Comments on: The academic life: movin’ on, part II http://www.historiann.com/2010/02/24/the-academic-life-movin-on-part-ii/ History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present Fri, 19 Sep 2014 13:41:03 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.9.2 By: Resigning without regrets : Historiann : History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present http://www.historiann.com/2010/02/24/the-academic-life-movin-on-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-566853 Tue, 02 Mar 2010 15:59:17 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=9705#comment-566853 [...] been happy for them, and proud on their behalf.  (It’s a small consolation for those of us left behind!  Please don’t take it away from me.)  Other people will seek jobs because their current [...]

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By: Library of Congress blogging… « More or Less Bunk http://www.historiann.com/2010/02/24/the-academic-life-movin-on-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-563527 Thu, 25 Feb 2010 15:56:29 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=9705#comment-563527 [...] Note to Historiann: Don’t you think this might have something to do with the fact that the Colorado budget situation is only marginally [...]

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By: Historiann http://www.historiann.com/2010/02/24/the-academic-life-movin-on-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-563524 Thu, 25 Feb 2010 15:38:24 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=9705#comment-563524 Shaz: absolutely! I think you and GayProf would have a great time together.

Lance makes a great point–the urge to hire Associates may have more to do with hiring people who’ve already published a book so that they can do more of the heavy lifting in a department than an Assistant. They may already have had a sabbatical paid for by their previous uni too–always a bonus. So, you can extract more work out of them for a relatively modest investment! Yippee.

Comrade PP–my sense is that by the time sciency people are promoted to Associate, they’re basically living off of grant money they bring in, so there’s even more incentive to hire at the Associate rank. (No need to invest startup money in those folks.)

Thanks for all of your nice comments. I’m sorry that (once again?) so many of you identify with the feeling. Rad, I do like the west–especially this winter. You folks in the East are having an epic winter–and the snow is all heavy and wet there! Even when we get clobbered here, it’s all powder snow. I can shovel the driveway off with a broom, even when there’s more than 6 or 8 inches. (Only a slight exaggeration–but I have to say that I really don’t get why people have snow blowers here. The snow blows itself off, practically–or evaporates, compared to that wet concrete in the East.

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By: Rad Readr http://www.historiann.com/2010/02/24/the-academic-life-movin-on-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-563334 Thu, 25 Feb 2010 06:58:20 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=9705#comment-563334 Oh my, your post has reminded of how sad I was…when you left town, Historiann!! But you were onto something heading west.

Re: associate hiring. I talked to a friend at a major research univ. recently and heard they had decided to hire mostly at the associate level. And back when my dept was still hiring we were mostly doing adv. asst/assoc/full hires.

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By: Hotshot Harry http://www.historiann.com/2010/02/24/the-academic-life-movin-on-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-563184 Thu, 25 Feb 2010 03:13:40 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=9705#comment-563184 Sorry to hear this news, Historiann. Not so long ago I was the one shaking the dust of Potterville off my boots. (BTW, I’m certain you walked e.j.’s dog at least once. It was a rite of passage that included a potty visit to the office sign of a certain former congresswoman from the Potterville area.) I’ll second much of what Tom said; I’m in my first year of a new job, and I’m finding that ten years of teaching experience is of very little help in the end. The photocopier was the easy part. I’m really struggling to find out where my students are at. Funny the things we take for granted.

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By: Comrade PhysioProf http://www.historiann.com/2010/02/24/the-academic-life-movin-on-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-563176 Thu, 25 Feb 2010 02:48:48 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=9705#comment-563176 In the biomedical disciplines, no one moves as assistant professor. Once you are promoted to associate, if you are well-funded and have published well, you can be very mobile.

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By: Lance http://www.historiann.com/2010/02/24/the-academic-life-movin-on-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-563110 Thu, 25 Feb 2010 01:57:41 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=9705#comment-563110 This hits me hard. In the past four years, I’ve lost 5 close friends – all Assistants, none in History. I miss them. And I’m really not eager to “replace” them with new friends.

I’ve also been on 10 search committees in the past 5 years. 10! We hired 8 Assistants. All but two were advanced enough that their books were either out at the time, or have since come out. Here, at least, we are approaching the point at which getting *a job* requires a book, or a book in production.

But, to get to Historiann’s point, my own experience has been that if you have any administrative talent whatsoever – even mediocre – and you couple it with an adequate publication record, the market will find you at any rank. Of course, the market will expect you to continue as an administrator/servant of some department’s will. And that isn’t always in your best interest.

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By: Paul S. http://www.historiann.com/2010/02/24/the-academic-life-movin-on-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-563083 Thu, 25 Feb 2010 01:25:46 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=9705#comment-563083 As common as it is, there is a real sense of loss when a coworker that you have become friends with leaves. At least that’s been my experience, so I understand the sadness involved.

On a different note, the other New England states aren’t (quite) as small as Rhode Island. The reason Rhode Island exists is so that even people in Massachusetts and Connecticut have a neighbor that they can look down on for being tiny.*

*(Just kidding, Rhode Islanders!)

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By: Tony Grafton http://www.historiann.com/2010/02/24/the-academic-life-movin-on-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-563082 Thu, 25 Feb 2010 01:25:24 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=9705#comment-563082 Just a clarification: it’s a particular set, the little group of people of my generation–late 60s undergraduates, 70s grad students, who all read the same P & P and History Workshop articles and the same books by Natalie Davis and Michael Baxandall and Carlo Ginsburg, with whom I started out–they’re the ones who have scattered to schools from California to Oxford. One way some of us keep in touch is by collaborative writing: that keeps the emails moving and the Skype on, as each of us corrects the other . . .

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By: shaz http://www.historiann.com/2010/02/24/the-academic-life-movin-on-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-563076 Thu, 25 Feb 2010 00:43:18 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=9705#comment-563076 There may be institutional inhibitions to hiring Associates still: at my state research U, retired faculty lines come back to us at the Assistant level; the Dean would need to find funds to bump it up to Associate or higher, which doesn’t happen much in these economic times.

So we’ve done contortions (which I don’t recommend) to hire people who should be Associates as Assistants. They then get tenure in a year. So those are sort of associate hires, but points to the lack of hiring flexibility still at the Associate level.

PS. Can I come to the slumber party?

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