Comments on: Tempus fugit http://www.historiann.com/2010/03/12/tempus-fugit/ History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present Mon, 20 May 2013 22:12:05 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4 By: Indyanna http://www.historiann.com/2010/03/12/tempus-fugit/comment-page-1/#comment-578685 Indyanna Mon, 22 Mar 2010 16:11:57 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=9974#comment-578685 Big pic and small mention of Courtney & Hole ("entirely new lineup") in the NYT's roundup on SXSW today. The verdict: "....a glimpse of old-school rock stardom. In professionally noisy grunge rockers and newer power ballads, Ms. Love growled, rasped and howled; between them she trash-talked and played diva, confident that the audience was fascinated by her..." Big pic and small mention of Courtney & Hole (“entirely new lineup”) in the NYT’s roundup on SXSW today. The verdict: “….a glimpse of old-school rock stardom. In professionally noisy grunge rockers and newer power ballads, Ms. Love growled, rasped and howled; between them she trash-talked and played diva, confident that the audience was fascinated by her…”

]]> By: Jacob http://www.historiann.com/2010/03/12/tempus-fugit/comment-page-1/#comment-576777 Jacob Thu, 18 Mar 2010 17:56:54 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=9974#comment-576777 I don't have any detailed analysis about Nirvana and Hole and babies, fetuses, etc., but I remember reading somewhere that Kurt Cobain was obsessed with reproduction. At least one of Nirvana's CD singles ("All Apologies") had artwork featuring seahorses, because they are one species in which males give birth. I think Cobain's journals have some seahorse drawings, too. That doesn't really answer the question, but there it is. I don’t have any detailed analysis about Nirvana and Hole and babies, fetuses, etc., but I remember reading somewhere that Kurt Cobain was obsessed with reproduction. At least one of Nirvana’s CD singles (“All Apologies”) had artwork featuring seahorses, because they are one species in which males give birth. I think Cobain’s journals have some seahorse drawings, too. That doesn’t really answer the question, but there it is.

]]> By: Indyanna http://www.historiann.com/2010/03/12/tempus-fugit/comment-page-1/#comment-575760 Indyanna Tue, 16 Mar 2010 17:57:06 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=9974#comment-575760 Oh, Wow! A live thread!!! Talk about Nirvanna. Is it next week yet? Spring Break is over, the Long March is (back) on, and I'm missing my Historianzz. Tempus Drageth. I wonder what they're making in Potterville tonight? Oh, well. Happy St. Patrick's Day everybody. Oh, Wow! A live thread!!! Talk about Nirvanna. Is it next week yet? Spring Break is over, the Long March is (back) on, and I’m missing my Historianzz. Tempus Drageth. I wonder what they’re making in Potterville tonight? Oh, well. Happy St. Patrick’s Day everybody.

]]> By: mandor http://www.historiann.com/2010/03/12/tempus-fugit/comment-page-1/#comment-575391 mandor Mon, 15 Mar 2010 22:49:17 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=9974#comment-575391 The 90's must be on the verge of a comeback--I just came across this blog earlier today about 90's feminist nostalgia: http://90swoman.wordpress.com/ The 90′s must be on the verge of a comeback–I just came across this blog earlier today about 90′s feminist nostalgia: http://90swoman.wordpress.com/

]]> By: Matt L http://www.historiann.com/2010/03/12/tempus-fugit/comment-page-1/#comment-575288 Matt L Mon, 15 Mar 2010 17:23:26 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=9974#comment-575288 I miss the 90s. I lived in Seattle for a while. I had great roommates, the beer was outstanding. My only possessions were a motorcycle, a mac plus and a pile of books. I actually had the time to go to see music in bars and clubs like Rock Candy (For a while I lived in a basement apartment two blocks away - I don't, however, miss finding crack vials on my doorstep). I agree with Historiann & Frau Tech, that period between November 1989 and September 2001 was pretty sweet. The highs were high (Fall of the Wall) and the lows were low (Kurt Cobain anyone?). Now I just have to make sure that I don't dwell in Nostalgia. As an undergrad I always resented the way some (not all) of my Baby boomer professors lauded the 60s as the be all and end all of existence. I don't want to be an old fart blathering about Nirvana and Pearl Jam. But I will tell you, kids these days don't know noth'in about punk rock... I miss the 90s. I lived in Seattle for a while. I had great roommates, the beer was outstanding. My only possessions were a motorcycle, a mac plus and a pile of books. I actually had the time to go to see music in bars and clubs like Rock Candy (For a while I lived in a basement apartment two blocks away – I don’t, however, miss finding crack vials on my doorstep).

I agree with Historiann & Frau Tech, that period between November 1989 and September 2001 was pretty sweet. The highs were high (Fall of the Wall) and the lows were low (Kurt Cobain anyone?). Now I just have to make sure that I don’t dwell in Nostalgia. As an undergrad I always resented the way some (not all) of my Baby boomer professors lauded the 60s as the be all and end all of existence. I don’t want to be an old fart blathering about Nirvana and Pearl Jam.

But I will tell you, kids these days don’t know noth’in about punk rock…

]]> By: Profane http://www.historiann.com/2010/03/12/tempus-fugit/comment-page-1/#comment-574358 Profane Sat, 13 Mar 2010 15:37:33 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=9974#comment-574358 http://www.amazon.com/Rebels-Wit-Attitude-Subversive-Humorists/dp/1593762062 http://www.amazon.com/Rebels-Wit-Attitude-Subversive-Humorists/dp/1593762062

]]> By: Indyanna http://www.historiann.com/2010/03/12/tempus-fugit/comment-page-1/#comment-574101 Indyanna Sat, 13 Mar 2010 03:22:18 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=9974#comment-574101 On the parenthetical query in the original post, above, it seems that Iain Ellis wrote a dissertation in 1993 in the Popular Culture program at Bowling Green entitled" "U/dys/topian Significations: The Dissemination of the Punk Aesthetic across 1980s American Culture." This came up in response to a keyword search for Nirvana, but the abstract is pretty, well, dense, and it's not clear whether or not the band figures in either the database or the analysis. Ellis now teaches at the University of Kansas, and you hard core fans out there might prefer to go with his book _Rebels Wit Attitude: Subversive Rock Humorists_ (no date, place, or publisher specified). On the parenthetical query in the original post, above, it seems that Iain Ellis wrote a dissertation in 1993 in the Popular Culture program at Bowling Green entitled” “U/dys/topian Significations: The Dissemination of the Punk Aesthetic across 1980s American Culture.” This came up in response to a keyword search for Nirvana, but the abstract is pretty, well, dense, and it’s not clear whether or not the band figures in either the database or the analysis. Ellis now teaches at the University of Kansas, and you hard core fans out there might prefer to go with his book _Rebels Wit Attitude: Subversive Rock Humorists_ (no date, place, or publisher specified).

]]> By: Sisyphus http://www.historiann.com/2010/03/12/tempus-fugit/comment-page-1/#comment-574032 Sisyphus Sat, 13 Mar 2010 01:09:12 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=9974#comment-574032 Ahh, thanks for reminding me of Punk Rock Girl! Love it! And there actually is an article on riot grrl rock, including Hole, in one of the WS journals .... it won a grad student writing award or something. I found it when trying to put together a WS class on pop culture and thought it was terribly written, just really simplistic, bad analysis. Of course on of the other writing award articles in that journal was on Road to Wellville and that was not only simplistic and bad, but getting important factual details wrong from the movie! But, I just am against scholarship that points to cultural works as "proof something happened" without thinking at all about how a singer or writer or director is shaping the narrative to make present a worldview. To say nothing of the ways institutions or media industries shape what gets out there. Ahh, thanks for reminding me of Punk Rock Girl! Love it!

And there actually is an article on riot grrl rock, including Hole, in one of the WS journals …. it won a grad student writing award or something. I found it when trying to put together a WS class on pop culture and thought it was terribly written, just really simplistic, bad analysis. Of course on of the other writing award articles in that journal was on Road to Wellville and that was not only simplistic and bad, but getting important factual details wrong from the movie! But, I just am against scholarship that points to cultural works as “proof something happened” without thinking at all about how a singer or writer or director is shaping the narrative to make present a worldview. To say nothing of the ways institutions or media industries shape what gets out there.

]]> By: Fratguy http://www.historiann.com/2010/03/12/tempus-fugit/comment-page-1/#comment-574014 Fratguy Sat, 13 Mar 2010 00:26:16 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=9974#comment-574014 I have had "Reasons to be Beautiful" (the track immediately following "Malibu") on auto repeat all day. Thanks for the inspiration Historiann, though I can't say the officemates share the same sentiment. I have had “Reasons to be Beautiful” (the track immediately following “Malibu”) on auto repeat all day. Thanks for the inspiration Historiann, though I can’t say the officemates share the same sentiment.

]]> By: Trudy http://www.historiann.com/2010/03/12/tempus-fugit/comment-page-1/#comment-573984 Trudy Fri, 12 Mar 2010 23:03:05 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=9974#comment-573984 Interesting. Hole and Nirvana were a big part of my life in the 90s and yet, I hadn't thought of those allusions till you mentioned it. Could it be related to the "slacker" ethos of the time, the so-called refusal to grow up and become part of the Capitalist machine, etc. etc.?? Most people I knew then did have jobs and weren't slackers, but I do recall that the slackerdom thing was all over the media. Interesting. Hole and Nirvana were a big part of my life in the 90s and yet, I hadn’t thought of those allusions till you mentioned it. Could it be related to the “slacker” ethos of the time, the so-called refusal to grow up and become part of the Capitalist machine, etc. etc.?? Most people I knew then did have jobs and weren’t slackers, but I do recall that the slackerdom thing was all over the media.

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