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	<title>Comments on: Teaching and tenure:  what counts (and what&#8217;s good?)</title>
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		<title>By: Worthwhile blog reading &#124; Geeky Mom</title>
		<link>http://www.historiann.com/2009/07/20/what-counts-for-tenure/comment-page-1/#comment-513204</link>
		<dc:creator>Worthwhile blog reading &#124; Geeky Mom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 15:05:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Historiann asks &#8220;How do you define good teaching?&#8221; Thoughtful questions. Of course, there&#8217;s tons of research out there on what creates an effective learning environment (good teaching is usually mostly about having students who learn the material). Sadly, most faculty aren&#8217;t given the time to read this research, although at many institutions, there are teaching resource centers or teaching and learning centers where faculty can learn more. There&#8217;s more to her post than that, so go read. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Historiann asks &#8220;How do you define good teaching?&#8221; Thoughtful questions. Of course, there&#8217;s tons of research out there on what creates an effective learning environment (good teaching is usually mostly about having students who learn the material). Sadly, most faculty aren&#8217;t given the time to read this research, although at many institutions, there are teaching resource centers or teaching and learning centers where faculty can learn more. There&#8217;s more to her post than that, so go read. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: squadratomagico</title>
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		<dc:creator>squadratomagico</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 15:30:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ease of grading doesn&#039;t always correlate with higher evals. In my case, I always have been proud of the fact that my uni evals., as well as my Rateyourprof. comments, very frequently mention that I am a tough grader... yet I get very high scores.

I think I know exactly the reason why, though: I&#039;m super easy about deadlines. I tell them when I hand out assignments that I will readily negotiate with them about extensions -- no questions asked about why they need the extra time. (In huge classes like the ones I teach, it really makes no difference in grading turnaround to get some of the assignments late, since it takes so long to go through the pile anyway). However, I also emphasize that the open extension policy is my way of being flexible, and of allowing them the best possible circumstances in which to do good work. If they still cannot generate good papers, then they will certainly get a low grade, and cannot complain of not having had every consideration. This system, and my frank explanation of it, strikes them as eminently fair, and they often give me high evals. while simultaneously noting that I am a hard-ass grader.

Also, I think I come across like New Kid&#039;s friend: very casual, open, and somewhat eccentric. The kids at Office Park U seem to like that, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ease of grading doesn&#8217;t always correlate with higher evals. In my case, I always have been proud of the fact that my uni evals., as well as my Rateyourprof. comments, very frequently mention that I am a tough grader&#8230; yet I get very high scores.</p>
<p>I think I know exactly the reason why, though: I&#8217;m super easy about deadlines. I tell them when I hand out assignments that I will readily negotiate with them about extensions &#8212; no questions asked about why they need the extra time. (In huge classes like the ones I teach, it really makes no difference in grading turnaround to get some of the assignments late, since it takes so long to go through the pile anyway). However, I also emphasize that the open extension policy is my way of being flexible, and of allowing them the best possible circumstances in which to do good work. If they still cannot generate good papers, then they will certainly get a low grade, and cannot complain of not having had every consideration. This system, and my frank explanation of it, strikes them as eminently fair, and they often give me high evals. while simultaneously noting that I am a hard-ass grader.</p>
<p>Also, I think I come across like New Kid&#8217;s friend: very casual, open, and somewhat eccentric. The kids at Office Park U seem to like that, too.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathleen Lowrey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathleen Lowrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 14:21:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LadyProf -- no problemo, but thanks for noticing!  Since my last name has at least 4 different variants, it happens all the time but like you I do always give a slight twitch :)

Perpetua -- good luck with the glasses; when I was interviewing for tt jobs in my early 30s I actually bought fake eyeglasses halfway through the process for one campus interview!  I didn&#039;t get that job either, and after that went back to au naturel (and eventually landed a job).  But anyway, I do think teaching is 50% performance and props can help, the bigger a class the more formally I dress for it, for ex.

Historiann -- I&#039;m really looking forward to the next round of conversation!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LadyProf &#8212; no problemo, but thanks for noticing!  Since my last name has at least 4 different variants, it happens all the time but like you I do always give a slight twitch <img src='http://www.historiann.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Perpetua &#8212; good luck with the glasses; when I was interviewing for tt jobs in my early 30s I actually bought fake eyeglasses halfway through the process for one campus interview!  I didn&#8217;t get that job either, and after that went back to au naturel (and eventually landed a job).  But anyway, I do think teaching is 50% performance and props can help, the bigger a class the more formally I dress for it, for ex.</p>
<p>Historiann &#8212; I&#8217;m really looking forward to the next round of conversation!</p>
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		<title>By: Historiann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Historiann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 13:25:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kathleen, LadyProf, and perpetua--I think you&#039;ve got it exactly right why I think &quot;excellence&quot; is such a vague and unsatisfying goal, and why &quot;mediocrity&quot; is OK.  Who really can be &quot;excelent,&quot; given the ways in which our identities powerfully shape our students&#039; reactions to us and to our classes?  My guess is only donnish, middle-aged tall white men with English accents.

I too am concerned by the ways in which grade inflation plays in student evaluations.  I&#039;ve heard that there was a study a decade ago (or more) that showed that the evals students gave their teachers correlated almost exactly with the grade they thought they were getting in the class.  (So you give me an &quot;A&quot; and I&#039;ll give you an &quot;A,&quot; and so on.)  I don&#039;t play that game.  I think students need to share some of the risk for being in my classes, and to take responsibility for their own learning.  That in the end is more important to me than my student eval numbers.  (Maybe easy to say, because I&#039;m tenured now!  But it was true even when I wasn&#039;t, probably because I&#039;ve landed in a department where student evals are regarded skeptically and are only one part of the evaluation puzzle.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kathleen, LadyProf, and perpetua&#8211;I think you&#8217;ve got it exactly right why I think &#8220;excellence&#8221; is such a vague and unsatisfying goal, and why &#8220;mediocrity&#8221; is OK.  Who really can be &#8220;excelent,&#8221; given the ways in which our identities powerfully shape our students&#8217; reactions to us and to our classes?  My guess is only donnish, middle-aged tall white men with English accents.</p>
<p>I too am concerned by the ways in which grade inflation plays in student evaluations.  I&#8217;ve heard that there was a study a decade ago (or more) that showed that the evals students gave their teachers correlated almost exactly with the grade they thought they were getting in the class.  (So you give me an &#8220;A&#8221; and I&#8217;ll give you an &#8220;A,&#8221; and so on.)  I don&#8217;t play that game.  I think students need to share some of the risk for being in my classes, and to take responsibility for their own learning.  That in the end is more important to me than my student eval numbers.  (Maybe easy to say, because I&#8217;m tenured now!  But it was true even when I wasn&#8217;t, probably because I&#8217;ve landed in a department where student evals are regarded skeptically and are only one part of the evaluation puzzle.)</p>
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		<title>By: What is good teaching, and how can we know it? : Historiann : History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present</title>
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		<dc:creator>What is good teaching, and how can we know it? : Historiann : History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 13:18:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] by our discussion on Monday about &#8220;Teaching and tenure:  what counts (and what&#8217;s good?),&#8221; and by Dr. Crazy&#8217;s point that we ended up not &#8220;actually talking about how to evaluate [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] by our discussion on Monday about &#8220;Teaching and tenure:  what counts (and what&#8217;s good?),&#8221; and by Dr. Crazy&#8217;s point that we ended up not &#8220;actually talking about how to evaluate [...]</p>
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		<title>By: perpetua</title>
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		<dc:creator>perpetua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 12:43:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I completely agree with you both, Kathleen &amp; LadyProf. That&#039;s how I felt when I read Historiann&#039;s original remark about what&#039;s wrong with a little mediocrity.  That&#039;s a negative word in our culture, of course, but the bell curve analogy explains the situation better. We&#039;re always trying to be GREAT when the reality is so much more mixed. Why isn&#039;t &#039;mixed&#039; ok?  Mixed should be perfectly fine, since our classes our mixed, and most of us are faced the Herculean task of instructing audiences of wildly different skills - from the functionally illiterate to brilliant. And regardless of skills, every student has different learning styles and preferences. 

There is one other big issue we&#039;ve talked too much about regarding evals:the fact that many/some of the highest evaluated teachers are also the higher graders.  The inevitable sentence for them to rate the professor&#039;s &quot;clarity of grading expectations&quot; or whatever they say, it obviously all about &quot;did you get the great you think you deserved?&quot;  Any professor who stringently rejects inflation will have low(er) evals.

I think I&#039;ll start wearing my glasses to class.  It was really hard for me at first because I was a young assistant prof - well really not that young (30), but I looked even younger, so I made up for it by being a complete hardass.  That worked pretty well, actually, though it did scare the pants off of some of them. (I have so far escaped comments about &quot;motherliness&quot; but now that I am a mother, I know they are a-comin&#039;.) I had a student who was so terrified of my &quot;draconian&quot; late policies that he sent his dad to class to explain his absence - he was having emergency surgery on his appendix!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I completely agree with you both, Kathleen &amp; LadyProf. That&#8217;s how I felt when I read Historiann&#8217;s original remark about what&#8217;s wrong with a little mediocrity.  That&#8217;s a negative word in our culture, of course, but the bell curve analogy explains the situation better. We&#8217;re always trying to be GREAT when the reality is so much more mixed. Why isn&#8217;t &#8216;mixed&#8217; ok?  Mixed should be perfectly fine, since our classes our mixed, and most of us are faced the Herculean task of instructing audiences of wildly different skills &#8211; from the functionally illiterate to brilliant. And regardless of skills, every student has different learning styles and preferences. </p>
<p>There is one other big issue we&#8217;ve talked too much about regarding evals:the fact that many/some of the highest evaluated teachers are also the higher graders.  The inevitable sentence for them to rate the professor&#8217;s &#8220;clarity of grading expectations&#8221; or whatever they say, it obviously all about &#8220;did you get the great you think you deserved?&#8221;  Any professor who stringently rejects inflation will have low(er) evals.</p>
<p>I think I&#8217;ll start wearing my glasses to class.  It was really hard for me at first because I was a young assistant prof &#8211; well really not that young (30), but I looked even younger, so I made up for it by being a complete hardass.  That worked pretty well, actually, though it did scare the pants off of some of them. (I have so far escaped comments about &#8220;motherliness&#8221; but now that I am a mother, I know they are a-comin&#8217;.) I had a student who was so terrified of my &#8220;draconian&#8221; late policies that he sent his dad to class to explain his absence &#8211; he was having emergency surgery on his appendix!</p>
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		<title>By: LadyProf</title>
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		<dc:creator>LadyProf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 04:12:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kathleen, sorry for misspelling Lowrey.  I hate when people misspell my own name and should have been more careful.  &quot;Malarkey,&quot; a word I hardly ever use, was the culprit, the anticipation of which addled my fingers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kathleen, sorry for misspelling Lowrey.  I hate when people misspell my own name and should have been more careful.  &#8220;Malarkey,&#8221; a word I hardly ever use, was the culprit, the anticipation of which addled my fingers.</p>
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		<title>By: LadyProf</title>
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		<dc:creator>LadyProf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 02:13:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, that&#039;s just it, Kathleen Lowery--our malarkey about &quot;excellence.&quot;  Teaching is a quotidian task inside a university.  The idea that teaching isn&#039;t good enough unless it&#039;s upper-elite is madness ... but such is the mindset of people who came of age when their own little academic excellence won them formative praise. 

We treat our students the same way.

One can debate which reform is least doomed.  I personally despair of eliminating elitism in higher education, and would instead focus on treating workers fairly.  Criteria used to judge our work performance, including our teaching, should be fair.  No moving the goalposts; no defining Excellence as the characteristics of people already favored.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, that&#8217;s just it, Kathleen Lowery&#8211;our malarkey about &#8220;excellence.&#8221;  Teaching is a quotidian task inside a university.  The idea that teaching isn&#8217;t good enough unless it&#8217;s upper-elite is madness &#8230; but such is the mindset of people who came of age when their own little academic excellence won them formative praise. </p>
<p>We treat our students the same way.</p>
<p>One can debate which reform is least doomed.  I personally despair of eliminating elitism in higher education, and would instead focus on treating workers fairly.  Criteria used to judge our work performance, including our teaching, should be fair.  No moving the goalposts; no defining Excellence as the characteristics of people already favored.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathleen Lowrey</title>
		<link>http://www.historiann.com/2009/07/20/what-counts-for-tenure/comment-page-1/#comment-380738</link>
		<dc:creator>Kathleen Lowrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 00:59:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To a certain degree, I think really brilliant teaching is like brilliant dancing -- it&#039;s gorgeous, and rare, and everyone knows it instantly when they are in its presence.  The profs who have students clambering over one another to enroll in their classes, win tons of awards, get stellar evals year after  year -- they are clearly great. But they probably constitute 5% of the professorial population, and always will.

Beyond that, the dirty secret of teaching is probably that it has a pretty bell-curve like distribution:  there are a few great profs and a few awful ones, and then a huge bump in the middle of most of us who try hard and are okay and are viewed with enthusiasm by some students and disdain by others; we connect in some classes, and with some students and our colleagues connect in other classes with other students.

All the emphasis on &quot;excellent teaching&quot; asks the impossible; what I think would be more useful would be for universities to think about how to keep students and profs alike from becoming cynical about teaching and learning. 

 If you are encouraged in the expectation that all your profs should be GREAT teachers, you are going to find most of your profs pretty thin gruel.  If you are uniformly exhorted to be GREAT teachers, you are going to find student evaluations threatening and hurtful.

What if universities said, hey kids, here are the great profs:  X,Y,Z.  Try to take a class from one of them at some point, you&#039;ll find it a real treat.   Our other profs try hard, too.  If they are awful, we don&#039;t keep them on.  But mostly, you are going to have to meet them halfway -- they are really trying -- and you probably are even going to dislike a few of them from whom you nevertheless have to take a few classes.

And, you know, universities could say to profs -- we know you are making the effort to view your students with the same reasonable, generous attitude with which we encourage them to view you.  How can we promote that as the basis of the best possible teaching and learning environment given the irregular mass of humanity that makes up this (and any) uni?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To a certain degree, I think really brilliant teaching is like brilliant dancing &#8212; it&#8217;s gorgeous, and rare, and everyone knows it instantly when they are in its presence.  The profs who have students clambering over one another to enroll in their classes, win tons of awards, get stellar evals year after  year &#8212; they are clearly great. But they probably constitute 5% of the professorial population, and always will.</p>
<p>Beyond that, the dirty secret of teaching is probably that it has a pretty bell-curve like distribution:  there are a few great profs and a few awful ones, and then a huge bump in the middle of most of us who try hard and are okay and are viewed with enthusiasm by some students and disdain by others; we connect in some classes, and with some students and our colleagues connect in other classes with other students.</p>
<p>All the emphasis on &#8220;excellent teaching&#8221; asks the impossible; what I think would be more useful would be for universities to think about how to keep students and profs alike from becoming cynical about teaching and learning. </p>
<p> If you are encouraged in the expectation that all your profs should be GREAT teachers, you are going to find most of your profs pretty thin gruel.  If you are uniformly exhorted to be GREAT teachers, you are going to find student evaluations threatening and hurtful.</p>
<p>What if universities said, hey kids, here are the great profs:  X,Y,Z.  Try to take a class from one of them at some point, you&#8217;ll find it a real treat.   Our other profs try hard, too.  If they are awful, we don&#8217;t keep them on.  But mostly, you are going to have to meet them halfway &#8212; they are really trying &#8212; and you probably are even going to dislike a few of them from whom you nevertheless have to take a few classes.</p>
<p>And, you know, universities could say to profs &#8212; we know you are making the effort to view your students with the same reasonable, generous attitude with which we encourage them to view you.  How can we promote that as the basis of the best possible teaching and learning environment given the irregular mass of humanity that makes up this (and any) uni?</p>
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		<title>By: Historiann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Historiann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 17:19:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW, many of you have given me some ideas for a post on &quot;what exactly is good teaching and how do we know it when we see it?&quot;  I hope most of you will come back for the discussion of that one, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW, many of you have given me some ideas for a post on &#8220;what exactly is good teaching and how do we know it when we see it?&#8221;  I hope most of you will come back for the discussion of that one, too.</p>
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