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		<title>By: The academic life: movin&#8217; on, part II : Historiann : History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present</title>
		<link>http://www.historiann.com/2010/01/07/checking-in-on-the-aha-hahahahaha-lolsob/comment-page-1/#comment-562902</link>
		<dc:creator>The academic life: movin&#8217; on, part II : Historiann : History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 16:40:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] know how there are no jobs in history this year?  Well, unfortunately for me, my friends who are Associate Professors are finding jobs and leaving [...]</description>
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		<title>By: &#8220;Graduate school in the humanities is a trap.&#8221; &#171; More or Less Bunk</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#8220;Graduate school in the humanities is a trap.&#8221; &#171; More or Less Bunk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 16:05:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of you who were following the dust-up over this post by Marc Bousquet from about a month ago probably remember the division that me and [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] of you who were following the dust-up over this post by Marc Bousquet from about a month ago probably remember the division that me and [...]</p>
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		<title>By: From the Department of False Analogies: reforming professional training in the humanities : Historiann : History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present</title>
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		<dc:creator>From the Department of False Analogies: reforming professional training in the humanities : Historiann : History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 16:12:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Things Considered last night?  On the one hand, he gave some important context for understanding that the academic job crisis in the humanities is nothing new&#8211;like Historiann, he sees it as directly linked to the halt of the massive [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Things Considered last night?  On the one hand, he gave some important context for understanding that the academic job crisis in the humanities is nothing new&#8211;like Historiann, he sees it as directly linked to the halt of the massive [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Friday food fights! Plus evidence of my evildoing, with links. : Historiann : History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present</title>
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		<dc:creator>Friday food fights! Plus evidence of my evildoing, with links. : Historiann : History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 16:32:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Checking in on the AHA-hahahahaha!  (Lolsob.) [...]</description>
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		<title>By: some aha reflections &#171; parezco y digo</title>
		<link>http://www.historiann.com/2010/01/07/checking-in-on-the-aha-hahahahaha-lolsob/comment-page-1/#comment-529575</link>
		<dc:creator>some aha reflections &#171; parezco y digo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 01:44:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] in the days before the conference. I really like the critiques of that report in the posts by Historiann and Marc Bosquet. It is simply galling to blame an overproduction of PhDs for the disjunctures of [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] in the days before the conference. I really like the critiques of that report in the posts by Historiann and Marc Bosquet. It is simply galling to blame an overproduction of PhDs for the disjunctures of [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The History Enthusiast</title>
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		<dc:creator>The History Enthusiast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jan 2010 17:13:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom: I didn&#039;t interpret your comment as negative either. We just have slightly different perspectives on the matter, so no worries!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom: I didn&#8217;t interpret your comment as negative either. We just have slightly different perspectives on the matter, so no worries!</p>
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		<title>By: Historiann</title>
		<link>http://www.historiann.com/2010/01/07/checking-in-on-the-aha-hahahahaha-lolsob/comment-page-1/#comment-527946</link>
		<dc:creator>Historiann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jan 2010 17:05:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you&#039;re out in San Diego, have a great time, ADM.  I think your comments about having worked in other industries are important.  I&#039;m glad you found a place where your experience is (rightly) valued.  (I&#039;ve heard some grim stories from friends who had other careers who felt that it not only wasn&#039;t valued, but that they were the objects of age discrimination to boot.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you&#8217;re out in San Diego, have a great time, ADM.  I think your comments about having worked in other industries are important.  I&#8217;m glad you found a place where your experience is (rightly) valued.  (I&#8217;ve heard some grim stories from friends who had other careers who felt that it not only wasn&#8217;t valued, but that they were the objects of age discrimination to boot.)</p>
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		<title>By: Another Damned Medievalist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Another Damned Medievalist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jan 2010 16:55:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gods, I hate the AHA.  And it saddens me, because it&#039;s pretty much the only conference besides Berks where I can see a bunch of my non-medievalist-non-Europeanist colleagues (I see bunches of the Europeanists in London, at least).  My first AHA I had a couple of interviews and it was weird - I started talking to someone at a crosswalk (This was in Philly), and it turned out he was another medievalist blogger who had 13 interviews! Medieval Islam, natch. We had a great conversation.  But the job room, and coming out of the interview suites, I said, &quot;good luck&quot; to people I met coming in, and just got filthy looks and grunts.  

Last year, I also interviewed at the AHA, and coming out, I saw a medievalist I knew slightly in the hall waiting.  We said hi, and wished each other luck.  As it turns out, the job went to a young scholar I met and for whom I chaired a panel at Kalamazoo.  She and I have had a growing friendship since, and we have a ton of very good friends in common.  I&#039;m really happy for her, and would like to think I would be if I hadn&#039;t already had a job.  

All of which kind of brings me to the point I was rambling towards.  I&#039;ve said it before, and I&#039;ll say it again -- there is nothing more useful to me than having had really well-paying jobs outside academia.  I&#039;ve been jobless in several markets!  But seriously, knowing that, if I couldn&#039;t get a job doing what I love, I could still find work that used my skills and that I enjoyed and even paid better than being a prof?  Priceless.  I think it gives an air of confidence that sets one apart from many interviewees, and every at job I&#039;ve had (two visiting before this one) I was told that my non-academic experience was one of the reasons they hired me, because it was seen as something that helped me to empathize with today&#039;s student population AND was necessary for dealing with new accreditation standards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gods, I hate the AHA.  And it saddens me, because it&#8217;s pretty much the only conference besides Berks where I can see a bunch of my non-medievalist-non-Europeanist colleagues (I see bunches of the Europeanists in London, at least).  My first AHA I had a couple of interviews and it was weird &#8211; I started talking to someone at a crosswalk (This was in Philly), and it turned out he was another medievalist blogger who had 13 interviews! Medieval Islam, natch. We had a great conversation.  But the job room, and coming out of the interview suites, I said, &#8220;good luck&#8221; to people I met coming in, and just got filthy looks and grunts.  </p>
<p>Last year, I also interviewed at the AHA, and coming out, I saw a medievalist I knew slightly in the hall waiting.  We said hi, and wished each other luck.  As it turns out, the job went to a young scholar I met and for whom I chaired a panel at Kalamazoo.  She and I have had a growing friendship since, and we have a ton of very good friends in common.  I&#8217;m really happy for her, and would like to think I would be if I hadn&#8217;t already had a job.  </p>
<p>All of which kind of brings me to the point I was rambling towards.  I&#8217;ve said it before, and I&#8217;ll say it again &#8212; there is nothing more useful to me than having had really well-paying jobs outside academia.  I&#8217;ve been jobless in several markets!  But seriously, knowing that, if I couldn&#8217;t get a job doing what I love, I could still find work that used my skills and that I enjoyed and even paid better than being a prof?  Priceless.  I think it gives an air of confidence that sets one apart from many interviewees, and every at job I&#8217;ve had (two visiting before this one) I was told that my non-academic experience was one of the reasons they hired me, because it was seen as something that helped me to empathize with today&#8217;s student population AND was necessary for dealing with new accreditation standards.</p>
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		<title>By: AHA report: Put on a giant smiley-face mask, if you have to : Historiann : History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present</title>
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		<dc:creator>AHA report: Put on a giant smiley-face mask, if you have to : Historiann : History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jan 2010 16:22:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] be filed from this year&#8217;s meeting of the American Historical Association, I thought I&#8217;d draw your attention to a comment from The History Enthusiast, who said that everyone in the pit on Thursday was a real Debbie [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] be filed from this year&#8217;s meeting of the American Historical Association, I thought I&#8217;d draw your attention to a comment from The History Enthusiast, who said that everyone in the pit on Thursday was a real Debbie [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Historiann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Historiann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 23:12:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ha!  That year (2001) was teh suckity suck.  But as bad as it was for those of us awaiting our turn in the &quot;pit&quot; for our interviews, imagine how dreadful it was for the poor search committees, who were stuck in the noise and draftiness all day long, having to pretend to pay attention to the candidates through all of the noise.  I was self-conscious because I did&#039;t want my former &quot;colleagues&quot; at my first job to know that I was interviewing--but the waiting pen was right in the middle of a heavily trafficked hallway between the main hotel and the connecting skywalk to the mall &amp; other hotels.  Literally *everyone* at the conference had to walk back and forth through there several times a day.  I thought I should have worn a bag over my head or something.

2002 in San Francisco stank too.  We were in comfortable rooms, but there were no curtains or even pretense of privacy or discretion about the process.  So, we&#039;d interview a bunch of candidates, and we&#039;d periodically see most of them hopping back in and out to interview with other search committees, and they&#039;d see who else we were interviewing.  Not far from the interview table I sat at interviewing new potential colleagues for Baa Ra U., my former &quot;colleagues&quot; at my first job were interviewing people for my former line.  The former chair of the department glared at me--but then, she glared at most everyone, all the time--even the job candidates she was interviewing!

(TMI, in my opinion.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ha!  That year (2001) was teh suckity suck.  But as bad as it was for those of us awaiting our turn in the &#8220;pit&#8221; for our interviews, imagine how dreadful it was for the poor search committees, who were stuck in the noise and draftiness all day long, having to pretend to pay attention to the candidates through all of the noise.  I was self-conscious because I did&#8217;t want my former &#8220;colleagues&#8221; at my first job to know that I was interviewing&#8211;but the waiting pen was right in the middle of a heavily trafficked hallway between the main hotel and the connecting skywalk to the mall &#038; other hotels.  Literally *everyone* at the conference had to walk back and forth through there several times a day.  I thought I should have worn a bag over my head or something.</p>
<p>2002 in San Francisco stank too.  We were in comfortable rooms, but there were no curtains or even pretense of privacy or discretion about the process.  So, we&#8217;d interview a bunch of candidates, and we&#8217;d periodically see most of them hopping back in and out to interview with other search committees, and they&#8217;d see who else we were interviewing.  Not far from the interview table I sat at interviewing new potential colleagues for Baa Ra U., my former &#8220;colleagues&#8221; at my first job were interviewing people for my former line.  The former chair of the department glared at me&#8211;but then, she glared at most everyone, all the time&#8211;even the job candidates she was interviewing!</p>
<p>(TMI, in my opinion.)</p>
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