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	<title>Comments on: Motherhood and the construction of women&#8217;s athletic talent, part II:  U.S. Open edition</title>
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		<title>By: Historiann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Historiann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 10:34:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had no idea that professional tennis players were in a union--but I&#039;m also astonished that there is a men&#039;s union and a women&#039;s union?  Why doesn&#039;t ONE union represent players&#039; interests?  (I understand that women&#039;s matches are shorter than men&#039;s matches--something I also just don&#039;t get in this day &amp; age.)

Ellie--thanks for your comment.  All of my cycling friends are in the hate-Lance crowd, in large part for the reasons you discuss.  But, as someone who doesn&#039;t really follow sports at all, I have to say that I find it hard to blame the Williams sisters or Armstrong for wanting to extend their careers and protect their &quot;brand.&quot;  The rewards of &quot;the love of the sport&quot; aren&#039;t nearly as great as being who they are!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had no idea that professional tennis players were in a union&#8211;but I&#8217;m also astonished that there is a men&#8217;s union and a women&#8217;s union?  Why doesn&#8217;t ONE union represent players&#8217; interests?  (I understand that women&#8217;s matches are shorter than men&#8217;s matches&#8211;something I also just don&#8217;t get in this day &#038; age.)</p>
<p>Ellie&#8211;thanks for your comment.  All of my cycling friends are in the hate-Lance crowd, in large part for the reasons you discuss.  But, as someone who doesn&#8217;t really follow sports at all, I have to say that I find it hard to blame the Williams sisters or Armstrong for wanting to extend their careers and protect their &#8220;brand.&#8221;  The rewards of &#8220;the love of the sport&#8221; aren&#8217;t nearly as great as being who they are!</p>
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		<title>By: John S.</title>
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		<dc:creator>John S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 07:24:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thefrogprincess--you make an excellent point here. Right now in the women&#039;s game you have a system where no one really believes the #1 ranked player is really the best player, or that the system in general really reflects the talent and ability of the top players. The supposedly objective system by which the women are judged and rated is obviously flawed, which helps all kinds of conscious and subconscious things to creep in when we&#039;re evaluating women&#039;s actions. (Come to think of it, it&#039;s a little like negative value judgments are made in academia. Quantitative assessments are almost always full of crap, while subjective judgments become opportunities for bias to flourish.)

There&#039;s an interesting institutional dynamic here as well. Both the men&#039;s and women&#039;s tours have unions that have pretty consistently complained about the length of the season, the fact that players have so much pressure on them to show up to every minor tournament everywhere to keep their rankings up, etc. In essence, the things unions usually complain about: the rules of the workplace and things that impact worker safety.

The difference, though, is that the men&#039;s tennis union seems pretty consistently stronger than the women&#039;s union. The men have been somewhat successful at changing the calendar and the ranking system so that there isn&#039;t the pressure to play every week. The women&#039;s union, on the other hand, has had less success in this respect, and relatively minor tournaments carry a greater relative weight. (To be very arcane, the Women&#039;s tour thinks that the Pilot Pen tournament in New Haven--not a big deal tournament-is half as important as the Grand Slam US Open, while the men&#039;s tour thinks it&#039;s about 30% as important, at least when figuring out the rankings. Yes, I did just look that up.) Sponsors insist that leading women show up at every event--Pilot wants Venus Williams to come to New Haven every August--and the women&#039;s association obliges. This is part of what lends the women&#039;s ranking system a shambolic character. The quantity versus quality ratio of tournament wins is way out of whack in comparison to the men&#039;s game.

Of course, the women&#039;s union has had less success in other areas as well, most notably the difficult struggle to achieve equal pay at many of the major tournaments. The interesting counterfactual would be: what if the women&#039;s union were as strong as the men&#039;s? How would things be different?

I know my posts on this thread keep coming back to some of the same kinds of issues. I can get obsessed with the business/institutional end of sports. But in this case as in many others, I think that the (relative) weakness of institutional support for women pros does influence public perception in sometimes unseen ways.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thefrogprincess&#8211;you make an excellent point here. Right now in the women&#8217;s game you have a system where no one really believes the #1 ranked player is really the best player, or that the system in general really reflects the talent and ability of the top players. The supposedly objective system by which the women are judged and rated is obviously flawed, which helps all kinds of conscious and subconscious things to creep in when we&#8217;re evaluating women&#8217;s actions. (Come to think of it, it&#8217;s a little like negative value judgments are made in academia. Quantitative assessments are almost always full of crap, while subjective judgments become opportunities for bias to flourish.)</p>
<p>There&#8217;s an interesting institutional dynamic here as well. Both the men&#8217;s and women&#8217;s tours have unions that have pretty consistently complained about the length of the season, the fact that players have so much pressure on them to show up to every minor tournament everywhere to keep their rankings up, etc. In essence, the things unions usually complain about: the rules of the workplace and things that impact worker safety.</p>
<p>The difference, though, is that the men&#8217;s tennis union seems pretty consistently stronger than the women&#8217;s union. The men have been somewhat successful at changing the calendar and the ranking system so that there isn&#8217;t the pressure to play every week. The women&#8217;s union, on the other hand, has had less success in this respect, and relatively minor tournaments carry a greater relative weight. (To be very arcane, the Women&#8217;s tour thinks that the Pilot Pen tournament in New Haven&#8211;not a big deal tournament-is half as important as the Grand Slam US Open, while the men&#8217;s tour thinks it&#8217;s about 30% as important, at least when figuring out the rankings. Yes, I did just look that up.) Sponsors insist that leading women show up at every event&#8211;Pilot wants Venus Williams to come to New Haven every August&#8211;and the women&#8217;s association obliges. This is part of what lends the women&#8217;s ranking system a shambolic character. The quantity versus quality ratio of tournament wins is way out of whack in comparison to the men&#8217;s game.</p>
<p>Of course, the women&#8217;s union has had less success in other areas as well, most notably the difficult struggle to achieve equal pay at many of the major tournaments. The interesting counterfactual would be: what if the women&#8217;s union were as strong as the men&#8217;s? How would things be different?</p>
<p>I know my posts on this thread keep coming back to some of the same kinds of issues. I can get obsessed with the business/institutional end of sports. But in this case as in many others, I think that the (relative) weakness of institutional support for women pros does influence public perception in sometimes unseen ways.</p>
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		<title>By: thefrogprincess</title>
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		<dc:creator>thefrogprincess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 05:13:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll admit I fall prey to these arguments against the Williams sisters, particularly Serena, so the comments here have given me some pause. Part of that is no doubt due to the fact that I follow the men&#039;s game more closely than the women&#039;s. But there is something unique about the Williams&#039;s approach to tennis that does distinguish them from, say, Federer, who plays a fairly conservative schedule but rarely if ever bombs in warmup events and plays enough other events to avoid coming in for the same kind of criticism. What I do think is happening, in tennis specifically, is a real disgust towards how shambolic the women&#039;s game is at the moment with a less than legitimate #1 and past #1s fading fast. That disgust is amplified by the fact that the Williams sisters can just pop up at a Slam and win with their &quot;lackadaisical&quot; approach; Clijsters too fits into that narrative. If the women&#039;s tour were as strong as the men&#039;s, then players could not take time off as they wanted and expect to come back contenders. So once again, even subconsciously, women are being held up to an arbitrary standard and deemed substandard and I&#039;ll be the first to admit I fall into this trap.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll admit I fall prey to these arguments against the Williams sisters, particularly Serena, so the comments here have given me some pause. Part of that is no doubt due to the fact that I follow the men&#8217;s game more closely than the women&#8217;s. But there is something unique about the Williams&#8217;s approach to tennis that does distinguish them from, say, Federer, who plays a fairly conservative schedule but rarely if ever bombs in warmup events and plays enough other events to avoid coming in for the same kind of criticism. What I do think is happening, in tennis specifically, is a real disgust towards how shambolic the women&#8217;s game is at the moment with a less than legitimate #1 and past #1s fading fast. That disgust is amplified by the fact that the Williams sisters can just pop up at a Slam and win with their &#8220;lackadaisical&#8221; approach; Clijsters too fits into that narrative. If the women&#8217;s tour were as strong as the men&#8217;s, then players could not take time off as they wanted and expect to come back contenders. So once again, even subconsciously, women are being held up to an arbitrary standard and deemed substandard and I&#8217;ll be the first to admit I fall into this trap.</p>
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		<title>By: Ellie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ellie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 01:24:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In r.e. criticism of the Williams sisters for picking and choosing tournaments, I think there&#039;s maybe a broader sports culture at work here, too. In cycling circles, Lance Armstrong has gotten the same treatment for riding only the Tour de France and specific warm-up grand tour races, like the Giro d&#039;Italia. The discourse there has always seemed to me to be much informed by the sports myths, however unrealistic, of meritocracy and the &quot;love of the game.&quot; Star athletes who focus on the most important or prestigious competitions are seen as being in it for the glory and/or money, rather than for love of the sport. And when they don&#039;t take part in the less glamorous events where the journeymen toil away--and then win those big events--they start to look like aristocrats with special privileges (extra training time and rest), which  violates the myth that if you work hard, pay your dues, and play with heart, you will be rewarded.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In r.e. criticism of the Williams sisters for picking and choosing tournaments, I think there&#8217;s maybe a broader sports culture at work here, too. In cycling circles, Lance Armstrong has gotten the same treatment for riding only the Tour de France and specific warm-up grand tour races, like the Giro d&#8217;Italia. The discourse there has always seemed to me to be much informed by the sports myths, however unrealistic, of meritocracy and the &#8220;love of the game.&#8221; Star athletes who focus on the most important or prestigious competitions are seen as being in it for the glory and/or money, rather than for love of the sport. And when they don&#8217;t take part in the less glamorous events where the journeymen toil away&#8211;and then win those big events&#8211;they start to look like aristocrats with special privileges (extra training time and rest), which  violates the myth that if you work hard, pay your dues, and play with heart, you will be rewarded.</p>
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		<title>By: Historiann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Historiann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 00:22:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John--I read that kind of commentary about the Williamses as gendered as well--the presumption that the public is entitled to their labor.  This is of course a deep and wide discourse about African American men as well.  But the way you describe the construction of their strategy sounds like complaints about &quot;female loaferism&quot; among emancipated African American women in the later 19th C, who were accused of laziness because they weren&#039;t working in every case in other women&#039;s households as domestics!

I know the comparison may strike many as strange, given the amounts of money the Williamses have earned in their careers and the level at which they compete.  But, I suppose a pissed-off public could stop showing up to their matches, could stop supporting the products they endorse, etc., if they were really angry about it.  And yet--the appetite for the Williams sisters is still apparently limitless.  (I have to say, I don&#039;t follow them they way you do, but I&#039;ve admired what I&#039;ve see of  their business savvy.)

Feminist Avatar asks, &lt;i&gt;&quot;What happened to being complex individuals with different identities and roles that informed each other?&quot;&lt;/i&gt;  But--we&#039;re talking about WOMEN, FA, not &quot;individuals&quot; or &quot;people.&quot;  All women are exactly alike and need exactly the same thing!  What is this &quot;individual&quot; of whom you speak?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John&#8211;I read that kind of commentary about the Williamses as gendered as well&#8211;the presumption that the public is entitled to their labor.  This is of course a deep and wide discourse about African American men as well.  But the way you describe the construction of their strategy sounds like complaints about &#8220;female loaferism&#8221; among emancipated African American women in the later 19th C, who were accused of laziness because they weren&#8217;t working in every case in other women&#8217;s households as domestics!</p>
<p>I know the comparison may strike many as strange, given the amounts of money the Williamses have earned in their careers and the level at which they compete.  But, I suppose a pissed-off public could stop showing up to their matches, could stop supporting the products they endorse, etc., if they were really angry about it.  And yet&#8211;the appetite for the Williams sisters is still apparently limitless.  (I have to say, I don&#8217;t follow them they way you do, but I&#8217;ve admired what I&#8217;ve see of  their business savvy.)</p>
<p>Feminist Avatar asks, <i>&#8220;What happened to being complex individuals with different identities and roles that informed each other?&#8221;</i>  But&#8211;we&#8217;re talking about WOMEN, FA, not &#8220;individuals&#8221; or &#8220;people.&#8221;  All women are exactly alike and need exactly the same thing!  What is this &#8220;individual&#8221; of whom you speak?</p>
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		<title>By: Feminist Avatar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Feminist Avatar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 22:04:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know this is slightly off point, but what is with the &#039;I am a ... mother, wife, historian, etc&#039; first, second, fifthly, that have become so popular of late. Since when did we have such an obsession with compartmentalising our identities into different parts and then ranking them. I know that calling yourself a wife or a mother or whatever isn&#039;t new, but this need to split our identities into various parts and then have them compete against each other, seems to be much more culturally important of late.

What happened to being complex individuals with different identities and roles that informed each other?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know this is slightly off point, but what is with the &#8216;I am a &#8230; mother, wife, historian, etc&#8217; first, second, fifthly, that have become so popular of late. Since when did we have such an obsession with compartmentalising our identities into different parts and then ranking them. I know that calling yourself a wife or a mother or whatever isn&#8217;t new, but this need to split our identities into various parts and then have them compete against each other, seems to be much more culturally important of late.</p>
<p>What happened to being complex individuals with different identities and roles that informed each other?</p>
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		<title>By: John S.</title>
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		<dc:creator>John S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 21:58:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK--that was my last long post--I promise! But Historiann, you&#039;re right about the Williams sisters. There are dissertations (ok, at least one) that could be written about their careers. Part of what I find so fascinating about them is how their very rational efforts to prolong their careers are perceived.

Both Serena and Venus play fewer tournaments than the other top female players, which makes perfect sense if you&#039;re in your late 20s and don&#039;t want to get hurt. And how do many fans and pundits respond? You hear complaints about how they aren&#039;t trying hard enough; they disrespect the game by not showing up every week and only putting in effort during the big tournaments. (And there they mostly rely on &quot;natural ability.&quot; It&#039;s almost as if they&#039;re lazy!) Serena especially gets accused of thinking she&#039;s &quot;above the sport&quot; and thinks too much of herself. She&#039;s got a &quot;bad attitude.&quot;

All of these are charges that have been levied against black athletes, male and female, for years. To be reductionist, I think that in some ways the public treats the Williamses as black instead of female. (Telling in and of itself.) And these critiques are deeply related to their efforts to manage their careers and avoid injuries and burnout so that they can play longer as &quot;women&quot; and not as &quot;girls.&quot; (I do not want to know what the coverage would be like if one of them became an unmarried mom, however. Many heads would explode.)

OK--Enough tennis talk for me! Back to work!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK&#8211;that was my last long post&#8211;I promise! But Historiann, you&#8217;re right about the Williams sisters. There are dissertations (ok, at least one) that could be written about their careers. Part of what I find so fascinating about them is how their very rational efforts to prolong their careers are perceived.</p>
<p>Both Serena and Venus play fewer tournaments than the other top female players, which makes perfect sense if you&#8217;re in your late 20s and don&#8217;t want to get hurt. And how do many fans and pundits respond? You hear complaints about how they aren&#8217;t trying hard enough; they disrespect the game by not showing up every week and only putting in effort during the big tournaments. (And there they mostly rely on &#8220;natural ability.&#8221; It&#8217;s almost as if they&#8217;re lazy!) Serena especially gets accused of thinking she&#8217;s &#8220;above the sport&#8221; and thinks too much of herself. She&#8217;s got a &#8220;bad attitude.&#8221;</p>
<p>All of these are charges that have been levied against black athletes, male and female, for years. To be reductionist, I think that in some ways the public treats the Williamses as black instead of female. (Telling in and of itself.) And these critiques are deeply related to their efforts to manage their careers and avoid injuries and burnout so that they can play longer as &#8220;women&#8221; and not as &#8220;girls.&#8221; (I do not want to know what the coverage would be like if one of them became an unmarried mom, however. Many heads would explode.)</p>
<p>OK&#8211;Enough tennis talk for me! Back to work!</p>
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		<title>By: Historiann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Historiann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 21:53:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thefrogprincess--I know you&#039;re not!  (At least, I&#039;ve met John, who looks nothing like a frog princess...)

Fascinating comments about the isolation of the women v. the men.  (Yes, thefrogprincess--this is sounding all too familiar!)  

John S. makes interesting points about the class and race angles here re: education (or lack thereof).  It&#039;s this kind of singlemindedness (being pulled out of school at 14, living in a world of only trainers and stage-parents) of people who aspire to win Grand Slam matches that I was getting at when I expressed skepticism of the media&#039;s angle that Clijsters was a come-from-outta-nowhere victory and that she&#039;s been spending all of her time with her baby rather than on the court.  So much of the work that goes into this level of athletic achievement is masked--intentionally it seems, by the sports press and the sports and players themselves.  (And I think this may be a gender-netural thing.)  Why?  Is it because the fans like to think there is such a thing as a &quot;natural,&quot; rather than a highly cultivated talent?

We take for granted that to get to the top of most professions and the arts, it takes years of training, work, and a singleminded focus on one&#039;s metier.  Why do we still need to believe in the Cinderella Story in sports?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thefrogprincess&#8211;I know you&#8217;re not!  (At least, I&#8217;ve met John, who looks nothing like a frog princess&#8230;)</p>
<p>Fascinating comments about the isolation of the women v. the men.  (Yes, thefrogprincess&#8211;this is sounding all too familiar!)  </p>
<p>John S. makes interesting points about the class and race angles here re: education (or lack thereof).  It&#8217;s this kind of singlemindedness (being pulled out of school at 14, living in a world of only trainers and stage-parents) of people who aspire to win Grand Slam matches that I was getting at when I expressed skepticism of the media&#8217;s angle that Clijsters was a come-from-outta-nowhere victory and that she&#8217;s been spending all of her time with her baby rather than on the court.  So much of the work that goes into this level of athletic achievement is masked&#8211;intentionally it seems, by the sports press and the sports and players themselves.  (And I think this may be a gender-netural thing.)  Why?  Is it because the fans like to think there is such a thing as a &#8220;natural,&#8221; rather than a highly cultivated talent?</p>
<p>We take for granted that to get to the top of most professions and the arts, it takes years of training, work, and a singleminded focus on one&#8217;s metier.  Why do we still need to believe in the Cinderella Story in sports?</p>
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		<title>By: thefrogprincess</title>
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		<dc:creator>thefrogprincess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 21:43:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I swear John S. and I are not the same person.</description>
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		<title>By: thefrogprincess</title>
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		<dc:creator>thefrogprincess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 21:41:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ej: My initial thoughts as to why a career in tennis may be so at odds with having children are these. First, there is a very limited off-season, about six weeks between end of season tourneys in November and the warmups to the Australian Open in early January. Second, tennis requires an inordinate amount of global travel, especially if you&#039;re not one of the top 50. If you&#039;re trying to qualify for major tournaments, you&#039;re grinding it out in the middle of nowhere, Central Asia and the like, at challenger tournaments. And while I&#039;m sure some wives and girlfriends travel with, fewer husbands and boyfriends do so. (Sounds eerily familiar...) In fact, when Justine Henin was Justine Henin-Hardenne, I believe she was one of the very few top women even to be married. Incidentally, tennis journalists have been focused a lot lately on how isolated the women are on tour, traveling mainly with their male coaches, trainers, and occasionally the tyrannical father and rarely socializing with other players. This is stark contrast to the men.

And to historiann&#039;s point about the game being a game for women again and not just girls: I think there&#039;s something to that, especially once you move beyond the top 10. There are a lot of players whose names might not be recognizable to people who have more of a life than I do but who are in their late 20s, early 30s. Ai Sugiyama, for example, is retiring this year at 34. And Venus is nearing 30.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ej: My initial thoughts as to why a career in tennis may be so at odds with having children are these. First, there is a very limited off-season, about six weeks between end of season tourneys in November and the warmups to the Australian Open in early January. Second, tennis requires an inordinate amount of global travel, especially if you&#8217;re not one of the top 50. If you&#8217;re trying to qualify for major tournaments, you&#8217;re grinding it out in the middle of nowhere, Central Asia and the like, at challenger tournaments. And while I&#8217;m sure some wives and girlfriends travel with, fewer husbands and boyfriends do so. (Sounds eerily familiar&#8230;) In fact, when Justine Henin was Justine Henin-Hardenne, I believe she was one of the very few top women even to be married. Incidentally, tennis journalists have been focused a lot lately on how isolated the women are on tour, traveling mainly with their male coaches, trainers, and occasionally the tyrannical father and rarely socializing with other players. This is stark contrast to the men.</p>
<p>And to historiann&#8217;s point about the game being a game for women again and not just girls: I think there&#8217;s something to that, especially once you move beyond the top 10. There are a lot of players whose names might not be recognizable to people who have more of a life than I do but who are in their late 20s, early 30s. Ai Sugiyama, for example, is retiring this year at 34. And Venus is nearing 30.</p>
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