Comments on: Losing Jon Stewart http://www.historiann.com/2010/01/26/losing-jon-stewart/ History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present Tue, 23 Sep 2014 09:03:39 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.9.2 By: “Don’t give them the keys back?” : Historiann : History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present http://www.historiann.com/2010/01/26/losing-jon-stewart/comment-page-1/#comment-708555 Thu, 09 Sep 2010 18:59:11 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=9352#comment-708555 [...] trying to lead a full-on gospel choir, and failing miserably.  As I’ve noted here before, losing Jon Stewart is not where the Dems want to [...]

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By: Daniel S. Goldberg http://www.historiann.com/2010/01/26/losing-jon-stewart/comment-page-1/#comment-542683 Fri, 29 Jan 2010 16:24:48 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=9352#comment-542683 I apologize for the pop culture reference, but this post reminds me of the wonderful Family Guy montage where the Jewish character, Mort Goldman, is convinced that Hitler has returned. He runs around screaming, “Oh my God, he’s back, SAVE JON STEWART! He’s our most important Jew!”

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By: Historiann http://www.historiann.com/2010/01/26/losing-jon-stewart/comment-page-1/#comment-541771 Thu, 28 Jan 2010 16:04:43 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=9352#comment-541771 RKMK: thanks. But, a lot of my friends (and a lot of my readers, like Shane) are experiencing acute Hopium withdrawl now. I’m aware that these posts might read a little too much like “nyah nyah nyah I toldja soooo!!!” to some. And, while that might be true, it’s also not all that interesting to read, over and over again. (However satisfying it is for me, and perhaps for you too, to gloat once in a while.)

The truth is that gloating isn’t a solution to anyone’s problems. We’ll see in the next year how steep is the Obama WH’s learning curve. I’m “hope”-ing that Obama takes Timmy Geithner into a back room with a rubber hose today and comes out with a signed resignation letter, but I don’t think that’s going to happen. Seriously, he’d get a 3+ point bump in his approval rating overnight if he did that. But, last night’s speech was all about “tax credits” for this-n-that, no serious talk about tax INCREASES on the rich, which is what it’s going to take if he wants guns, butter, wellness checkups, and deficit reduction at the same time too.

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By: RKMK http://www.historiann.com/2010/01/26/losing-jon-stewart/comment-page-1/#comment-541277 Thu, 28 Jan 2010 00:17:28 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=9352#comment-541277

I know these posts bother some people.

For the record, these posts are a comfort to me. Because it is horrible to be right all the damn time (I’ve seriously felt like goddamn Cassandra for almost two years now) but at least these posts means I’m not always right all by myself.

I’d like a bought-off streetfighter who actually fights, please.

Srsly. Whereas HRC is a heavyweight scrapper, Obama’s got a glass jaw. It’s like comparing Muhammad Ali to Tommy Hearns.

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By: cgeye http://www.historiann.com/2010/01/26/losing-jon-stewart/comment-page-1/#comment-541194 Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:24:26 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=9352#comment-541194 I’d like a bought-off streetfighter who actually fights, please.

And one who knows that winning the next election also means helping his or her base out, once in a while. Guess that’s too much to ask, huh?

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By: LadyProf http://www.historiann.com/2010/01/26/losing-jon-stewart/comment-page-1/#comment-541125 Wed, 27 Jan 2010 17:42:00 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=9352#comment-541125 Well, I know Historiann didn’t want to revive the quarrels of 2008, but I want to echo Emma: Say what you will about Hillary Clinton, including her triangulation; she knew about the partisan fights ahead of her and said she was prepared to push. Obama, having run on appeasement and post-partisanship, has faced the same fights. He has been losing them all, because he has been either (a) unprepared, weak, and inept or (b) a plute-favoring Reagan Republican all along, throwing the match.

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By: Emma http://www.historiann.com/2010/01/26/losing-jon-stewart/comment-page-1/#comment-541061 Wed, 27 Jan 2010 15:14:44 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=9352#comment-541061 When she was running for president, she surrounded herself with loathsome tools like Mark Penn, Terry McAuliffe, and other DLC toadies.

Anything like Tim Geithner, Larry Summers, David Axelrod, and Rahm Emmanuel? Nooooo, nothing like that. I’m sure HRC’s failing are just so much more fail-like. Fer sure.

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By: Western Dave http://www.historiann.com/2010/01/26/losing-jon-stewart/comment-page-1/#comment-541037 Wed, 27 Jan 2010 14:16:20 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=9352#comment-541037 I think the quote comes from the movie Broadcast News. One of the evil corporate suits says it to goodhearted but work obsessed producer Holly Hunter who says “It’s awful, it’s absolutely awful.” One of my favorite scenes of all time.

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By: Historiann http://www.historiann.com/2010/01/26/losing-jon-stewart/comment-page-1/#comment-541032 Wed, 27 Jan 2010 14:00:29 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=9352#comment-541032 What bugs me about these periodic posts, though, is the subtext (rarely spelled out, but always there) that H.R. Clinton would have done better.

You brought up Clinton–I didn’t, and haven’t. She lost 19 months ago–the primaries are over. I don’t understand how my pointing to Obama’s failures of leadership since he became President have anything to do with Hillary Clinton’s primary campaign. I don’t doubt that I’d have a LOT of problems with a Clinton presidency too–but that’s not the point. He won. He wanted the job. He’s got it now. He’s the one on the hot seat.

McEwan’s post, to which I linked, alludes the Primary Wars. But even she isn’t making the argument that Clinton would have been teh Awesome. She’s just reminding some that all of the pretexts that Obama supporters used to justify their hatred of Hillary Clinton and support of Obama have come to pass in an Obama presidency anyway: more war, fewer civil liberties, a crap economy, and a fracked up “health care” reform process.

I know these posts bother some people. I’m trying to get a lid on my disdain for Obama–because whether I like it or not, his hand is on the rudder of the great Ship of State for at least 3 more years, and I wish he were a better Captain. (I voted for him, too.) I appreciate you reading and commenting on this post, although we disagree.

And, Nessum: I haven’t seen Stewart engage in misogyny–at least no examples come to mind, but as I said, I don’t watch the DS show regularly. He’s not as bad an offender as Bill Maher, though–is he? In any case, this post was more about “losing Jon Stewart”–I wasn’t making an argument that Stewart is right and Obama is wrong, all the time. I just think it’s notable when a President starts getting mocked on a regular basis for trivia by a show that was for a long time in his court.

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By: Nessum http://www.historiann.com/2010/01/26/losing-jon-stewart/comment-page-1/#comment-540999 Wed, 27 Jan 2010 11:56:25 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=9352#comment-540999 Don’t get your hopes up too high re Jon Stewart, Historiann!

He is probably somewhat forced to take a jab at Obama once in a while, to keep his credibility, but I don’t see him doing it consistently anytime soon.

Besides he is as misogynistic as the next guy, but as he is also (can be) very funny, he doesn’t always come off like that. Recently he acidly ridiculed Martha Coakley and accused her of being responsible for “30 million Americans who now go without Health Insurance because of your loss.” !

I guess, once a misogynist, always a misogynist. Some just manages to hide it better than others.

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