Comments on: Medicare for All: not so scary, is it? http://www.historiann.com/2009/08/11/medicare-for-all-not-so-scary-is-it/ History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present Tue, 23 Sep 2014 15:56:07 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.9.2 By: Indyanna http://www.historiann.com/2009/08/11/medicare-for-all-not-so-scary-is-it/comment-page-1/#comment-401313 Wed, 12 Aug 2009 16:02:18 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=6792#comment-401313 Re socialism and Southern Whites: unless we accept James Carville’s characterization about Pennsylvania, viz. Pittsburgh on one end, Philadelphia on the other, and Alabama in the middle….Arlen Specter got earfuls yesterday of “Go back to Russia, read the bill, your law is dismantling my Constitution” from people in towns I drive by or through too many times each year. I think it’s more sub-regional than sectional or regional. The government-is-the-problem crowd is not used to being on the run during the last generation, they’re taking it hard, and certainly not minding their manners.

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By: Emma http://www.historiann.com/2009/08/11/medicare-for-all-not-so-scary-is-it/comment-page-1/#comment-401261 Wed, 12 Aug 2009 15:11:40 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=6792#comment-401261 The same fear mongering plays very well in the rural north, as well.

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By: Historiann http://www.historiann.com/2009/08/11/medicare-for-all-not-so-scary-is-it/comment-page-1/#comment-400790 Wed, 12 Aug 2009 02:52:24 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=6792#comment-400790 I’d say it’s the same in the West. I don’t recall it having the same traction in the Northeast, but it might be that moderates and liberals are too numerous on the ground (relatively speaking, compared to the South and West anyway).

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By: Dr. Righteous http://www.historiann.com/2009/08/11/medicare-for-all-not-so-scary-is-it/comment-page-1/#comment-400779 Wed, 12 Aug 2009 02:32:45 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=6792#comment-400779 @Jay & Historiann: Jay is right, socialism as a fear-mongering tactic plays down here in the sunny South. And it is a code word for welfare, which in turn is code for doing anything to help Black people (never mind that most of the people on welfare are in the first place, children, and in the second, white).

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By: Jay http://www.historiann.com/2009/08/11/medicare-for-all-not-so-scary-is-it/comment-page-1/#comment-400751 Wed, 12 Aug 2009 01:41:30 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=6792#comment-400751 It’s not really an ad hominem attack- is there such a thing as an ad gentem attack?

While I concede that there are stupid, ignorant people in every region of the US, my personal experience is still that the word “socialism” has traction among Southern Whites that it doesn’t among other race/region combos. They use the word to mean government programs that benefit “other” people.

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By: Historiann http://www.historiann.com/2009/08/11/medicare-for-all-not-so-scary-is-it/comment-page-1/#comment-400451 Tue, 11 Aug 2009 22:17:41 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=6792#comment-400451 Emma–great points about equal access to health care for all in this brave new world. I blogged a few months ago about the idea that the opposition to a single payer system, in which all Americans would be entitled to health care as a right of citizenship rather than as a privilege of belonging to a particular kind of family unit, might be rooted in their desires to extend “coverture” to women and children. But no, no one except the right wingers are talking about abortion or contraceptive rights.

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By: Historiann http://www.historiann.com/2009/08/11/medicare-for-all-not-so-scary-is-it/comment-page-1/#comment-400437 Tue, 11 Aug 2009 22:12:18 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=6792#comment-400437 Hey now–no ad hominem attacks on people’s race or region of origin, Jay. There are foolish people everywhere of all descriptions, which is why we’re in the fix we’re in with health care in this country. The U.S. South hardly has a monopoly on racism–that’s a myth that Northerners and Westerners tell themselves to let themselves off the hook for their racism.

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By: Jay http://www.historiann.com/2009/08/11/medicare-for-all-not-so-scary-is-it/comment-page-1/#comment-400369 Tue, 11 Aug 2009 19:57:17 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=6792#comment-400369 and actually, “ZOMG WITCHES!!!!” would probably play down there too. Southern whites are not a bright bunch, on average.

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By: Jay http://www.historiann.com/2009/08/11/medicare-for-all-not-so-scary-is-it/comment-page-1/#comment-400368 Tue, 11 Aug 2009 19:56:16 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=6792#comment-400368 Shaun-

You’re polling in the wrong region. “SOCIALISM!!!” does play in the South, where it translates to “giving money to the n******”.

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By: Emma http://www.historiann.com/2009/08/11/medicare-for-all-not-so-scary-is-it/comment-page-1/#comment-400366 Tue, 11 Aug 2009 19:49:38 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=6792#comment-400366 And I really am so sorry to be taking up this much space on your blog. I’m over the top about this and blah blah blah, I get that, but I think this is important to think about:

Since government subsidies are going to be provided to (some) poor people who can’t afford insurance premiums, will insurance companies be precluded from offering coverage for abortions to those who are paying their premiums with government subsidies, i.e. “public money”? This language: “that explicitly states no public money can be used to fund abortions” makes me fear that will be the case.

And, re: the “Medicare for all” thing, which I totally, totally support, we have to remember that Congress has barred the use of federal Medicaid funds to pay for abortions, except when the woman’s life would be endangered by a full-term pregnancy, or in cases of rape or incest. (Medicare currently only covers those over 65, so probably abortion was never an issue.)

And note, that the abortion restrictions re: HR 3200 seem to be much more restrictive than the Medicaid restrictions. It seems that nobody is blogging about Health Care Reform specifically from this perspective. Again, sorry for taking up space here.

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