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		<title>By: Alas, a blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; linkspam: Why didn’t you call the police? Part One</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alas, a blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; linkspam: Why didn’t you call the police? Part One</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 May 2010 01:57:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] even when you get a good cop, the system and society itself is really, really, really really, [...]</description>
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		<title>By: The line, a film by Nancy Schwartzman : Historiann : History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present</title>
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		<dc:creator>The line, a film by Nancy Schwartzman : Historiann : History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 13:20:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I&#8217;ve got a new lecture on rape as a tool for social control in early America that I&#8217;ve added to my classes recently.  Last spring, when I gave the lecture for the first time, I was extremely disappointed (although sadly, not surprised) that the first comment on it was from a woman student who told us about how a friend of hers falsely accused a man of rape.  Another woman student agreed&#8211;yes, apparently, the biggest problem with rape among college women today in their view is that so many men were falsely accused.  It was as though in a class of both men and women students, these women were eager to reassure the men that of course she didn&#8217;t think they were rapists.  (As though my lecture were an accusation?)  Like slavery and coverture, my students last spring were desperate to convince themselves that rape is in fact a crime so terrible that it never, ever happens any more.  (As we discussed a few weeks ago, postfeminist ideology means that there are no victims any more.) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I&#8217;ve got a new lecture on rape as a tool for social control in early America that I&#8217;ve added to my classes recently.  Last spring, when I gave the lecture for the first time, I was extremely disappointed (although sadly, not surprised) that the first comment on it was from a woman student who told us about how a friend of hers falsely accused a man of rape.  Another woman student agreed&#8211;yes, apparently, the biggest problem with rape among college women today in their view is that so many men were falsely accused.  It was as though in a class of both men and women students, these women were eager to reassure the men that of course she didn&#8217;t think they were rapists.  (As though my lecture were an accusation?)  Like slavery and coverture, my students last spring were desperate to convince themselves that rape is in fact a crime so terrible that it never, ever happens any more.  (As we discussed a few weeks ago, postfeminist ideology means that there are no victims any more.) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: fannie</title>
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		<dc:creator>fannie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 18:44:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It turns out they have been told that because of their daughter’s privacy rights they can’t talk about what is happening to her,&quot;

Others are correct in noting that HIPAA would not apply as that law only applies to certain entities, mothers (and certainly the patient herself) not being one of them.  I&#039;m not an expert on every state&#039;s laws, but I am not aware of any law that makes it illegal for a private individual who isn&#039;t obligated under confidentiality rules (eg- attorney/client, doctor/patient, counselor/client) to disclose whether someone has been raped.  For instance, in the case of HIV/AIDS, Illinois has a law that makes it illegal for even private individuals to disclose someone&#039;s HIV+ status.  I know of no law like that with respect to rape.

I suspect that whoever told the mother that talking about her daughter&#039;s rape would infringe the daughter&#039;s &quot;privacy rights&quot; actually meant &quot;it&#039;s not illegal, but you should respect your daughter&#039;s privacy.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It turns out they have been told that because of their daughter’s privacy rights they can’t talk about what is happening to her,&#8221;</p>
<p>Others are correct in noting that HIPAA would not apply as that law only applies to certain entities, mothers (and certainly the patient herself) not being one of them.  I&#8217;m not an expert on every state&#8217;s laws, but I am not aware of any law that makes it illegal for a private individual who isn&#8217;t obligated under confidentiality rules (eg- attorney/client, doctor/patient, counselor/client) to disclose whether someone has been raped.  For instance, in the case of HIV/AIDS, Illinois has a law that makes it illegal for even private individuals to disclose someone&#8217;s HIV+ status.  I know of no law like that with respect to rape.</p>
<p>I suspect that whoever told the mother that talking about her daughter&#8217;s rape would infringe the daughter&#8217;s &#8220;privacy rights&#8221; actually meant &#8220;it&#8217;s not illegal, but you should respect your daughter&#8217;s privacy.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Historiann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Historiann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 22:04:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave--no problem.  I understood what you meant, so I missed your typo, too!

Emma, thanks for your comments about language.  Sungold, I&#039;m just disturbed by the erasure of the law that the term &quot;accuser&quot; implies.  After all, Kobe Bryant was charged by the D.A. with sexual assault--it wasn&#039;t a civil case with the victim making the &quot;accusation&quot; all alone.  The D.A. had decided that a crime had been committed, and that Bryant was the perpetrator, therefore it was D.A. Mark Hurlbert and the people of the state of Colorado who were the &quot;accusers.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave&#8211;no problem.  I understood what you meant, so I missed your typo, too!</p>
<p>Emma, thanks for your comments about language.  Sungold, I&#8217;m just disturbed by the erasure of the law that the term &#8220;accuser&#8221; implies.  After all, Kobe Bryant was charged by the D.A. with sexual assault&#8211;it wasn&#8217;t a civil case with the victim making the &#8220;accusation&#8221; all alone.  The D.A. had decided that a crime had been committed, and that Bryant was the perpetrator, therefore it was D.A. Mark Hurlbert and the people of the state of Colorado who were the &#8220;accusers.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Western Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Western Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 21:23:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Less isolated and alone.  less isolated and alone.  Dear God, I meant to say less isolated and alone.  BTW, high school teacher on a small private high school.  So the heads up option is only somewhat possible b/c everybody knows everybody&#039;s business and opting out of a particular class would spread like wildfire.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Less isolated and alone.  less isolated and alone.  Dear God, I meant to say less isolated and alone.  BTW, high school teacher on a small private high school.  So the heads up option is only somewhat possible b/c everybody knows everybody&#8217;s business and opting out of a particular class would spread like wildfire.</p>
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		<title>By: hysperia</title>
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		<dc:creator>hysperia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 09:17:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fantastic post, great discussion in comments - thanks so much. I just wanted to add a couple of references to articles by Constance Backhouse on rape in 19th C Canada:

&quot;Nineteenth Century Judicial Attitudes Toward Child Custody, Rape and Prostitution&quot; in Sheilah L. Martin and Kathleen E. Mahoney, eds., Equality and Judicial Neutrality (Toronto: Carswell, 1987) 271-281  

and:

&quot;Nineteenth-Century Canadian Rape Law 1800-1892&quot; in David H. Flaherty, ed. Essays in the History of Canadian Law v.2, (Toronto: University of Toronto Press, 1983) 200-247 

No linkies, sorry.  :-(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fantastic post, great discussion in comments &#8211; thanks so much. I just wanted to add a couple of references to articles by Constance Backhouse on rape in 19th C Canada:</p>
<p>&#8220;Nineteenth Century Judicial Attitudes Toward Child Custody, Rape and Prostitution&#8221; in Sheilah L. Martin and Kathleen E. Mahoney, eds., Equality and Judicial Neutrality (Toronto: Carswell, 1987) 271-281  </p>
<p>and:</p>
<p>&#8220;Nineteenth-Century Canadian Rape Law 1800-1892&#8243; in David H. Flaherty, ed. Essays in the History of Canadian Law v.2, (Toronto: University of Toronto Press, 1983) 200-247 </p>
<p>No linkies, sorry.  <img src='http://www.historiann.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':-(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Emma</title>
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		<dc:creator>Emma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 19:08:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;One point, though, on the use of “accuser” and “accused”: The media have to use this language, along with terms like “alleged assault,” until a crime has been proven in court.&lt;/i&gt;

Not exactly.  The media can use &quot;rape victim&quot; or &quot;crime victim&quot; without worry.  They can also say rape or assault without putting alleged in front of it.  They shouldn&#039;t, however, call someone a rapist, and will say &quot;alleged rapist&quot; or &quot;accused rapist&quot;, unless they don&#039;t care if they&#039;re sued for defamation.  Because if you call someone a rapist and he&#039;s later acquitted of the crime, he&#039;ll probably sue you for defamation.

Relatedly, the refusal to identify a rape victim is a media convention, and is not required by law.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>One point, though, on the use of “accuser” and “accused”: The media have to use this language, along with terms like “alleged assault,” until a crime has been proven in court.</i></p>
<p>Not exactly.  The media can use &#8220;rape victim&#8221; or &#8220;crime victim&#8221; without worry.  They can also say rape or assault without putting alleged in front of it.  They shouldn&#8217;t, however, call someone a rapist, and will say &#8220;alleged rapist&#8221; or &#8220;accused rapist&#8221;, unless they don&#8217;t care if they&#8217;re sued for defamation.  Because if you call someone a rapist and he&#8217;s later acquitted of the crime, he&#8217;ll probably sue you for defamation.</p>
<p>Relatedly, the refusal to identify a rape victim is a media convention, and is not required by law.</p>
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		<title>By: Perpetua</title>
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		<dc:creator>Perpetua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 13:34:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Western Dave: I teach an article about a rape case in one of my classes.  I&#039;ve never had a student talk to me about it, except in a positive sense, but I always make sure to warn them that the article is &quot;graphic&quot; and may be &quot;disturbing&quot; to them (and I&#039;m clear that it&#039;s about rape, not just randomly sexually graphic).  If someone heard me say that and came up to me before class, I would think of an alternative article for them to read and excuse them from the class.  It hasn&#039;t happened yet, but that&#039;s why the disclaimer is there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Western Dave: I teach an article about a rape case in one of my classes.  I&#8217;ve never had a student talk to me about it, except in a positive sense, but I always make sure to warn them that the article is &#8220;graphic&#8221; and may be &#8220;disturbing&#8221; to them (and I&#8217;m clear that it&#8217;s about rape, not just randomly sexually graphic).  If someone heard me say that and came up to me before class, I would think of an alternative article for them to read and excuse them from the class.  It hasn&#8217;t happened yet, but that&#8217;s why the disclaimer is there.</p>
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		<title>By: Sungold</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sungold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Feb 2010 21:27:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Historian, you make really important, sound points about the way &quot;privacy&quot; is used to make rape disappear. I&#039;ve spent a little time reading HIPAA law and I concur that there&#039;s nothing in it that&#039;s applicable to what parents tell their friends. The mother&#039;s guide there should be the feelings of her daughter, and any counselor who suggests she&#039;s breaking the law is full of it.

One point, though, on the use of &quot;accuser&quot; and &quot;accused&quot;: The media have to use this language, along with terms like &quot;alleged assault,&quot; until a crime has been proven in court. Otherwise they could be sued for libel. I did the same thing a while back on a post dealing with the humiliation of a rape victim in a local court - I referred to them as accuser or accused, even though I was quite certain that he was guilty. However, he&#039;d been acquitted in court, and I didn&#039;t want to be dragged into court myself. 

I get your point about how this totally plays into the discourse on women falsely crying rape. Legally, though, I don&#039;t see any alternative for the media. 

This legal quandary, by the way, explains why Z found that only the police were able to refer to her - privately - as a victim. If they&#039;d been speaking with the media, the police would&#039;ve had to qualify that as &quot;alleged victim.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Historian, you make really important, sound points about the way &#8220;privacy&#8221; is used to make rape disappear. I&#8217;ve spent a little time reading HIPAA law and I concur that there&#8217;s nothing in it that&#8217;s applicable to what parents tell their friends. The mother&#8217;s guide there should be the feelings of her daughter, and any counselor who suggests she&#8217;s breaking the law is full of it.</p>
<p>One point, though, on the use of &#8220;accuser&#8221; and &#8220;accused&#8221;: The media have to use this language, along with terms like &#8220;alleged assault,&#8221; until a crime has been proven in court. Otherwise they could be sued for libel. I did the same thing a while back on a post dealing with the humiliation of a rape victim in a local court &#8211; I referred to them as accuser or accused, even though I was quite certain that he was guilty. However, he&#8217;d been acquitted in court, and I didn&#8217;t want to be dragged into court myself. </p>
<p>I get your point about how this totally plays into the discourse on women falsely crying rape. Legally, though, I don&#8217;t see any alternative for the media. </p>
<p>This legal quandary, by the way, explains why Z found that only the police were able to refer to her &#8211; privately &#8211; as a victim. If they&#8217;d been speaking with the media, the police would&#8217;ve had to qualify that as &#8220;alleged victim.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: thefrogprincess</title>
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		<dc:creator>thefrogprincess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Feb 2010 18:21:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another way rape is &quot;disappeared&quot; is through the overemphasis on and disproportionate publicity of false accusations. To my knowledge, the rates of false accusations in rape cases are no higher than false accusations in other crimes and yet the possibility/probability of a false accusation hang over every woman who presses charges. Also troubling is how up in arms people get when white men are falsely accused, which, though horrible, happens to black (and probably hispanic) men all the time without any concern.

The only significant experience I&#039;ve had with rape is when a friend falsely claimed to have been attacked and almost raped. We didn&#039;t find out for a few years that she&#039;d made false claims; it was devastating to find out and it&#039;s lucky for everyone involved that nobody had ever been arrested or jailed for the &quot;crime.&quot; But despite that being my only significant experience, I will believe a woman until given solid evidence otherwise. Rape is perhaps the only crime where the evidence of that crime can so easily be explained away, especially since it usually is not committed by a stranger in the bushes. So somebody has to take it seriously.

[Also about anonymous, Historiann, you have more data than I do but it is possible that said person was using legitimate proxy servers/VPNs.]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another way rape is &#8220;disappeared&#8221; is through the overemphasis on and disproportionate publicity of false accusations. To my knowledge, the rates of false accusations in rape cases are no higher than false accusations in other crimes and yet the possibility/probability of a false accusation hang over every woman who presses charges. Also troubling is how up in arms people get when white men are falsely accused, which, though horrible, happens to black (and probably hispanic) men all the time without any concern.</p>
<p>The only significant experience I&#8217;ve had with rape is when a friend falsely claimed to have been attacked and almost raped. We didn&#8217;t find out for a few years that she&#8217;d made false claims; it was devastating to find out and it&#8217;s lucky for everyone involved that nobody had ever been arrested or jailed for the &#8220;crime.&#8221; But despite that being my only significant experience, I will believe a woman until given solid evidence otherwise. Rape is perhaps the only crime where the evidence of that crime can so easily be explained away, especially since it usually is not committed by a stranger in the bushes. So somebody has to take it seriously.</p>
<p>[Also about anonymous, Historiann, you have more data than I do but it is possible that said person was using legitimate proxy servers/VPNs.]</p>
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