Comments on: Who wants romantic advice from a two-time Stepford loser? http://www.historiann.com/2009/08/31/who-wants-romantic-advice-from-a-two-time-stepford-loser/ History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present Sat, 27 Sep 2014 05:28:47 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.9.2 By: Paul http://www.historiann.com/2009/08/31/who-wants-romantic-advice-from-a-two-time-stepford-loser/comment-page-1/#comment-424067 Tue, 01 Sep 2009 17:14:08 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=7115#comment-424067 Classical liberals believe that humans are perfectable and can learn and grow, whereas conservatives believe that that’s tragically naive. Conservatives believe that “all men are stupid,” unperfectable, ineducable, and therefore great caution must be exercised to ensure that the hoi polloi don’t acutally exercise much influence let alone direct control in a democratic republic. (Better yet, because of man’s essentially “stupid and useless” nature, go for an authoritarian system or perhaps enlightened despotism. At least that’s what conservatives would say.)

It is true that generally conservatives do not believe in the “perfectibility” of people or institutions, but that is a far cry from thinking that they are “ineducable”, let alone “stupid and useless”. Plus, conservatives of a more libertarian bent would be among the last people in the world to support an authoritarian system. (Many conservatives are certainly willing to become authoritarian if it serves their interests, but so are many liberals.)

Another difference, as far as I can tell, is that people more to the liberal side tend to assume that most social problems are caused by the structures and systems of society, while people more to the conservative side tend to assume that most social problems are caused by bad individual actions and choices that are misguided or outright evil. Of course, this has a profound effect on what they believe is the best way to improve society.

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By: Historiann http://www.historiann.com/2009/08/31/who-wants-romantic-advice-from-a-two-time-stepford-loser/comment-page-1/#comment-424066 Tue, 01 Sep 2009 17:14:00 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=7115#comment-424066 Heh. I noticed that the dreadful Rebecca Walker’s article about her terrible, awful, no-good mother’s feminism was published in the Daily Mail. What a tooly rag!

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By: Kathleen Lowrey http://www.historiann.com/2009/08/31/who-wants-romantic-advice-from-a-two-time-stepford-loser/comment-page-1/#comment-424056 Tue, 01 Sep 2009 17:08:33 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=7115#comment-424056 squadratomagico – :)

Feminist Avatar — yeah, the Daily Mail does seem to sort of specialize in All True Reports about “My makeover [photo] and breast implants [photo] did nothing to stop my husband for leaving for a 24 year old bartender [photo] and now I am sad and living with cats [photo] JUST LIKE THE FEMINISTS PLANNED FROM THEIR CENTRAL CONTROL TOWER [photo withheld].

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By: Historiann http://www.historiann.com/2009/08/31/who-wants-romantic-advice-from-a-two-time-stepford-loser/comment-page-1/#comment-423923 Tue, 01 Sep 2009 14:22:56 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=7115#comment-423923 Paul, “all men are stupid and useless” is in fact foundational to modern conservativism, if we read “men” as an ungendered stand-in for “humans” or “people.” (Which of course most conservatives would agree with, since they tend not to go for feminist analyses of language, history, or really anything.)

Classical liberals believe that humans are perfectable and can learn and grow, whereas conservatives believe that that’s tragically naive. Conservatives believe that “all men are stupid,” unperfectable, ineducable, and therefore great caution must be exercised to ensure that the hoi polloi don’t acutally exercise much influence let alone direct control in a democratic republic. (Better yet, because of man’s essentially “stupid and useless” nature, go for an authoritarian system or perhaps enlightened despotism. At least that’s what conservatives would say.)

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By: Paul http://www.historiann.com/2009/08/31/who-wants-romantic-advice-from-a-two-time-stepford-loser/comment-page-1/#comment-423803 Tue, 01 Sep 2009 12:05:51 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=7115#comment-423803 I would agree that the attitude toward men is somewhat insulting, but I’m a little confused by the comment that “all men are useless is the philosophy of modern conservativism [sic?]“.

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By: Leila http://www.historiann.com/2009/08/31/who-wants-romantic-advice-from-a-two-time-stepford-loser/comment-page-1/#comment-423793 Tue, 01 Sep 2009 11:55:57 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=7115#comment-423793 Sigh. Reading stuff like this makes me incredibly grateful for my upbringing (my mum, really). SO many of the ‘debates’ over feminism I got into at uni devolved into this rubbish… presented as ‘empowered’ views of the students around me. I keep trying to hope this sort of stuff is atypical, and then I go have a conversation and realise that a frightening amount of women my age (24) wouldn’t actually be able to see what’s wrong with Weldon’s approach here.

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By: Feminist Avatar http://www.historiann.com/2009/08/31/who-wants-romantic-advice-from-a-two-time-stepford-loser/comment-page-1/#comment-423763 Tue, 01 Sep 2009 10:38:20 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=7115#comment-423763 Er, that should be ‘interviewed’ three career women…

Plus, I should add, lawsuits for writing nonsense is an expected and calculated expense in British journalism- it’s part of the game. Can a dody headline sell more than you’ll lose at court? Of course, because you can then cover the court case as well and make money from it.

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By: Feminist Avatar http://www.historiann.com/2009/08/31/who-wants-romantic-advice-from-a-two-time-stepford-loser/comment-page-1/#comment-423761 Tue, 01 Sep 2009 10:35:35 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=7115#comment-423761 The Daily Mail tho’ has a tendency to a)take a writer’s novel and claim it is their ‘true life’ experience, thus making said person look insane, and b) just make up interviews with people, say what they want to match their extremely anti-woman agenda, and pretend it was all real.

There is the instance where a woman wrote a NOVEL about women who go on holiday for cheap sex, which was turned into a real life story, much to the author’s dismay.

There was also the time they interviewed three career women with kids about their experiences, and said that the women said they couldn’t have it all, everybody suffered, especially the kids, and they were miserable. They got sued for this one and lost big time- they claimed it was an editorial error (making up quotes is an editorial error?).

But ultimately, controversy means more readers, more links, more money in advertising, etc, etc. So, if this doesn’t sound like Fay Wheldon, there is every chance she didn’t say it.

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By: Brian http://www.historiann.com/2009/08/31/who-wants-romantic-advice-from-a-two-time-stepford-loser/comment-page-1/#comment-423633 Tue, 01 Sep 2009 09:22:19 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=7115#comment-423633 Just think of the consequences for gay & lesbian couples. The lesbians are going to be running around completely over caffeinated and we men will be forever tired and grumpy waiting for someone to make the damn coffee.

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By: Comrade PhysioProf http://www.historiann.com/2009/08/31/who-wants-romantic-advice-from-a-two-time-stepford-loser/comment-page-1/#comment-422893 Tue, 01 Sep 2009 00:57:51 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=7115#comment-422893 I’m glad I never even heard of this Weldon fuckwad before.

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