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	<title>Comments on: Electronic textbooks:  mole dishes insider intel</title>
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		<title>By: human</title>
		<link>http://www.historiann.com/2009/10/07/electronic-textbooks-mole-dishes-insider-intel/comment-page-1/#comment-455060</link>
		<dc:creator>human</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 03:11:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You could give them an assignment of printing out all the readings and putting them in a folder or binder by the second week.  That would take care of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You could give them an assignment of printing out all the readings and putting them in a folder or binder by the second week.  That would take care of it.</p>
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		<title>By: Digger</title>
		<link>http://www.historiann.com/2009/10/07/electronic-textbooks-mole-dishes-insider-intel/comment-page-1/#comment-454966</link>
		<dc:creator>Digger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 22:19:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, I think giving them the $ up front makes sense. It will still be way cheaper than the $85 text, AND less paper, since I don&#039;t actually use the whole thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I think giving them the $ up front makes sense. It will still be way cheaper than the $85 text, AND less paper, since I don&#8217;t actually use the whole thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Historiann</title>
		<link>http://www.historiann.com/2009/10/07/electronic-textbooks-mole-dishes-insider-intel/comment-page-1/#comment-454640</link>
		<dc:creator>Historiann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 15:47:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Digger, John S., et al:  Dr. Crazy&#039;s and Shaz&#039;s ideas of explaining the cost savings on the syllabus and urging them to print up all course materials at once are really good ones.  I think it&#039;s the drip-drip-drip of each week having to print something up and make sure you have cash for the printing is what irritates the students.  But if they print it all up at the beginning of the term, before they&#039;re under the crush of assignment deadlines, they get it over with almost as quickly and even more inexpensively than standing in line to buy books.

And, it looks like we&#039;ve pretty much busted the myth of the paperless syllabus/course!  Books are so much more convenient than a huge stack of paper...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Digger, John S., et al:  Dr. Crazy&#8217;s and Shaz&#8217;s ideas of explaining the cost savings on the syllabus and urging them to print up all course materials at once are really good ones.  I think it&#8217;s the drip-drip-drip of each week having to print something up and make sure you have cash for the printing is what irritates the students.  But if they print it all up at the beginning of the term, before they&#8217;re under the crush of assignment deadlines, they get it over with almost as quickly and even more inexpensively than standing in line to buy books.</p>
<p>And, it looks like we&#8217;ve pretty much busted the myth of the paperless syllabus/course!  Books are so much more convenient than a huge stack of paper&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: human</title>
		<link>http://www.historiann.com/2009/10/07/electronic-textbooks-mole-dishes-insider-intel/comment-page-1/#comment-454630</link>
		<dc:creator>human</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 15:40:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Crazy - what a great idea to put the cost savings directly in the syllabus! I will definitely pass that on.  The professor told the students the reasoning for doing it this way in the first class, but it seemed to go in one ear and out the other.  I really like that, because if you tell them up front about how much it will cost, they can just put that much on their print card, if they&#039;re going to be printing in the labs, and not have to worry going forward.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Crazy &#8211; what a great idea to put the cost savings directly in the syllabus! I will definitely pass that on.  The professor told the students the reasoning for doing it this way in the first class, but it seemed to go in one ear and out the other.  I really like that, because if you tell them up front about how much it will cost, they can just put that much on their print card, if they&#8217;re going to be printing in the labs, and not have to worry going forward.</p>
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		<title>By: Digger</title>
		<link>http://www.historiann.com/2009/10/07/electronic-textbooks-mole-dishes-insider-intel/comment-page-1/#comment-454452</link>
		<dc:creator>Digger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 09:52:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I asked my class last year what their reactions to an e-text would be. I was surprised that the answer was no way. They don&#039;t like that it&#039;s only a &quot;rental&quot;, they don&#039;t like that there&#039;s no secondary market, and they want something portable that doesn&#039;t require computer access to read.

I&#039;ve been thinking about replacing my anthology with articles available in the online course space, because of how I use it (each is required to read and work with some of it, but not all of it). It would also be nice to have a variety of articles that I can switch around. After comments here, though, I need to more closely consider this!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I asked my class last year what their reactions to an e-text would be. I was surprised that the answer was no way. They don&#8217;t like that it&#8217;s only a &#8220;rental&#8221;, they don&#8217;t like that there&#8217;s no secondary market, and they want something portable that doesn&#8217;t require computer access to read.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been thinking about replacing my anthology with articles available in the online course space, because of how I use it (each is required to read and work with some of it, but not all of it). It would also be nice to have a variety of articles that I can switch around. After comments here, though, I need to more closely consider this!</p>
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		<title>By: Shaz</title>
		<link>http://www.historiann.com/2009/10/07/electronic-textbooks-mole-dishes-insider-intel/comment-page-1/#comment-454367</link>
		<dc:creator>Shaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 07:09:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Rad Readr --  Wait till you go to a conference with a dozen+ pre-circ papers.  Great to do the reading on the plane without lugging around reams of paper or a battery-bound laptop, not to mention doing searches for the phrase in the paper you are interested in.  (And, like you, the 2 -pages-to-a-page printouts don&#039;t work with my old eyes...)  

Then again, one of the reasons I love it is cause I&#039;m traveling tons, not in a country with affordable books, so perhaps I love it more than I would in the U.S.  But I doubt it.  Immediate gratification is often my BFF.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Rad Readr &#8212;  Wait till you go to a conference with a dozen+ pre-circ papers.  Great to do the reading on the plane without lugging around reams of paper or a battery-bound laptop, not to mention doing searches for the phrase in the paper you are interested in.  (And, like you, the 2 -pages-to-a-page printouts don&#8217;t work with my old eyes&#8230;)  </p>
<p>Then again, one of the reasons I love it is cause I&#8217;m traveling tons, not in a country with affordable books, so perhaps I love it more than I would in the U.S.  But I doubt it.  Immediate gratification is often my BFF.</p>
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		<title>By: Rad Readr</title>
		<link>http://www.historiann.com/2009/10/07/electronic-textbooks-mole-dishes-insider-intel/comment-page-1/#comment-454289</link>
		<dc:creator>Rad Readr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 04:55:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, Historiann. It&#039;s been a while...since you mention it, I have a report on the Kindle. I got a free gift certificate of $100 to Amazon so I was able to cut back the hefty tag. (I head it&#039;s going for $259 now.) So, my first response is that it&#039;s way overpriced, especially since many books are $7-12. Academic books are very expensive. I don&#039;t like the idea of paying $10 for an electronic text and think that Amazon should drop the price of the Kindle itself or drop the price of books after one forks out the initial expenditure.

As to how it works...great for those us  going blind. By adjusting the font size I could read comfortably again! I thought pleasure reading was a thing of the past as a result of my job (kind of like becoming a prostitute) but then found out the problem was my eyesight, not the job. I got a new optometrist. 

The other good part is that books in the public domain are free or 99 cents, so that I have downloaded a lot of 18th and 19th cent novels and can travel with them.  (Poetry doesn&#039;t transfer very well.) The other night I wanted to read a slave narrative that I don&#039;t have in print, and I pulled it up on the Kindle for free. 

Would I do it again? Definitely not without the gift certificate. But a few more good impulse reads might make it worth while. For those considering it, I recommend trying one out to see if you like it before spending the money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, Historiann. It&#8217;s been a while&#8230;since you mention it, I have a report on the Kindle. I got a free gift certificate of $100 to Amazon so I was able to cut back the hefty tag. (I head it&#8217;s going for $259 now.) So, my first response is that it&#8217;s way overpriced, especially since many books are $7-12. Academic books are very expensive. I don&#8217;t like the idea of paying $10 for an electronic text and think that Amazon should drop the price of the Kindle itself or drop the price of books after one forks out the initial expenditure.</p>
<p>As to how it works&#8230;great for those us  going blind. By adjusting the font size I could read comfortably again! I thought pleasure reading was a thing of the past as a result of my job (kind of like becoming a prostitute) but then found out the problem was my eyesight, not the job. I got a new optometrist. </p>
<p>The other good part is that books in the public domain are free or 99 cents, so that I have downloaded a lot of 18th and 19th cent novels and can travel with them.  (Poetry doesn&#8217;t transfer very well.) The other night I wanted to read a slave narrative that I don&#8217;t have in print, and I pulled it up on the Kindle for free. </p>
<p>Would I do it again? Definitely not without the gift certificate. But a few more good impulse reads might make it worth while. For those considering it, I recommend trying one out to see if you like it before spending the money.</p>
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		<title>By: shaz</title>
		<link>http://www.historiann.com/2009/10/07/electronic-textbooks-mole-dishes-insider-intel/comment-page-1/#comment-454228</link>
		<dc:creator>shaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 03:08:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1) I only teach articles and book excerpts -- all acquired legally for a coursepack or through paid online article databases (JSTOR).  Textbook be gone!

2) For ugrads, I offer them an extra credit point (they love that, though it is worth almost nothing) if they bring printouts or show me downloaded PDFs of all the articles the first weeks of class.  This, I think, ups the likelihood that they don&#039;t skip readings when they aren&#039;t easily accessible that week.  I agree -- any impediment to doing the work decreases the likelihood they do it.

3) This greatly reduces costs for students -- a ugrad coursepack costs under $50, and grad students pay under $20 to copy the excerpts they can&#039;t get online.  Now, with scanning, I&#039;m hopeful I can reduce that even more.

4) FYI: I&#039;m a HUGE fan of the Kindle.  No, it isn&#039;t perfect, but I much prefer reading it to paper most days.  I can search for key terms, carry my books anywhere, and you CAN annotate it (not the best keyboard in the world, but then you have a text file of annotations, as opposed to a book with chicken scratches in it).  Can&#039;t wait till more academic presses make their books accessible on it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1) I only teach articles and book excerpts &#8212; all acquired legally for a coursepack or through paid online article databases (JSTOR).  Textbook be gone!</p>
<p>2) For ugrads, I offer them an extra credit point (they love that, though it is worth almost nothing) if they bring printouts or show me downloaded PDFs of all the articles the first weeks of class.  This, I think, ups the likelihood that they don&#8217;t skip readings when they aren&#8217;t easily accessible that week.  I agree &#8212; any impediment to doing the work decreases the likelihood they do it.</p>
<p>3) This greatly reduces costs for students &#8212; a ugrad coursepack costs under $50, and grad students pay under $20 to copy the excerpts they can&#8217;t get online.  Now, with scanning, I&#8217;m hopeful I can reduce that even more.</p>
<p>4) FYI: I&#8217;m a HUGE fan of the Kindle.  No, it isn&#8217;t perfect, but I much prefer reading it to paper most days.  I can search for key terms, carry my books anywhere, and you CAN annotate it (not the best keyboard in the world, but then you have a text file of annotations, as opposed to a book with chicken scratches in it).  Can&#8217;t wait till more academic presses make their books accessible on it.</p>
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		<title>By: Z</title>
		<link>http://www.historiann.com/2009/10/07/electronic-textbooks-mole-dishes-insider-intel/comment-page-1/#comment-454192</link>
		<dc:creator>Z</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 01:42:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>E-reserves but not e-texts. In literature I find students are actually willing to read online or print out if it is free, but the Penguin editions of books are more portable than laptops and don&#039;t cost more than printing would. So I&#039;ll put up links to whatever is available, but if the reading is long the students buy the book.

If it&#039;s a question of a textbook, even an anthology, they want the physical book. Many of these are available in looseleaf, cheaper because they are unbound, and non resalable for that reason. And you can just carry around a chapter if you want your backpack to be light. I won&#039;t assign a textbook or an anthology if I do not intend to actually use most of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>E-reserves but not e-texts. In literature I find students are actually willing to read online or print out if it is free, but the Penguin editions of books are more portable than laptops and don&#8217;t cost more than printing would. So I&#8217;ll put up links to whatever is available, but if the reading is long the students buy the book.</p>
<p>If it&#8217;s a question of a textbook, even an anthology, they want the physical book. Many of these are available in looseleaf, cheaper because they are unbound, and non resalable for that reason. And you can just carry around a chapter if you want your backpack to be light. I won&#8217;t assign a textbook or an anthology if I do not intend to actually use most of it.</p>
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		<title>By: Another Damned Medievalist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Another Damned Medievalist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 22:29:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with Dr. Crazy and Perpetua, in lots of ways.  I use books and e-texts both.  E-texts to save money and when I need excerpts from primary sources they can print out and bring into class.  I like Dr. Crazy&#039;s idea of mentioning costs and will likely do that.  I&#039;m also finding that I need to give students the Penguin option sometimes, too, because some of my students have mentioned that it&#039;s easier for them to deal with longer readings in book form, even if it&#039;s only 50-60 pp. of something much longer (e.g., Thucydides&#039; &lt;i&gt;Peloponnesian War&lt;/i&gt;).  OTOH, sometimes I have a hard time convincing them that a particular edition needs to be bought, because I want them all to read the introduction and notes...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with Dr. Crazy and Perpetua, in lots of ways.  I use books and e-texts both.  E-texts to save money and when I need excerpts from primary sources they can print out and bring into class.  I like Dr. Crazy&#8217;s idea of mentioning costs and will likely do that.  I&#8217;m also finding that I need to give students the Penguin option sometimes, too, because some of my students have mentioned that it&#8217;s easier for them to deal with longer readings in book form, even if it&#8217;s only 50-60 pp. of something much longer (e.g., Thucydides&#8217; <i>Peloponnesian War</i>).  OTOH, sometimes I have a hard time convincing them that a particular edition needs to be bought, because I want them all to read the introduction and notes&#8230;</p>
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