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	<title>Comments on: Guerrilla theater:  talk to the hand, Romeo</title>
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		<title>By: Historiann</title>
		<link>http://www.historiann.com/2009/11/19/guerrilla-theater-talk-to-the-hand-romeo/comment-page-1/#comment-489026</link>
		<dc:creator>Historiann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 22:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, CPP--I&#039;m more concerned about pR0n SPAM than scatalogical invective.

BTW, thanks for planting the image of a &quot;guerilla rectal exam&quot; in my brain.  Thanks a lot!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, CPP&#8211;I&#8217;m more concerned about pR0n SPAM than scatalogical invective.</p>
<p>BTW, thanks for planting the image of a &#8220;guerilla rectal exam&#8221; in my brain.  Thanks a lot!</p>
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		<title>By: Comrade PhysioProf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Comrade PhysioProf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 21:13:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Historiann, it is very troubling that your automatic moderation filter allows shit through, but not fucking fuck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Historiann, it is very troubling that your automatic moderation filter allows shit through, but not fucking fuck.</p>
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		<title>By: Comrade PhysioProf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Comrade PhysioProf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 21:10:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s some weird shit. I guess the medical school analogue would be some students barging into my physiology lecture and doing a guerilla rectal exam.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s some weird shit. I guess the medical school analogue would be some students barging into my physiology lecture and doing a guerilla rectal exam.</p>
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		<title>By: Historiann</title>
		<link>http://www.historiann.com/2009/11/19/guerrilla-theater-talk-to-the-hand-romeo/comment-page-1/#comment-488750</link>
		<dc:creator>Historiann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 15:19:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rad--agreed that people have different styles and tolerance for miscellaneous disruptions.  I suppose it would defeat part of the purpose of &quot;guerrilla theater&quot; if the actors got permission from faculty to interrupt their classes.  But--to me, the &quot;guerrilla theater&quot; experiment isn&#039;t all that daring or new in the first place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rad&#8211;agreed that people have different styles and tolerance for miscellaneous disruptions.  I suppose it would defeat part of the purpose of &#8220;guerrilla theater&#8221; if the actors got permission from faculty to interrupt their classes.  But&#8211;to me, the &#8220;guerrilla theater&#8221; experiment isn&#8217;t all that daring or new in the first place.</p>
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		<title>By: Rad Readr</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rad Readr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 05:12:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Historiann, I did think a gender dynamic might be at play here. And since I can be a scary aging guy at times it is much easier for me to be laid back, open to disruptions, happy to entertain pro-choice flyers, gorilla encounters, etc. If necessary, I can release the &quot;death glare&quot; and restore balance. I don&#039;t think we should all run our classrooms the same way. And I respect (and sometimes have to defend) different pedagogical approaches. 

Matt L, that is not a materialist argument. It&#039;s consumerist logic, and a good reason why universities should continue to be funded in part by sources other than tuition. A lot of what we do at universities is not necessarily defined by a consumer/provider dynamic, and that kind of argument can be easily used to attack academic freedom and intellectual exploration.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Historiann, I did think a gender dynamic might be at play here. And since I can be a scary aging guy at times it is much easier for me to be laid back, open to disruptions, happy to entertain pro-choice flyers, gorilla encounters, etc. If necessary, I can release the &#8220;death glare&#8221; and restore balance. I don&#8217;t think we should all run our classrooms the same way. And I respect (and sometimes have to defend) different pedagogical approaches. </p>
<p>Matt L, that is not a materialist argument. It&#8217;s consumerist logic, and a good reason why universities should continue to be funded in part by sources other than tuition. A lot of what we do at universities is not necessarily defined by a consumer/provider dynamic, and that kind of argument can be easily used to attack academic freedom and intellectual exploration.</p>
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		<title>By: Grandoc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grandoc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 22:50:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speaking of the theater of the absurd reminds me of  Freshman Monday nights at Deep Woods College (N.H.)in the 1950s. The course was called Great Issues AKA Grey Tissues. The balcony of the auditorium hung right over the stage and lecturn. The speakers were often world class - such as Robert Frost and Adlai Stevenson. Attendence was mandatory and weighed heavily on the final grade. A short paper was due within the week.They were graded by wives of professors yes- there were very very few female profs in this all male school. I always felt that reading 50 papers - all copied from Time Magazine was akin to a root canal without novacaine. All that the student attendance  monitor needed to see was something in the seat- for a check mark. That something could be a dog, female student or girlfriend from the junior college just south, or well dressed mannequin.The speakers never commented on the sham items.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking of the theater of the absurd reminds me of  Freshman Monday nights at Deep Woods College (N.H.)in the 1950s. The course was called Great Issues AKA Grey Tissues. The balcony of the auditorium hung right over the stage and lecturn. The speakers were often world class &#8211; such as Robert Frost and Adlai Stevenson. Attendence was mandatory and weighed heavily on the final grade. A short paper was due within the week.They were graded by wives of professors yes- there were very very few female profs in this all male school. I always felt that reading 50 papers &#8211; all copied from Time Magazine was akin to a root canal without novacaine. All that the student attendance  monitor needed to see was something in the seat- for a check mark. That something could be a dog, female student or girlfriend from the junior college just south, or well dressed mannequin.The speakers never commented on the sham items.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt L</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 21:34:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with the reasons offered by Historiann, Dr. Krazy, &amp; History Maven, Its OK to be uptight about this sort of interruption. But I&#039;ll make the materialist argument instead. 

The students at my school shell out a lot of money to take classes at Woebegone State. (The State of Upper Oblivion also pays a part of the bills.) The students deserve a 50 minute class period with their instructor, uninterrupted by guerrilla theater, corporate shills, and other distractions. That is ostensible reason they choose to attend college. (Although there are a lot of learning agendas out there, this is the one that is advertised... and presumably the one the parents and the state are writing the checks for...)

Guerrilla theater is silly, and its for upper-middle-class-bourgeois-theater-farts-students, but there are other spaces for it on campus, like the dinning hall, the dorm lounge, the loading dock at the facilities building, etc. It would do immense good for the tender egos and planning skills, of budding theater-farts majors if they actually organized a &#039;happening&#039; and people showed up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with the reasons offered by Historiann, Dr. Krazy, &amp; History Maven, Its OK to be uptight about this sort of interruption. But I&#8217;ll make the materialist argument instead. </p>
<p>The students at my school shell out a lot of money to take classes at Woebegone State. (The State of Upper Oblivion also pays a part of the bills.) The students deserve a 50 minute class period with their instructor, uninterrupted by guerrilla theater, corporate shills, and other distractions. That is ostensible reason they choose to attend college. (Although there are a lot of learning agendas out there, this is the one that is advertised&#8230; and presumably the one the parents and the state are writing the checks for&#8230;)</p>
<p>Guerrilla theater is silly, and its for upper-middle-class-bourgeois-theater-farts-students, but there are other spaces for it on campus, like the dinning hall, the dorm lounge, the loading dock at the facilities building, etc. It would do immense good for the tender egos and planning skills, of budding theater-farts majors if they actually organized a &#8216;happening&#8217; and people showed up.</p>
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		<title>By: dance</title>
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		<dc:creator>dance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 21:28:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From an &lt;a href=&quot;http://pronetolaughter.wordpress.com/2009/06/23/the-governance-of-teaching/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;old post of mine:&lt;/a&gt;

Class went outside one sunny day, and we had to pause while a pro-choice march went by and the chanting made it impossible to hear (incidentally, my usual classroom is such that sometimes a march makes me pause class even when we stay inside). As we stopped and watched, a marcher tried to run over and hand out flyers. I am pro-choice, but my instinctive reaction, as I stopped her, was “oh hell no. You do not just walk up in my classroom like that.”  Even if my classroom was currently a circle of students sitting on the grass with invisible walls around, and class was clearly not happening at the moment. But I felt it was about territory, less than a charmed space, and my students just chuckled.

[Random tangent: decided to C&amp;P rather than re-write the story for this comment---but I would have written it *very* differently]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From an <a href="http://pronetolaughter.wordpress.com/2009/06/23/the-governance-of-teaching/" rel="nofollow">old post of mine:</a></p>
<p>Class went outside one sunny day, and we had to pause while a pro-choice march went by and the chanting made it impossible to hear (incidentally, my usual classroom is such that sometimes a march makes me pause class even when we stay inside). As we stopped and watched, a marcher tried to run over and hand out flyers. I am pro-choice, but my instinctive reaction, as I stopped her, was “oh hell no. You do not just walk up in my classroom like that.”  Even if my classroom was currently a circle of students sitting on the grass with invisible walls around, and class was clearly not happening at the moment. But I felt it was about territory, less than a charmed space, and my students just chuckled.</p>
<p>[Random tangent: decided to C&amp;P rather than re-write the story for this comment---but I would have written it *very* differently]</p>
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		<title>By: Historiann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Historiann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 20:14:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, Rad--I&#039;m with Dr. Crazy and History Maven.  It might be a gender thing:  my guess is that women professors are much more often importuned by things like this, and other in-class interruptions, than male professors are.  (No data here, just a guess based on my 13-1/2 years in the classroom and related observations.)  Then there&#039;s the personal safety issue that things like this touch on.  (Remember &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.historiann.com/2009/04/18/guns-threats-space-and-gender/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;my colleague&#039;s experience with something similar last spring&lt;/a&gt;?)

&quot;Guerrilla theater&quot; is fine, so long as it permits its audiences to walk away.  Students in a class don&#039;t feel the same liberty to walk away that they would anywhere else on campus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, Rad&#8211;I&#8217;m with Dr. Crazy and History Maven.  It might be a gender thing:  my guess is that women professors are much more often importuned by things like this, and other in-class interruptions, than male professors are.  (No data here, just a guess based on my 13-1/2 years in the classroom and related observations.)  Then there&#8217;s the personal safety issue that things like this touch on.  (Remember <a href="http://www.historiann.com/2009/04/18/guns-threats-space-and-gender/" rel="nofollow">my colleague&#8217;s experience with something similar last spring</a>?)</p>
<p>&#8220;Guerrilla theater&#8221; is fine, so long as it permits its audiences to walk away.  Students in a class don&#8217;t feel the same liberty to walk away that they would anywhere else on campus.</p>
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		<title>By: HistoryMaven</title>
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		<dc:creator>HistoryMaven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 14:47:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you, Dr. Crazy.  If I am uptight, it&#039;s because I care about my students and their welfare.  And I&#039;d like to think that how I show that influences students to think about the welfare of others.  

I worry that my classroom has only one entrance and exit and no windows. I worry that there&#039;s no callbox nearby.  I kvetched annually to administrators that universities sponsor first aid courses even as they cut student health services and depend on an overburdened fire department and hospital for emergency service.  After years of complaining, I got an administrator to understand that the B &amp; G guys shouldn&#039;t work on elevators during finals week because we&#039;ve students in wheelchairs who cannot get to their classrooms.  And that the one dormitory that houses students with disabilities should be the first and not the last to be plowed out in the winter. Only took a decade.

Each semester I suggest to my students that a book cooperative under the aegis of the student government may help them afford books and fund scholarships.  I urge them to undertake thoughts that some among them find objectionable, novel, daring, subversive, and--dare I say?--crazy.  I&#039;d like to think I am empowering them, helping them move from being spectators to being active players. And that requires that the classroom be a safe haven, at least for 50 minutes three days a week.    

Off to teach Intro to Women&#039;s Studies, where the topic is poverty and already students are worried about what they say will be construed as sexist, racist, unfeeling, politically incorrect, etc.  But at least we&#039;ve worked together to the point that some frank discussion may take place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, Dr. Crazy.  If I am uptight, it&#8217;s because I care about my students and their welfare.  And I&#8217;d like to think that how I show that influences students to think about the welfare of others.  </p>
<p>I worry that my classroom has only one entrance and exit and no windows. I worry that there&#8217;s no callbox nearby.  I kvetched annually to administrators that universities sponsor first aid courses even as they cut student health services and depend on an overburdened fire department and hospital for emergency service.  After years of complaining, I got an administrator to understand that the B &amp; G guys shouldn&#8217;t work on elevators during finals week because we&#8217;ve students in wheelchairs who cannot get to their classrooms.  And that the one dormitory that houses students with disabilities should be the first and not the last to be plowed out in the winter. Only took a decade.</p>
<p>Each semester I suggest to my students that a book cooperative under the aegis of the student government may help them afford books and fund scholarships.  I urge them to undertake thoughts that some among them find objectionable, novel, daring, subversive, and&#8211;dare I say?&#8211;crazy.  I&#8217;d like to think I am empowering them, helping them move from being spectators to being active players. And that requires that the classroom be a safe haven, at least for 50 minutes three days a week.    </p>
<p>Off to teach Intro to Women&#8217;s Studies, where the topic is poverty and already students are worried about what they say will be construed as sexist, racist, unfeeling, politically incorrect, etc.  But at least we&#8217;ve worked together to the point that some frank discussion may take place.</p>
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