Comments on: Women’s bodies in the crosshairs of “health care reform” http://www.historiann.com/2009/10/08/womens-bodies-in-the-crosshairs-of-health-care-reform/ History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present Tue, 23 Sep 2014 14:15:50 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.9.2 By: Indyanna http://www.historiann.com/2009/10/08/womens-bodies-in-the-crosshairs-of-health-care-reform/comment-page-1/#comment-454826 Thu, 08 Oct 2009 20:07:13 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=7655#comment-454826 I can still remember my 10th grade political science teacher, Mr. Nolan, telling us what HE did that particular summer: traveled to Scandinavia, where he fell deathly ill and for two weeks or more lay in a hospital not even knowing where he was. When he was discharged they handed him his freshly-pressed coat jacket and he asked about the billing address. No, no, they said, we clean and press them for free in these cases. But the hospital bill, he said, and they said, no, no, we… It sure made an impression on me.

On the boner pills, ha ha about the footballs and tire swings. ANYbody can sit in a hot tub and watch the sun set, but that tire test is a huge challenge. These ads are getting more and more crazed. I like the part with “tell your doctor about your medical condition…” I thought ZE was supposed to tell YOU about that? Now they have one with a guy walking across town being hectored mercilessly by his own reflection in the glassy building fronts about having “that talk with your doctor.” It’ll take more than a pill to deal with this. If mr. reflectoguy follows you for more than four hours, you’re really really really in big trouble.

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By: thefrogprincess http://www.historiann.com/2009/10/08/womens-bodies-in-the-crosshairs-of-health-care-reform/comment-page-1/#comment-454815 Thu, 08 Oct 2009 19:52:53 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=7655#comment-454815 Wow, quixote and Historiann: the point about illegal immigrants and the basic science of the spread of many diseases is so on the money, especially the correlation to the food industry. Then again, I’m convinced that a good number of Americans choose to ignore just how ubiquitous illegal immigrants are. I always wonder if the people calling for illegals to be forced out are aware of just how dependent our society is on their labor. When the construction projects grind to a halt and the local restaurants close, either because illegals have been rounded up or are too sick to work or are injured by the unsafe conditions nobody else will work in, then what? (To be clear, I’m appalled by these conditions but them’s the facts.)

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By: Historiann http://www.historiann.com/2009/10/08/womens-bodies-in-the-crosshairs-of-health-care-reform/comment-page-1/#comment-454775 Thu, 08 Oct 2009 18:38:43 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=7655#comment-454775 quixote: I’m glad you brought this up. Not offering health care to all is very much a public health FAIL, especially when we consider the kinds of places that undocumented workers tend to work: in kitchens and slaughterhouses handling food, and in hotels as maids, for example. How is it good public policy to keep those folks away from decent medical care?

Health care should be a right, not a privilege. Those of us who are lucky enough to be healthy now are only temporarily able-bodied.

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By: quixote http://www.historiann.com/2009/10/08/womens-bodies-in-the-crosshairs-of-health-care-reform/comment-page-1/#comment-454757 Thu, 08 Oct 2009 18:23:02 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=7655#comment-454757 This is tangential to your main point, but the funny thing about objecting to medical care for illegals (not funny in a “ha-ha” way, either) is that it’s the same as demanding to be sick.

Some diseases are catching. If illegals don’t dare go for care, guess what that does to the epidemiology of contagious diseases? Let’s run through some of those in the US: swine flu, AIDS, hepatitis A B and C, tuberculosis, measles, drug resistant staph infections, . . . you get the idea. I’m not talking about catching colds.

And yet people are demanding that we maintain reservoirs of disease because they’re too full of resentment to treat some people like human beings. Sometimes karma is on a real short feedback loop.

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By: Historiann http://www.historiann.com/2009/10/08/womens-bodies-in-the-crosshairs-of-health-care-reform/comment-page-1/#comment-454687 Thu, 08 Oct 2009 17:06:55 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=7655#comment-454687 Careful, Tom: the right wing in U.S. history has always been partial to secessionist movements! (The Confederate States of America, the modern militia movement, FLDS communities, etc.)

I’ve never understood the logic of a political movement that would deny a woman the right to abort her trisomy-afflicted fetus, and also force her into poverty and bankruptcy because of the child’s medical expenses.

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By: Feminist Avatar http://www.historiann.com/2009/10/08/womens-bodies-in-the-crosshairs-of-health-care-reform/comment-page-1/#comment-454685 Thu, 08 Oct 2009 17:05:23 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=7655#comment-454685 And I might add if I need a religious backing to have such belief, I come from a religious sect with a long history of pacifism- no war vets in my family (yet)- of which there are many within protestantism.

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By: Feminist Avatar http://www.historiann.com/2009/10/08/womens-bodies-in-the-crosshairs-of-health-care-reform/comment-page-1/#comment-454684 Thu, 08 Oct 2009 17:03:55 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=7655#comment-454684 I think war is immoral and unethical and I absolutely refuse to intentionally fund it, but my taxes pay for it anyway.

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By: Tom http://www.historiann.com/2009/10/08/womens-bodies-in-the-crosshairs-of-health-care-reform/comment-page-1/#comment-454681 Thu, 08 Oct 2009 16:57:23 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=7655#comment-454681 The principle seems clear: I pay my taxes to the government I support and the government supports programs that are legal and perceived as valuable by the government. Except for the three dollars of my federal taxes that I can designate as going to federal elections (or not, as I actually prefer my tax dollars to be used more wisely), I do not get a say in where my dollars are spent. If some folks don’t want their dollars going to abortions, give them a three-dollar check-off box on their 1040s! Or not, since the whole point is that we pay taxes to let the state do the work for the good of the state, and we don’t get the privilege of second guessing its decisions except through the normal channels. Of course, all who wish to practice civil disobedience on these issues by simply refusing to pay their taxes would have every right to do so, as long as they take the consequences. Thoreau went to jail for his beliefs, and all those who wish to make sure their tax dollars are not spent in ways they don’t approve of have that option as well.

The whole illegal immigrant argument is equally unfounded: I don’t believe most people would find it ethical to withhold medical care from all those citizen lawbreakers who might be living on the public dime in our cushy prison system: oh, and withhold it from their children, too. To exclude immigrants from public services on the basis of a claim they are lawbreakers is unjustifiable, I think. Especially if the prisons fill up with civil disobedience cases!

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By: Paul http://www.historiann.com/2009/10/08/womens-bodies-in-the-crosshairs-of-health-care-reform/comment-page-1/#comment-454661 Thu, 08 Oct 2009 16:40:28 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=7655#comment-454661 I remember catching myself with a similar thought years ago when I was debating with someone about abortion. I was saying that taxpayers shouldn’t have to fund anything that they find morally reprehensible, but it quickly occurred to me that taxpayer money inevitably is going to be used for lots of things that some people would find morally repugnant. I don’t think that it would be possible for a government to do anything that doesn’t offend some taxpayers.

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By: Historiann http://www.historiann.com/2009/10/08/womens-bodies-in-the-crosshairs-of-health-care-reform/comment-page-1/#comment-454634 Thu, 08 Oct 2009 15:42:36 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=7655#comment-454634 Right on, perpetua: the point is that it’s only individuals and their physicians who know what’s going on with their health and well-being, and nobody else has a right to an opinion about what they do with their bodies, let alone to write legislation forbidding this or requiring that. People who have neither medical training nor familiarity with an individual’s medical record really shouldn’t be in the business of telling other people what to do or what not to do.

squadrato: I’m with you on the wars, but I thought it was actually more controversial to come out as anti-boner pill. (Tragically.)

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