote will matter there, they’ve had a female prime minister without all the hate mongering in the press about it with nary a peep as happened in the U.S. I’m finished. This country doesn’t want women to be equal or have any power and they couldn’t have made it any plainer than they have in the last two years. I’m expecting my application to go through swiftly since I have already completed the landed acceptance before.

Good luck America, I love you but, you don’t love me back and I’m not good at sticking around making excuses for abusers. I don’t have the rest of my life to wait around hoping to be considered as worthy of equality as the rest of my fellow citizens. I don’t plan any namby pamby dual citizenship either. I’ll be renouncing myself as an American though Obama has added extra fines for doing so a while ago..and extra boot your ass out tax penalties too but, I’ll pay the cost. It’ll be the last time I have to pay and it’ll be worth it.

The United States has become nothing but, a burden and I’m tired of fighting for causes for others when they never support women as push comes to shove. No more excuses. I’d like to raise my children in a society that doesn’t see health care as for profit industry and certainly doesn’t see a woman’s right to her own decisions about her body as something that belongs to the government or any religion.

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By: Acid Test » The Silence of the Lambs http://www.historiann.com/2010/03/20/historically-historic-hope-and-change/comment-page-1/#comment-578701 Mon, 22 Mar 2010 17:41:27 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=10026#comment-578701 [...] man out there who’s aware that women are people. All of them not noticeably conscious that women’s most fundamental right was trampled for . . . well, for the obligation to fork over money to private companies. For [...]

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By: Paul S. http://www.historiann.com/2010/03/20/historically-historic-hope-and-change/comment-page-1/#comment-578251 Mon, 22 Mar 2010 02:09:21 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=10026#comment-578251 I definitely don’t think the US (or any other country) has actually achieved “life, liberty, and the pursuit of [or opportunity to pursue] happiness”, but I think it might actually be possible for a society to achieve these as basic rights at some point in human history. Not so much with “liberty, equality, brotherhood”. Liberty – absolutely. Equality is much more tricky and probably not possible as long as humans are still humans, and in practice it requires the suppression of liberty. Brotherhood to me has almost a quasi-fascist sound, implying that everyone must have the same goals, or else. This is probably my latent libertarian streak showing, but I tend to be suspicious of the idea of “communal responsibility” because while people certainly should look out for each other, the fact is that “the good of society” has been used as the justification for some of the most hideous evils in history. Since there are many different versions of “what’s good for society”, in practice when the government acts for “the good of society”, it is choosing one version of this good and forcing everyone to follow it whether they like it or not.

I know that there are much more positive ways to look at ideas like equality and the common good. I just can’t get past how easily they can be abused, and how often they have been historically.

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By: Historiann http://www.historiann.com/2010/03/20/historically-historic-hope-and-change/comment-page-1/#comment-578246 Mon, 22 Mar 2010 01:26:45 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=10026#comment-578246 Paul–thanks! I don’t think we in the U.S. have yet (or will ever) achieve the ideals of “L, L, and the P of H” for everyone. But, I like the way that the French link individual liberty to a communal responsibility for the whole (with the equality and brotherhood part). They’re both aspirational–but they articulate very different aspirations.

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By: Paul S. http://www.historiann.com/2010/03/20/historically-historic-hope-and-change/comment-page-1/#comment-578231 Mon, 22 Mar 2010 01:03:56 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=10026#comment-578231 Welcome back – sorry that the news that greets you isn’t as welcoming.

I do think that “life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness” is a better motto, though, because unlike the French one it is something that might actually be possible for a society to achieve someday.

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By: Historiann http://www.historiann.com/2010/03/20/historically-historic-hope-and-change/comment-page-1/#comment-578226 Mon, 22 Mar 2010 00:51:04 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=10026#comment-578226 “Dems pass a Repulican plan and as it fails Republicans get to run against it.” Yes, exactly. And the President is going to issue an executive order affirming that no, the slutty slutty slut sluts aren’t going to be subsidized.

I swear: Dems are so dumb. HINT to DEMS: Mitch McConnell is NOT the Wallet Inspector! You’d think they’d have at least a little self-respect, but no. I don’t think so.

And, Kathleen–wake up, Princess: this is what 2010 looks like. As I’ve asked before: Where the hell is my flying car?

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By: Emma http://www.historiann.com/2010/03/20/historically-historic-hope-and-change/comment-page-1/#comment-578182 Sun, 21 Mar 2010 23:00:51 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=10026#comment-578182 IMO, Republicans are going to run against HCR in the fall. Biggest targets: mandates and the excise tax on “cadillac” health plans. So, no, they aren’t going to vote for it. It’s the best of both worlds for them: Dems pass a Repulican plan and as it fails Republicans get to run against it.

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By: Indyanna http://www.historiann.com/2010/03/20/historically-historic-hope-and-change/comment-page-1/#comment-578179 Sun, 21 Mar 2010 22:53:38 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=10026#comment-578179 No-bluff on the executive order. This is really an embarrassing and disgraceful way for this thing to have come to its denoument. The Demodog/crats who forced this path should be hunted down. But are there really literally no, as in not ANY, Republicans in the House, who would dare to buck their brownshirt leadership on any aspect of this issue? What a disgrace.

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By: Janice http://www.historiann.com/2010/03/20/historically-historic-hope-and-change/comment-page-1/#comment-578175 Sun, 21 Mar 2010 22:17:02 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=10026#comment-578175 This is a big part of the reason why I’m not pursuing any opportunities to move back to the states. Canadian health care rocks! We have great doctors and we’ve had speedy referrals to specialists for a variety of issues as needed and women have the right to health care without outside interference.

Restricting women’s access to abortion seems to be staying off the agenda right now in Canadian politics, too. The Supreme court, in 1988, struck down abortion laws because they conflict with our Charter of Rights and Freedom promising “life, liberty and security of person.” Go SCC!

The situation is far from perfect, with many women having to travel far to get abortions and some provinces not paying for those done outside of hospitals, but it still makes me proud.

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By: Emma http://www.historiann.com/2010/03/20/historically-historic-hope-and-change/comment-page-1/#comment-578169 Sun, 21 Mar 2010 22:04:55 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=10026#comment-578169 The only people Obama bluffs are on the left. He’s going to sign an anti-choice EO.

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