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		<title>By: Horace</title>
		<link>http://www.historiann.com/2009/09/24/food-identity-and-personal-virtue/comment-page-1/#comment-451716</link>
		<dc:creator>Horace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 02:10:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Late to the party, I know, but I love this post.  I taught several sections of a composition course several years ago built around the politics of food (before *The Omnivore&#039;s Dilemma*), and I always began the class by asking how many people had eaten anything in the last day/week/month that had not been purchased.  In none of the sections at fancy urban university did anyone EVER raise their hand, and even here at Poor-State Flagship, a few had just picked some berries from a raspberry bush in the backyard.

The degree to which &quot;consumption&quot; as a concept maps sustenance onto capital is an important realization for all of us to make.  My people&#039;s food was a lot of mac-n-cheese, pork-n-beans, and boxed pasta with doctored sauce from a jar.  Inexpensive food prepared with care enough to make sure it was tasty and nutritious.  As a comparatively affluent adult (or at least one willing to splurge on food over, say, electronics), I take a deep, and very aspirationally classed pride in my love of Humboldt Fog cheese, Muscovy duck breast, and good red wine, a pride that even my critical awareness of the motives hasn&#039;t dampened.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Late to the party, I know, but I love this post.  I taught several sections of a composition course several years ago built around the politics of food (before *The Omnivore&#8217;s Dilemma*), and I always began the class by asking how many people had eaten anything in the last day/week/month that had not been purchased.  In none of the sections at fancy urban university did anyone EVER raise their hand, and even here at Poor-State Flagship, a few had just picked some berries from a raspberry bush in the backyard.</p>
<p>The degree to which &#8220;consumption&#8221; as a concept maps sustenance onto capital is an important realization for all of us to make.  My people&#8217;s food was a lot of mac-n-cheese, pork-n-beans, and boxed pasta with doctored sauce from a jar.  Inexpensive food prepared with care enough to make sure it was tasty and nutritious.  As a comparatively affluent adult (or at least one willing to splurge on food over, say, electronics), I take a deep, and very aspirationally classed pride in my love of Humboldt Fog cheese, Muscovy duck breast, and good red wine, a pride that even my critical awareness of the motives hasn&#8217;t dampened.</p>
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		<title>By: Making Tacos &#171; Prone to Laughter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Making Tacos &#171; Prone to Laughter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 01:20:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...]    Historiann has a post about food (so does someone else, but I read it on the phone and now can&#8217;t find it).  I remember being a [...]</description>
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		<title>By: GayProf</title>
		<link>http://www.historiann.com/2009/09/24/food-identity-and-personal-virtue/comment-page-1/#comment-446043</link>
		<dc:creator>GayProf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 17:48:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr. Righteous: Wait -- Eat?  And give up my gayish figure?!  No way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Righteous: Wait &#8212; Eat?  And give up my gayish figure?!  No way.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Righteous</title>
		<link>http://www.historiann.com/2009/09/24/food-identity-and-personal-virtue/comment-page-1/#comment-445989</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr. Righteous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 14:59:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ GayProf: What do gay people eat, anyway? I always bring the chips, or the plastic forks and paper plates and napkins, since I have no other model for what an un-womanly female does other than that we don&#039;t cook. So clue me in: What does &quot;our people&#039;s&quot; food look like?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ GayProf: What do gay people eat, anyway? I always bring the chips, or the plastic forks and paper plates and napkins, since I have no other model for what an un-womanly female does other than that we don&#8217;t cook. So clue me in: What does &#8220;our people&#8217;s&#8221; food look like?</p>
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		<title>By: Clio Bluestocking</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clio Bluestocking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 13:50:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The &quot;food of my people&quot; was McDonald&#039;s hamburgers and French fries. My mom was busy. My dad only cooked over open fires. There are many judgements to be made about both.

I keep coming back to this because I&#039;m keep wondering how not eating -- as in fasting or in anorexia -- fits into this. I also wonder about the use of food as a form of control, both socially and individually.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;food of my people&#8221; was McDonald&#8217;s hamburgers and French fries. My mom was busy. My dad only cooked over open fires. There are many judgements to be made about both.</p>
<p>I keep coming back to this because I&#8217;m keep wondering how not eating &#8212; as in fasting or in anorexia &#8212; fits into this. I also wonder about the use of food as a form of control, both socially and individually.</p>
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		<title>By: cgeye</title>
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		<dc:creator>cgeye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 07:23:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And, the standard, PERFECTION SALAD by Laura Shapiro -- the book that opened my eyes about the cultural assumptions behind home economics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And, the standard, PERFECTION SALAD by Laura Shapiro &#8212; the book that opened my eyes about the cultural assumptions behind home economics.</p>
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		<title>By: new prof</title>
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		<dc:creator>new prof</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 18:49:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heh,&quot;food of my people.&quot; I wonder how many colleagues would eat my childhood standby, stir-fried green beans and spam (with lots of MSG)? 

ps To add to the list of Asian American novels about food, _The Book of Salt_ by Monique Truong imagines the life of the Vietnamese cook for Gertrude Stein and Alice B. Toklas; _My Year of Meats_ by Ruth Ozeki follows a documentary filmmaker who interviews families across America about preparing meat dishes. There are many others but those two are my favorites.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heh,&#8221;food of my people.&#8221; I wonder how many colleagues would eat my childhood standby, stir-fried green beans and spam (with lots of MSG)? </p>
<p>ps To add to the list of Asian American novels about food, _The Book of Salt_ by Monique Truong imagines the life of the Vietnamese cook for Gertrude Stein and Alice B. Toklas; _My Year of Meats_ by Ruth Ozeki follows a documentary filmmaker who interviews families across America about preparing meat dishes. There are many others but those two are my favorites.</p>
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		<title>By: HistoryMaven</title>
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		<dc:creator>HistoryMaven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 17:11:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, where does one begin?  I&#039;m deeply in sympathy with Anglachel&#039;s statement.  When I asked my late father what it was like to grow up in a large farm family in the Great Depression, he answered with a short sentence that combined sacrific and shame:  &quot;We ate macaroni every day and I wore your Aunt Francis&#039;s shoes to school.&quot;  Another of my aunts recalled to me, not long ago, that they would awaken to the smell of frying bologna for what would eventually be 10 kids&#039; school lunches.  &quot;Smelled great,&quot; my aunt said, &quot;but fried bologna sandwiches for lunch were pretty soggy.&quot;  

I don&#039;t eat much bologna now, but every once in a while my family indulges in fried bologna sandwiches and we recall my father&#039;s penchant for them.  

My mother grew up in Nazi Germany and learned under that regime to cook and bake like a professional--but she and my aunt had to trade sandwiches along the railroad tracks during and after the war for coal.  My mother&#039;s smoking habit was formed when she was paid in cigarettes to iron GI&#039;s shirts during the Allied occupation--smoking staved off hunger pains.  

So my siblings and I were raised with a lot of thought about food and waste.  Rarely did we dine out.  Sundays and holidays were spent with relatives--nearly every Sunday we went to my great-grandmother&#039;s farm.  I didn&#039;t have fast food until high school.  In our house we didn&#039;t smell fried bologna when we awoke; we smelled soup.  Mom made soup everyday and if you know soup&#039;s history you know that it may be made cheaply and is filling.  We suspect that the recipes she handed down would fill a cookbook section called &quot;soup in a time of war.&quot;  

I can what&#039;s in my garden and, until recently, was the odd person for putting up preserves, tomatoes, pickles, and peppers.  I didn&#039;t make jam this year because I&#039;m out of work and that process is beyond my budget.  My friends are disappointed (but only a few of them have returned the jars for re-use)!

Back in 1984 I was amazed at the Super-Sizing of Everything, not only at MacDonald&#039;s but also food sold as holiday gifts.  Five-pound canisters of M and M&#039;s, for example.  I remember just standing in a department store, thinking about the Ethiopian drought, the rise of homelessness evident in the streets of Reagan&#039;s America,  and the sort of (New) Gilded Age excess revealed in the luxury of spending money for candy and other non-essential comestibles.  Had economists and historians and other social observers considered food rather than house construction and stocks, they may have been able to predict some of the great disparities in income and health Americans are now seeing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, where does one begin?  I&#8217;m deeply in sympathy with Anglachel&#8217;s statement.  When I asked my late father what it was like to grow up in a large farm family in the Great Depression, he answered with a short sentence that combined sacrific and shame:  &#8220;We ate macaroni every day and I wore your Aunt Francis&#8217;s shoes to school.&#8221;  Another of my aunts recalled to me, not long ago, that they would awaken to the smell of frying bologna for what would eventually be 10 kids&#8217; school lunches.  &#8220;Smelled great,&#8221; my aunt said, &#8220;but fried bologna sandwiches for lunch were pretty soggy.&#8221;  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t eat much bologna now, but every once in a while my family indulges in fried bologna sandwiches and we recall my father&#8217;s penchant for them.  </p>
<p>My mother grew up in Nazi Germany and learned under that regime to cook and bake like a professional&#8211;but she and my aunt had to trade sandwiches along the railroad tracks during and after the war for coal.  My mother&#8217;s smoking habit was formed when she was paid in cigarettes to iron GI&#8217;s shirts during the Allied occupation&#8211;smoking staved off hunger pains.  </p>
<p>So my siblings and I were raised with a lot of thought about food and waste.  Rarely did we dine out.  Sundays and holidays were spent with relatives&#8211;nearly every Sunday we went to my great-grandmother&#8217;s farm.  I didn&#8217;t have fast food until high school.  In our house we didn&#8217;t smell fried bologna when we awoke; we smelled soup.  Mom made soup everyday and if you know soup&#8217;s history you know that it may be made cheaply and is filling.  We suspect that the recipes she handed down would fill a cookbook section called &#8220;soup in a time of war.&#8221;  </p>
<p>I can what&#8217;s in my garden and, until recently, was the odd person for putting up preserves, tomatoes, pickles, and peppers.  I didn&#8217;t make jam this year because I&#8217;m out of work and that process is beyond my budget.  My friends are disappointed (but only a few of them have returned the jars for re-use)!</p>
<p>Back in 1984 I was amazed at the Super-Sizing of Everything, not only at MacDonald&#8217;s but also food sold as holiday gifts.  Five-pound canisters of M and M&#8217;s, for example.  I remember just standing in a department store, thinking about the Ethiopian drought, the rise of homelessness evident in the streets of Reagan&#8217;s America,  and the sort of (New) Gilded Age excess revealed in the luxury of spending money for candy and other non-essential comestibles.  Had economists and historians and other social observers considered food rather than house construction and stocks, they may have been able to predict some of the great disparities in income and health Americans are now seeing.</p>
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		<title>By: myiq2xu</title>
		<link>http://www.historiann.com/2009/09/24/food-identity-and-personal-virtue/comment-page-1/#comment-445030</link>
		<dc:creator>myiq2xu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 14:56:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Acquiring food was one of the primary activites of early humans. The switch from hunter-gathering to farming required humans to stay in one place so they began creating permanent dwellings. 

As humans learned to produce rather than find food they were able to divert attention to other activities like arts and crafts.  As the efficiency of food production increased, larger communities became possible.

IOW - food played a major role in the beginning of civilzation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Acquiring food was one of the primary activites of early humans. The switch from hunter-gathering to farming required humans to stay in one place so they began creating permanent dwellings. </p>
<p>As humans learned to produce rather than find food they were able to divert attention to other activities like arts and crafts.  As the efficiency of food production increased, larger communities became possible.</p>
<p>IOW &#8211; food played a major role in the beginning of civilzation.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul S.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 14:09:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I might be wrong about this, but one thing that strikes me regarding cultural perceptions of food consumption (in western culture, at least) is how until recent decades, the consumption of large amounts of high-calorie, high-fat food, and the consequent large waistlines, was considered a sign of wealth and status.  In more recent times, it has become quite the opposite - eating high-fat foods and being heavy is often seen as a sign of lower class and social status, while eating leaner foods and being &quot;thin and fit&quot; is associated with higher social class and status.  When people would tease me about my waistline, I used to reply that 200 years ago my appearance would suggest to people that I was a lot wealthier than my thinner friends were!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I might be wrong about this, but one thing that strikes me regarding cultural perceptions of food consumption (in western culture, at least) is how until recent decades, the consumption of large amounts of high-calorie, high-fat food, and the consequent large waistlines, was considered a sign of wealth and status.  In more recent times, it has become quite the opposite &#8211; eating high-fat foods and being heavy is often seen as a sign of lower class and social status, while eating leaner foods and being &#8220;thin and fit&#8221; is associated with higher social class and status.  When people would tease me about my waistline, I used to reply that 200 years ago my appearance would suggest to people that I was a lot wealthier than my thinner friends were!</p>
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