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	<title>Comments on: Sunday round-up:  education and the arts edition</title>
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		<title>By: College Inc. : Historiann : History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present</title>
		<link>http://www.historiann.com/2010/01/31/sunday-round-up-education-and-the-arts-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-612696</link>
		<dc:creator>College Inc. : Historiann : History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 May 2010 12:12:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] entertainment value in the interview with Secretary of Education Arne Duncan, who is in fact just as dumb and unprepared as I told you he was.  I guess there&#8217;s more money and political advantage in beating up on [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] entertainment value in the interview with Secretary of Education Arne Duncan, who is in fact just as dumb and unprepared as I told you he was.  I guess there&#8217;s more money and political advantage in beating up on [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Adjuncting: for fun and profit? : Historiann : History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present</title>
		<link>http://www.historiann.com/2010/01/31/sunday-round-up-education-and-the-arts-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-545752</link>
		<dc:creator>Adjuncting: for fun and profit? : Historiann : History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 14:03:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] article captures all of the contradictory beliefs about education that we were discussing in the previous thread:  1) There&#8217;s no special training required&#8211;anyone can do it, 2) For money!, 3) Except, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] article captures all of the contradictory beliefs about education that we were discussing in the previous thread:  1) There&#8217;s no special training required&#8211;anyone can do it, 2) For money!, 3) Except, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: perpetua</title>
		<link>http://www.historiann.com/2010/01/31/sunday-round-up-education-and-the-arts-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-545737</link>
		<dc:creator>perpetua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 13:43:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The term mansplaining is hilarious, and the comments to the post in the link were amazing examples of it.  It would be even more hilarious if mansplaining wasn&#039;t a regular and permanent feature of most women&#039;s lives.  Don&#039;t you love it when your male students try to mansplain you?  That&#039;s my favorite.  

I&#039;ve certainly been given little lectures about my area of historical expertise by older men with absolutely no qualifications except too much time with the history channel.

And I agree with John S that while mansplaining specifically is about gendered interactions, the phenomenon is attached to power and privilege and therefore reproduces itself in different iterations across the board.  (Thus it can be a good lesson for everyone, to check their privilege and think about what they&#039;re saying and how they&#039;re saying it.) I know people of color loved to be told about their experiences from white folks. And the queer community is always relieved when the straights set them um, straight.  Etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The term mansplaining is hilarious, and the comments to the post in the link were amazing examples of it.  It would be even more hilarious if mansplaining wasn&#8217;t a regular and permanent feature of most women&#8217;s lives.  Don&#8217;t you love it when your male students try to mansplain you?  That&#8217;s my favorite.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve certainly been given little lectures about my area of historical expertise by older men with absolutely no qualifications except too much time with the history channel.</p>
<p>And I agree with John S that while mansplaining specifically is about gendered interactions, the phenomenon is attached to power and privilege and therefore reproduces itself in different iterations across the board.  (Thus it can be a good lesson for everyone, to check their privilege and think about what they&#8217;re saying and how they&#8217;re saying it.) I know people of color loved to be told about their experiences from white folks. And the queer community is always relieved when the straights set them um, straight.  Etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Comrade Svilova</title>
		<link>http://www.historiann.com/2010/01/31/sunday-round-up-education-and-the-arts-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-545734</link>
		<dc:creator>Comrade Svilova</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 13:38:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, yes; I guess there isn&#039;t much hope that the &quot;son&quot; would enter into a contest with the &quot;father&quot; on an equal basis! Like you said before ... patriarchy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, yes; I guess there isn&#8217;t much hope that the &#8220;son&#8221; would enter into a contest with the &#8220;father&#8221; on an equal basis! Like you said before &#8230; patriarchy.</p>
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		<title>By: John S.</title>
		<link>http://www.historiann.com/2010/01/31/sunday-round-up-education-and-the-arts-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-545492</link>
		<dc:creator>John S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 08:02:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Comrade: I do see your point. And I think that even if one were to broaden the idea of mansplaining to incorporate male-male interactions, I would never suggest that the phenomenon would work exactly the same way as it does in interactions between men and women. But I do still think that there&#039;s a gendered element to these male-male interactions. Or at least, having been on the business end of such monologues, I suspect so. One of the things I have noticed being in the &quot;junior&quot; position is that the &quot;senior&quot; man doesn&#039;t even consider it a contest; his expertise on a particular topic is a given (by virtue of whatever measuring stick there is).

(It does raise a question, though--is gender &quot;absent&quot; when men are struggling for status, even when it is implicit that women aren&#039;t part of the interaction? I have always assumed that it&#039;s there when you&#039;re talking about men playing the part of the &quot;father&quot; or &quot;boss,&quot; since those roles have such masculinist connotations. But I could be off base here.)

I can fully grant that mansplaining best explains men treating women in this particular manner. After all, men still have the term &quot;d!ck-s!z!ng&quot; to describe their lamest forms of jockeying for authority.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Comrade: I do see your point. And I think that even if one were to broaden the idea of mansplaining to incorporate male-male interactions, I would never suggest that the phenomenon would work exactly the same way as it does in interactions between men and women. But I do still think that there&#8217;s a gendered element to these male-male interactions. Or at least, having been on the business end of such monologues, I suspect so. One of the things I have noticed being in the &#8220;junior&#8221; position is that the &#8220;senior&#8221; man doesn&#8217;t even consider it a contest; his expertise on a particular topic is a given (by virtue of whatever measuring stick there is).</p>
<p>(It does raise a question, though&#8211;is gender &#8220;absent&#8221; when men are struggling for status, even when it is implicit that women aren&#8217;t part of the interaction? I have always assumed that it&#8217;s there when you&#8217;re talking about men playing the part of the &#8220;father&#8221; or &#8220;boss,&#8221; since those roles have such masculinist connotations. But I could be off base here.)</p>
<p>I can fully grant that mansplaining best explains men treating women in this particular manner. After all, men still have the term &#8220;d!ck-s!z!ng&#8221; to describe their lamest forms of jockeying for authority.</p>
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		<title>By: Comrade Svilova</title>
		<link>http://www.historiann.com/2010/01/31/sunday-round-up-education-and-the-arts-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-545281</link>
		<dc:creator>Comrade Svilova</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 04:50:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops, forgot to add:

John, I&#039;ve been wondering whether there&#039;s a difference in the interaction if the person who is being condescended to is also a man. Does it become more of a jockeying-for-power dynamic? I guess I&#039;m thinking about all of the size-related competitions that are our society&#039;s favored mode of representation of one male&#039;s power over other males ... whereas since women aren&#039;t even in the running in those size-based competitions, &quot;mansplaining&quot; refers to that implicit assumption that the woman isn&#039;t just subordinate in the race for authority, but that she can&#039;t even take part in the competition?

And Historiann, I&#039;ve been a long time reader and very excited to join in the discussion on your blog at last! Thanks for the always interesting posts, and I hope you don&#039;t mind me throwing in my $0.02.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops, forgot to add:</p>
<p>John, I&#8217;ve been wondering whether there&#8217;s a difference in the interaction if the person who is being condescended to is also a man. Does it become more of a jockeying-for-power dynamic? I guess I&#8217;m thinking about all of the size-related competitions that are our society&#8217;s favored mode of representation of one male&#8217;s power over other males &#8230; whereas since women aren&#8217;t even in the running in those size-based competitions, &#8220;mansplaining&#8221; refers to that implicit assumption that the woman isn&#8217;t just subordinate in the race for authority, but that she can&#8217;t even take part in the competition?</p>
<p>And Historiann, I&#8217;ve been a long time reader and very excited to join in the discussion on your blog at last! Thanks for the always interesting posts, and I hope you don&#8217;t mind me throwing in my $0.02.</p>
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		<title>By: Comrade Svilova</title>
		<link>http://www.historiann.com/2010/01/31/sunday-round-up-education-and-the-arts-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-545272</link>
		<dc:creator>Comrade Svilova</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 04:25:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John, I definitely agree that the act of putting another &quot;in their place&quot; through language isn&#039;t limited to interactions between men and women. It seems to me that the tendency to assert oneself through language that claims the authority to speak for another (or to speak of another from a position of superior knowledge) is part of many discourses, from sexism to classism, racism, nationalism, etc.

&quot;Mansplaining&quot; describes these dialogues when they occur specifically in gendered contexts ... and it&#039;s just a simply an awesome word. Somehow, it&#039;s great to be able to name this attitude that permeates the film industry and bleeds into my classes quite often.

&quot;What&#039;s in a name...?&quot; Ah, so much!

(Perhaps I&#039;m reading too much into &quot;mansplaining.&quot; However, my experiences have mainly been exchanges in which the mansplainer knows that the woman he&#039;s addressing has a roughly equivalent technical/scholarly background, and yet he never talks in terms of his experience or his opinions, acknowledging his subjective position; rather he tells the woman how she should think, what she will do...in essence, assuming he has the power to speak authoritatively of her situation.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, I definitely agree that the act of putting another &#8220;in their place&#8221; through language isn&#8217;t limited to interactions between men and women. It seems to me that the tendency to assert oneself through language that claims the authority to speak for another (or to speak of another from a position of superior knowledge) is part of many discourses, from sexism to classism, racism, nationalism, etc.</p>
<p>&#8220;Mansplaining&#8221; describes these dialogues when they occur specifically in gendered contexts &#8230; and it&#8217;s just a simply an awesome word. Somehow, it&#8217;s great to be able to name this attitude that permeates the film industry and bleeds into my classes quite often.</p>
<p>&#8220;What&#8217;s in a name&#8230;?&#8221; Ah, so much!</p>
<p>(Perhaps I&#8217;m reading too much into &#8220;mansplaining.&#8221; However, my experiences have mainly been exchanges in which the mansplainer knows that the woman he&#8217;s addressing has a roughly equivalent technical/scholarly background, and yet he never talks in terms of his experience or his opinions, acknowledging his subjective position; rather he tells the woman how she should think, what she will do&#8230;in essence, assuming he has the power to speak authoritatively of her situation.)</p>
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		<title>By: JJO</title>
		<link>http://www.historiann.com/2010/01/31/sunday-round-up-education-and-the-arts-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-545203</link>
		<dc:creator>JJO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 02:42:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1) John, congratulations!

2) That mansplaining link is unbelievably awesome.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1) John, congratulations!</p>
<p>2) That mansplaining link is unbelievably awesome.</p>
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		<title>By: John S.</title>
		<link>http://www.historiann.com/2010/01/31/sunday-round-up-education-and-the-arts-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-545107</link>
		<dc:creator>John S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 00:36:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two comments:
1) Part of the reason that I think education gets looked down upon the way it does is because classroom teaching is a female-dominated profession (especially below the secondary level). After all, an occupation where a majority of the practitioners are women can&#039;t really be a &quot;profession,&quot; can it? Perhaps there is a mansplanation for this.

2) As a man (but I hope not too often a mansplainer), I can attest to the fact that mansplaining is a phenomenon not entirely limited to interactions between men and women; there can be a definite age/class dimension here as well, especially for those men who see their authority over &quot;dependents&quot; and subordinates as something that includes men and women. I mean, a *real* patriarch can put other men as well as women &quot;in their place.&quot; (To which I can only say: ah, the joys of getting tenure.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two comments:<br />
1) Part of the reason that I think education gets looked down upon the way it does is because classroom teaching is a female-dominated profession (especially below the secondary level). After all, an occupation where a majority of the practitioners are women can&#8217;t really be a &#8220;profession,&#8221; can it? Perhaps there is a mansplanation for this.</p>
<p>2) As a man (but I hope not too often a mansplainer), I can attest to the fact that mansplaining is a phenomenon not entirely limited to interactions between men and women; there can be a definite age/class dimension here as well, especially for those men who see their authority over &#8220;dependents&#8221; and subordinates as something that includes men and women. I mean, a *real* patriarch can put other men as well as women &#8220;in their place.&#8221; (To which I can only say: ah, the joys of getting tenure.)</p>
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		<title>By: Comrade Svilova</title>
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		<dc:creator>Comrade Svilova</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 23:24:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the link to the discussion of &quot;mansplaining.&quot; What is it that is fun and sexy about mansplaining? I have no idea.

I feel fortunate to be paired with a man who is good at explaining things that I&#039;d like explained. But why should he go out of his way to explain something to me that I already know? His time could be better employed in creating great art -- or doing the dishes -- or anything else, really. What&#039;s the point of an explanation when none is required?

Ah, but by explaining something to someone who already understands the topic at hand (and is thus very threatening!), the mansplainer has a valuable opportunity to assert his manhood, reaffirm his sense of self, and project his own voice over and above that of the Other. Mansplainers always talk to or *for* the person they are purportedly trying to help, rather than *with.*

I have enough of that every day in film school. I can&#039;t imagine having to engage with defensive-aggressive posturing when I come home!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the link to the discussion of &#8220;mansplaining.&#8221; What is it that is fun and sexy about mansplaining? I have no idea.</p>
<p>I feel fortunate to be paired with a man who is good at explaining things that I&#8217;d like explained. But why should he go out of his way to explain something to me that I already know? His time could be better employed in creating great art &#8212; or doing the dishes &#8212; or anything else, really. What&#8217;s the point of an explanation when none is required?</p>
<p>Ah, but by explaining something to someone who already understands the topic at hand (and is thus very threatening!), the mansplainer has a valuable opportunity to assert his manhood, reaffirm his sense of self, and project his own voice over and above that of the Other. Mansplainers always talk to or *for* the person they are purportedly trying to help, rather than *with.*</p>
<p>I have enough of that every day in film school. I can&#8217;t imagine having to engage with defensive-aggressive posturing when I come home!</p>
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