Comments on: Maj. Nidal Hasan, MD: just an all-American guy http://www.historiann.com/2009/11/12/maj-nidal-hasan-md-just-an-all-american-guy/ History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present Tue, 23 Sep 2014 09:03:39 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.9.2 By: 20th anniversary of the massacre at L’Ecole Polytechnique in Montreal : Historiann : History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present http://www.historiann.com/2009/11/12/maj-nidal-hasan-md-just-an-all-american-guy/comment-page-1/#comment-503351 Sun, 06 Dec 2009 19:00:09 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=8310#comment-503351 [...] still maintain that the absence of relationships with women should be considered a major warning sign that a man is cap….  It’s such an obvious commonality of all of these North American massacres–from [...]

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By: Historiann http://www.historiann.com/2009/11/12/maj-nidal-hasan-md-just-an-all-american-guy/comment-page-1/#comment-486000 Wed, 18 Nov 2009 16:05:58 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=8310#comment-486000 Don’t worry, John–I’ve already alerted the authorities, and they’re going to investigate Jesse for being a terrorist sympathizer. After all, you’re either with us, or you’re with the terrorists!

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By: John S. http://www.historiann.com/2009/11/12/maj-nidal-hasan-md-just-an-all-american-guy/comment-page-1/#comment-485475 Wed, 18 Nov 2009 04:59:05 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=8310#comment-485475 Jesse–I don’t know if Historiann is going to strike down your post or not (I don’t know the policy on this sort of thing). But wow. I haven’t read such a blatantly misogynist rant in some time. I find it telling that you use the pronoun “us” to describe those men who have been supposedly betrayed by women (I will not repeat the language you employed here)and America’s “feminized society.” Are you revealing something about yourself, and your history with women? Do I have to worry about being anywhere near you if you have a firearm? If that’s the case, please stay away from me and every man, woman, and child I know.

(See, I’m not being sexist: I am suggesting that your attitude is noxious and offensive to *everyone*, not just women!)

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By: Bing http://www.historiann.com/2009/11/12/maj-nidal-hasan-md-just-an-all-american-guy/comment-page-1/#comment-484190 Mon, 16 Nov 2009 18:46:00 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=8310#comment-484190 Here’s my crackpot conspiracy theory.

I just read The Men Who Stare at Goats. Great book. Very funny, and the stuff I already knew about (Courtney Brown the Heaven’s Gate suicide) was dead on. I suspect that there’s a disturbing amount of truth in that book.

Anyway, what I gleaned from the book was an intelligence culture that tried to make use of absolutely every dang asset that the military had, and how after 9/11, the military was really scrambling. I swear, after reading that book, it does not seem far-fetched to me that intelligence perceived Hassan as an asset. I mean, from Ronson’s tale, it seems clear that the Army, when it thought it even had the barest chance of using someone who might have contact with big Islamist meanos, they fully meant to exploit that source. It just seems possible that they say Hassan that way. I have no evidence other than a hunch and self-declared infallibility, for what that is worth.

Deep down, I find it sort of irresponsible to believe much of anything official at this point, since the Army has been so perfectly bad at telling the story so far.

Also, there is a great word, Knitting Clio and Ann, for the state of being literally insane with religion: entheomania. Love that word. Spell check hates it.

HJ

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By: Feminist Avatar http://www.historiann.com/2009/11/12/maj-nidal-hasan-md-just-an-all-american-guy/comment-page-1/#comment-482087 Sat, 14 Nov 2009 14:02:52 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=8310#comment-482087 In reference to the discussion on misogyny and love of family- I think some of this may come down to how you define both misogyny and love. I don’t think that a man who sees his wife as little more than an extension of himself and sees her purpose as reinforcing his masculinity/ enabling him to be fully functioning in the world, with little regard to her emotional needs (like recognising her right not to be killed) LOVES his wife.

I also think that hating women (misogyny) does not need to be explicitly violent or abusive. Not being able to see women as individuals with their own rights and boundaries is misogyny. Lumping women together as a group without recognition of their individual needs/desires/choices is misogyny. Refusal to recognise women as people or to see you wife as a person beyond an extension of yourself is misogyny. Seeing women as less important than men or their rights as less important that men’s rights is misogyny. All of this amounts to a refusal to recognise a woman’s humanity and if that isn’t a form of hate then what is?

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By: Grandoc http://www.historiann.com/2009/11/12/maj-nidal-hasan-md-just-an-all-american-guy/comment-page-1/#comment-482055 Sat, 14 Nov 2009 12:35:59 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=8310#comment-482055 When I was in the Air Force we had a psychiatrist who wanted out. He was a regular -not a two year draftee like the rest of us. I don’t think the government had paid for his medical school training. Usually, grumbling was a ticket to Vietnam – so most of us kept quiet. Our unhappy shrink first wrote tongue-in-cheek letters to the Washington Post, complaining of the generous benefits to retiring generals. No reponse. Finally in a move right out of MASH, our wayward major reported for his mandatory ER duty on a Saturday morning. He was dressed in a flowery tropical shirt and Bermuda shorts -unsanctioned garb. He then spoke to the assembled masses in the waiting room ” I’m a bit rusty on medicine but if any of you have mental health issues – this is your morning.” The major was gone within a week or two. I don’t know if his discharge was honorable or not. He was a white male.

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By: Historiann http://www.historiann.com/2009/11/12/maj-nidal-hasan-md-just-an-all-american-guy/comment-page-1/#comment-481534 Fri, 13 Nov 2009 21:58:46 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=8310#comment-481534 Knitting Clio–I take your point about the term “religiously insane,” but the links above (to a recent mass murder in Colorado in December 2007, and to the murder of a ski resort manager here last January) refer to two stories in which the murderers were clearly mentally ill and very wrapped up in religious ideation. It’s true that we don’t know exactly what Hasan’s situation was, but it sounds to me like another guy who becomes obsessed with a particular stripe of fundamentalist religion that becomes part of his manifestation of mental illness.

I don’t know what to call someone who’s invited to give Grand Rounds and then rants on and on about Islam and the Koran *but* religiously insane. (I could use the term “mentally ill with religious ideation” to suggest the same thing, I suppose.) There are a lot of insane, religious, and/or religiously insane people who do not engage in any violence, of course. But, mental illness seems to have been a BIG part of the package with this guy.

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By: Emma http://www.historiann.com/2009/11/12/maj-nidal-hasan-md-just-an-all-american-guy/comment-page-1/#comment-481509 Fri, 13 Nov 2009 20:40:35 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=8310#comment-481509 You expect the killer to be a nastier guy who tried to force himself on the woman who gave him the private dance, not the one who asks about her kid’s costumes.

I agree with everything Kathleen Lowery said, but I’d put it a bit more forcefully: Hasan was forcing himself on the women. They couldn’t say no to him. They had to engage with him as he forced his way into their private non-work lives.

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By: Knitting Clio http://www.historiann.com/2009/11/12/maj-nidal-hasan-md-just-an-all-american-guy/comment-page-1/#comment-481497 Fri, 13 Nov 2009 20:08:21 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=8310#comment-481497 P.S. I also agree with the comment by Anne Cannon on the NPR website, “I do not know who is responsible for the choice of words for this particular headline, but it is dismaying that, once again, the public is being fed the idea that mental illness and violence are connected. Persons with mental illness don’t need this additional stigma.”

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By: Knitting Clio http://www.historiann.com/2009/11/12/maj-nidal-hasan-md-just-an-all-american-guy/comment-page-1/#comment-481493 Fri, 13 Nov 2009 20:05:56 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=8310#comment-481493 I think we need to be careful about using terms like “religiously insane” — one can be very firm and literal minded about one’s religious views and be perfectly sane.

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