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	<title>Comments on: &#8216;Good people skills&#8217; probably means not telling your supervisors to &#8216;kiss my a$$,&#8217; unfortunately!</title>
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		<title>By: DeAnn</title>
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		<dc:creator>DeAnn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2012 00:51:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can relate to both Ellen and JAckie&#039;s situation. After being in a department for a year I always excelled at whatever I was tasked. I&#039;m the one out of 14 to always offer good suggestions for the betterment of the department. I was one day awarded the Supervisor of the department. Since then persons who I supervised found all the faults they could about my physical appearance. They all resorted to a rumor that I was having an intimate relationship with my immediate manager and that it was now affecting them.they all plotted and went to the human resource department and made up all sorts of stories about how rude and unapproachable I was and the fact that I tend to talk to them with a tone. Bottom line is I am a very principled person and I like for company&#039;s rules to be upheld. To avoid getting any complaints.  About them being overworked by me I have never once delegated any additional task to any of whom I surprise. They added that I do not know how to communicate to them. They didn&#039;t stop until the hour manager stripped me of my title and duties. I was told by such manager that I needed to learn some people skills. Was basically told to stoop to my fellow teamates level as it is felt my level and standards are too high and I need to stop shining so that no one will feel as though am better off than them. So at the end of the day my skills, knowledge and expertise must be compromised so as to protect the feelings of a bunch of adults who suffer from low self esteem and who lack self confidence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can relate to both Ellen and JAckie&#8217;s situation. After being in a department for a year I always excelled at whatever I was tasked. I&#8217;m the one out of 14 to always offer good suggestions for the betterment of the department. I was one day awarded the Supervisor of the department. Since then persons who I supervised found all the faults they could about my physical appearance. They all resorted to a rumor that I was having an intimate relationship with my immediate manager and that it was now affecting them.they all plotted and went to the human resource department and made up all sorts of stories about how rude and unapproachable I was and the fact that I tend to talk to them with a tone. Bottom line is I am a very principled person and I like for company&#8217;s rules to be upheld. To avoid getting any complaints.  About them being overworked by me I have never once delegated any additional task to any of whom I surprise. They added that I do not know how to communicate to them. They didn&#8217;t stop until the hour manager stripped me of my title and duties. I was told by such manager that I needed to learn some people skills. Was basically told to stoop to my fellow teamates level as it is felt my level and standards are too high and I need to stop shining so that no one will feel as though am better off than them. So at the end of the day my skills, knowledge and expertise must be compromised so as to protect the feelings of a bunch of adults who suffer from low self esteem and who lack self confidence.</p>
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		<title>By: Z</title>
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		<dc:creator>Z</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 07:40:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Packing up and quitting the profession because mistreatment is not worth it -- valid.

Refusing to allow oneself to be driven out by discrimination -- valid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Packing up and quitting the profession because mistreatment is not worth it &#8212; valid.</p>
<p>Refusing to allow oneself to be driven out by discrimination &#8212; valid.</p>
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		<title>By: Historiann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Historiann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 03:55:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Janice:  really?  A &quot;fascist control-freak?&quot;  A lot of boys will say that when you tell them that your eyes are up HERE, not down THERE.  (Or, maybe he was commenting about your propensity to write lectures before class, and have discussion questions prepared?)

I was just saying to a colleague today:  the sex bias in evaluations (peer and student, unfortunately) is really disgusting.  Absolutely anything can be turned into a negative in a woman&#039;s professional record, and any potential flaw or weakness in a man&#039;s record can be massaged to reflect his stunning &lt;i&gt;awesomeness.&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Janice:  really?  A &#8220;fascist control-freak?&#8221;  A lot of boys will say that when you tell them that your eyes are up HERE, not down THERE.  (Or, maybe he was commenting about your propensity to write lectures before class, and have discussion questions prepared?)</p>
<p>I was just saying to a colleague today:  the sex bias in evaluations (peer and student, unfortunately) is really disgusting.  Absolutely anything can be turned into a negative in a woman&#8217;s professional record, and any potential flaw or weakness in a man&#8217;s record can be massaged to reflect his stunning <i>awesomeness.</i></p>
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		<title>By: Janice</title>
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		<dc:creator>Janice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 03:17:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s amazing how behaving like a human, when you&#039;re female, gets you in trouble, time and time again. What&#039;s expected or excused of men will get a lot more criticism for women in the professional world.

One male colleague called me a fascist control-freak in the classroom. That was interesting since the closest he&#039;d come to observing my teaching was walking past an open classroom door a few times. But I was not ladylike, after all, after the time I&#039;d shut down his attempt to make awkwardly persistent comments about my dress.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s amazing how behaving like a human, when you&#8217;re female, gets you in trouble, time and time again. What&#8217;s expected or excused of men will get a lot more criticism for women in the professional world.</p>
<p>One male colleague called me a fascist control-freak in the classroom. That was interesting since the closest he&#8217;d come to observing my teaching was walking past an open classroom door a few times. But I was not ladylike, after all, after the time I&#8217;d shut down his attempt to make awkwardly persistent comments about my dress.</p>
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		<title>By: Indyanna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Indyanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 02:41:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perpetua:  Yeah, a dangerous brew. New, younger faculty, (especially with non-western research specialties), women, and survey classes full of curricularly-coerced and predictably resentful customers. We have a watered-down Western Civ knockoff course that all students save history majors have to take, and basically everybody has to teach (and teach, and teach, and teach). We hired, say an Africanist and say an Ottomanist, both women, and the Old Guard said, sure its Western Civ but tweak it anyway you want, do your own thing. They did this and come evaluations time, it was that &quot;Arab-loving @#$%&amp;%*,&quot; and this &quot;[I can&#039;t even say it],&quot; right there in the anonymous instruments. When they lamented about what this would do to their annual reviews or tenurability (much less their sanity), the veteran lugs just shrugged and said, wft, that course is our bread-and-butter, we have to teach it, otherwise they&#039;d downsize us...

As the song says, &quot;one went to Chicago, the other to St. Paul,&quot; literally.  When they had a chance to go they went, and good for them and unfortunate for us. We still teach the bread-and-water course and we all get raked and strafed for it, but in very different ways.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perpetua:  Yeah, a dangerous brew. New, younger faculty, (especially with non-western research specialties), women, and survey classes full of curricularly-coerced and predictably resentful customers. We have a watered-down Western Civ knockoff course that all students save history majors have to take, and basically everybody has to teach (and teach, and teach, and teach). We hired, say an Africanist and say an Ottomanist, both women, and the Old Guard said, sure its Western Civ but tweak it anyway you want, do your own thing. They did this and come evaluations time, it was that &#8220;Arab-loving @#$%&amp;%*,&#8221; and this &#8220;[I can't even say it],&#8221; right there in the anonymous instruments. When they lamented about what this would do to their annual reviews or tenurability (much less their sanity), the veteran lugs just shrugged and said, wft, that course is our bread-and-butter, we have to teach it, otherwise they&#8217;d downsize us&#8230;</p>
<p>As the song says, &#8220;one went to Chicago, the other to St. Paul,&#8221; literally.  When they had a chance to go they went, and good for them and unfortunate for us. We still teach the bread-and-water course and we all get raked and strafed for it, but in very different ways.</p>
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		<title>By: Historiann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Historiann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 23:11:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ha!  That would be a sight to see--if all of the Ellens and Jackies out there getting criticized for being &quot;abrasive&quot; pulled a Comrade PhysioProf on the job!  (I would hope that they would not spare the profanity.)

Frankly, I think Jackie is getting ready to blow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ha!  That would be a sight to see&#8211;if all of the Ellens and Jackies out there getting criticized for being &#8220;abrasive&#8221; pulled a Comrade PhysioProf on the job!  (I would hope that they would not spare the profanity.)</p>
<p>Frankly, I think Jackie is getting ready to blow.</p>
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		<title>By: Comrade PhysioProf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Comrade PhysioProf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 22:03:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The notion that this is not about male privilege and acceptable feminine display is absolutely laughable. I am applauded for displaying myself verbally and sartorially in my professional milieu in ways that would bring massive unrelenting opprobrium upon any woman who did the same.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The notion that this is not about male privilege and acceptable feminine display is absolutely laughable. I am applauded for displaying myself verbally and sartorially in my professional milieu in ways that would bring massive unrelenting opprobrium upon any woman who did the same.</p>
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		<title>By: Historiann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Historiann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 13:31:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clio--your experience is disheartening.  This is just the kind of bullcrap I was talking about in my &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.historiann.com/2009/07/22/what-is-good-teaching-and-how-can-we-know-it/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;recent post on evaluating teaching&lt;/a&gt;:  we really must be specific and concrete, or we&#039;re just being 1) lazy, and 2) subjective.

I agree that some people have a special teaching fairy dust and everything they do is totally awesome--but the rest of us schleppers need to understand the component parts of teaching effectiveness, and to do our best with what we&#039;ve got.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clio&#8211;your experience is disheartening.  This is just the kind of bullcrap I was talking about in my <a href="http://www.historiann.com/2009/07/22/what-is-good-teaching-and-how-can-we-know-it/" rel="nofollow">recent post on evaluating teaching</a>:  we really must be specific and concrete, or we&#8217;re just being 1) lazy, and 2) subjective.</p>
<p>I agree that some people have a special teaching fairy dust and everything they do is totally awesome&#8211;but the rest of us schleppers need to understand the component parts of teaching effectiveness, and to do our best with what we&#8217;ve got.</p>
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		<title>By: Clio Bluestocking</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clio Bluestocking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 13:18:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for the links to my series of posts. As I read yours, I had flashbacks! 

Your point about the nebulous criteria for this emotional caretakeing -- particularly the refusal to point to actual instances of the behavior in question or to specifically address ways to alter that behavior is the key here. 

Last week I was in one of these Center for Teaching and Learning classes that we are required to take. This one was on how to prepare for our performance review. Half of the class was devoted to this tired old exercise (and by &quot;tired&quot; I mean that this was not the first nor the second time that I sat through it) on &quot;what makes a good/bad teacher.&quot; The &quot;good&quot; column was filled with all of these non-specific subjective  terms. 

In a class about a performance review, this bothered me. Don&#039;t tell me a good teacher should be &quot;accomodating.&quot; Tell me exactly what behaviors indicate that a good teacher is being &quot;accomodating.&quot; If something as undefined as &quot;accomodating&quot; or &quot;available&quot; or &quot;caring&quot; or &quot;compassionate&quot; is going to be part of my evaluation, well, that almost feels like a trap. The same sort of trap that Ellen and Jackie seem to have fallen into. It leaves room to assault a person for &quot;feelings&quot; rather than for their ability to do their job well. Plus, this feelings issue was sprung on them at the end, not somewhere earlier when, if there really is a problem of communication or lack of understanding of &quot;the way we do things here&quot; or so forth, it could be prevented from becoming a bigger problem -- just as Dr. Crazy describes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for the links to my series of posts. As I read yours, I had flashbacks! </p>
<p>Your point about the nebulous criteria for this emotional caretakeing &#8212; particularly the refusal to point to actual instances of the behavior in question or to specifically address ways to alter that behavior is the key here. </p>
<p>Last week I was in one of these Center for Teaching and Learning classes that we are required to take. This one was on how to prepare for our performance review. Half of the class was devoted to this tired old exercise (and by &#8220;tired&#8221; I mean that this was not the first nor the second time that I sat through it) on &#8220;what makes a good/bad teacher.&#8221; The &#8220;good&#8221; column was filled with all of these non-specific subjective  terms. </p>
<p>In a class about a performance review, this bothered me. Don&#8217;t tell me a good teacher should be &#8220;accomodating.&#8221; Tell me exactly what behaviors indicate that a good teacher is being &#8220;accomodating.&#8221; If something as undefined as &#8220;accomodating&#8221; or &#8220;available&#8221; or &#8220;caring&#8221; or &#8220;compassionate&#8221; is going to be part of my evaluation, well, that almost feels like a trap. The same sort of trap that Ellen and Jackie seem to have fallen into. It leaves room to assault a person for &#8220;feelings&#8221; rather than for their ability to do their job well. Plus, this feelings issue was sprung on them at the end, not somewhere earlier when, if there really is a problem of communication or lack of understanding of &#8220;the way we do things here&#8221; or so forth, it could be prevented from becoming a bigger problem &#8212; just as Dr. Crazy describes.</p>
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		<title>By: perpetua</title>
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		<dc:creator>perpetua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 12:25:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ FrauTech - the (male) colleague with whom I was speaking is someone who is very attuned to the gender politics of students evals.  He&#039;s noticed how much lower the evals for female faculty are at my uni, especially younger faculty.  And for (female) faculty of color or foreign faculty it&#039;s even worse (anyone with an accent, except Brits), and for any teaching intro classes it&#039;s even worse.  It also happens that the women in my dept tend to be all very take no sh*&amp;, whereas the men tend to be more laid back and mellow.  Of course I don&#039;t think this is an accident.  (White) men are accorded respect and authority in the class room 98% of the time without any trouble.  They can afford to be relaxed because it doesn&#039;t impede student respect.  Whereas young female faculty can get involved in a series of power struggles with domineering male students unless she takes firm and immediate control over her class.  It is interested to think about though - and I know this only one example - a department full of tough and demanding (in a good way) women and laid back and kind of grade inflating men.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ FrauTech &#8211; the (male) colleague with whom I was speaking is someone who is very attuned to the gender politics of students evals.  He&#8217;s noticed how much lower the evals for female faculty are at my uni, especially younger faculty.  And for (female) faculty of color or foreign faculty it&#8217;s even worse (anyone with an accent, except Brits), and for any teaching intro classes it&#8217;s even worse.  It also happens that the women in my dept tend to be all very take no sh*&amp;, whereas the men tend to be more laid back and mellow.  Of course I don&#8217;t think this is an accident.  (White) men are accorded respect and authority in the class room 98% of the time without any trouble.  They can afford to be relaxed because it doesn&#8217;t impede student respect.  Whereas young female faculty can get involved in a series of power struggles with domineering male students unless she takes firm and immediate control over her class.  It is interested to think about though &#8211; and I know this only one example &#8211; a department full of tough and demanding (in a good way) women and laid back and kind of grade inflating men.</p>
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