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		<title>By: Being a Student: Crazy, Mentoring, and Office Hours &#171; Anumma</title>
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		<dc:creator>Being a Student: Crazy, Mentoring, and Office Hours &#171; Anumma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 13:33:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Dr. Righteous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr. Righteous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 19:03:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speaking of feeling like you&#039;ve been raised by wolves, I just asked my dissertation chair for a reference, and she replied, &quot;I don&#039;t know you well enough.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking of feeling like you&#8217;ve been raised by wolves, I just asked my dissertation chair for a reference, and she replied, &#8220;I don&#8217;t know you well enough.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Shaz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 05:21:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At my research U we have a mentor within the dept AND one outside the departent for junior faculty.  As someone who has been in charge of assigning the mentors outside the department, making a good match is a huge and non-quantifiable part of how successful the mentoring is.  We ask questions of mentees before assignment: both about scholarship and other issues of import(work/life balance, family, commuting issues, diversity, etc).  We also ask that chairs meet once a year with all junior faculty to talk concretely about process.  

Unfortunately, some chairs really resent anyone besides themselves providing information/advice to a junior faculty -- usually those in the most repressive departments, who don&#039;t want junior faculty knowing that there are alternative realities to what is being presented to them by the chair!

I do think institutionalizing this goes a long way to resolving some of the class/gender issues.  When I was in grad school, we surveyed grad students on their experiences, and the biggest discrepancy: male grad students were much more likely to stop by to chat with faculty than were female grad students, who only stopped by with very specific questions.  

Some institutional changes can help to level this playing field.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At my research U we have a mentor within the dept AND one outside the departent for junior faculty.  As someone who has been in charge of assigning the mentors outside the department, making a good match is a huge and non-quantifiable part of how successful the mentoring is.  We ask questions of mentees before assignment: both about scholarship and other issues of import(work/life balance, family, commuting issues, diversity, etc).  We also ask that chairs meet once a year with all junior faculty to talk concretely about process.  </p>
<p>Unfortunately, some chairs really resent anyone besides themselves providing information/advice to a junior faculty &#8212; usually those in the most repressive departments, who don&#8217;t want junior faculty knowing that there are alternative realities to what is being presented to them by the chair!</p>
<p>I do think institutionalizing this goes a long way to resolving some of the class/gender issues.  When I was in grad school, we surveyed grad students on their experiences, and the biggest discrepancy: male grad students were much more likely to stop by to chat with faculty than were female grad students, who only stopped by with very specific questions.  </p>
<p>Some institutional changes can help to level this playing field.</p>
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		<title>By: Historiann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Historiann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 14:50:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PorJ--your mentoring program sounds pretty effective.  I don&#039;t think you implied anything too inappropriate--I just wanted to make the point that junior faculty shouldn&#039;t see a mentor as someone to b!tch to, but rather as someone there to offer specific career advice.  It&#039;s nice that you came to see your mentor as more of a friend than just a professional mentor--it&#039;s always more fun when you can enjoy her company.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PorJ&#8211;your mentoring program sounds pretty effective.  I don&#8217;t think you implied anything too inappropriate&#8211;I just wanted to make the point that junior faculty shouldn&#8217;t see a mentor as someone to b!tch to, but rather as someone there to offer specific career advice.  It&#8217;s nice that you came to see your mentor as more of a friend than just a professional mentor&#8211;it&#8217;s always more fun when you can enjoy her company.</p>
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		<title>By: Lessons for Girls #14: Don&#8217;t just ask, insist on help : Historiann : History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lessons for Girls #14: Don&#8217;t just ask, insist on help : Historiann : History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 14:43:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: PorJ</title>
		<link>http://www.historiann.com/2009/07/16/mentors-and-mentoring-whose-responsibility/comment-page-1/#comment-375149</link>
		<dc:creator>PorJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 14:06:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve miscommunicated about the mentoring relationship I described above.  

It was completely professional - my mentor asked to see my Tenure guidelines (unionized, state-university) and we went over the process in detail.  She asked all the right questions - about the acceptance rate of the journals, how my teaching evals compared to the Department and the college, how I was getting along with others, any red flags? etc. 

As the year went along (one-year process for first year on tenure-line) it morphed into a more collegial/friendly relationship, where we&#039;d go out for coffee and chat about common issues (i.e.: how the financial strain was affecting our Departments, etc.).  It never really got into the realm of &quot;bitching&quot; about the Department, and I didn&#039;t say anything that (I think) could haunt me.  In fact, I think my mentor went first, saying something like: &quot;What about that oddball we all know about in your Department?  is he causing problems for you?&quot;

Also, I should note: the mentoring program was specifically set up this way (I heard) because it is designed to offer an alternative to junior faculty to the standard processes of reporting ethical and professional dilemmas.  For instance: if you&#039;re mentor in the lab is doing something clearly wrong that could damage your career but you don&#039;t feel safe being a whistle-blower, this provides another avenue for reporting.  Plus it also allows for reporting on sexual harassment - or gender discrimination - outside of the standard Departmental or HR route (both problematic for different reasons).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve miscommunicated about the mentoring relationship I described above.  </p>
<p>It was completely professional &#8211; my mentor asked to see my Tenure guidelines (unionized, state-university) and we went over the process in detail.  She asked all the right questions &#8211; about the acceptance rate of the journals, how my teaching evals compared to the Department and the college, how I was getting along with others, any red flags? etc. </p>
<p>As the year went along (one-year process for first year on tenure-line) it morphed into a more collegial/friendly relationship, where we&#8217;d go out for coffee and chat about common issues (i.e.: how the financial strain was affecting our Departments, etc.).  It never really got into the realm of &#8220;bitching&#8221; about the Department, and I didn&#8217;t say anything that (I think) could haunt me.  In fact, I think my mentor went first, saying something like: &#8220;What about that oddball we all know about in your Department?  is he causing problems for you?&#8221;</p>
<p>Also, I should note: the mentoring program was specifically set up this way (I heard) because it is designed to offer an alternative to junior faculty to the standard processes of reporting ethical and professional dilemmas.  For instance: if you&#8217;re mentor in the lab is doing something clearly wrong that could damage your career but you don&#8217;t feel safe being a whistle-blower, this provides another avenue for reporting.  Plus it also allows for reporting on sexual harassment &#8211; or gender discrimination &#8211; outside of the standard Departmental or HR route (both problematic for different reasons).</p>
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		<title>By: Historiann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Historiann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 13:40:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Squadrato--excellent point that one style doesn&#039;t work for all.  A former student of mine is I think a bit frustrated that his Ph.D. advisor isn&#039;t telling him what to write for his dissertation, but is just encouraging him to read widely and to think.  (He thinks for some reason that he needs to decide after one year in a Ph.D. program what his diss. topic will be!  I think he is intimidated by some of his classmates who *claim* that they already have a diss. topic, but I&#039;m skeptical...)

LadyProf, you raise an important question about the politics of an XX person demanding anything--I&#039;m going to post on Sisyphus&#039;s post later today, so as they say, &quot;watch this space...&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Squadrato&#8211;excellent point that one style doesn&#8217;t work for all.  A former student of mine is I think a bit frustrated that his Ph.D. advisor isn&#8217;t telling him what to write for his dissertation, but is just encouraging him to read widely and to think.  (He thinks for some reason that he needs to decide after one year in a Ph.D. program what his diss. topic will be!  I think he is intimidated by some of his classmates who *claim* that they already have a diss. topic, but I&#8217;m skeptical&#8230;)</p>
<p>LadyProf, you raise an important question about the politics of an XX person demanding anything&#8211;I&#8217;m going to post on Sisyphus&#8217;s post later today, so as they say, &#8220;watch this space&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: squadratomagico</title>
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		<dc:creator>squadratomagico</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 08:25:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have mixed feelings about mentoring. On the one hand, I recognize its value if it&#039;s done well and non-intrusively. On the other hand, I hate the feeling that someone is peering over my shoulder, assigned to &quot;keep an eye on me,&quot; and make sure I&#039;m doing things right. I know that&#039;s not the intent of mentoring, but as LOAF suggests, it often can turn out that way. I would far rather bumble along for a bit than be watched, and my tendency as an assistant prof. was to hide my feelings of cluelessness whenever they arose, lest I be thought, well, clueless by my colleagues. OPU&#039;s culture is worse than wolves... more like a sow devouring her young. 

On the other hand, my grad. school mentor was exactly what I wanted and needed. When preparing for prelims, &amp; then writing my diss., I met with her infrequently, like every other month, for several hours at a time. We hashed out tons of ideas and problems and found new directions during those meetings. Then I would disappear into the stacks again until I ran out of steam and needed another charge of fresh energy from her. I *loved* that independent, yet available for in-depth meeting style. On the other hand, others of her students found her too hands-off, so here&#039;s another problem to the mix: great mentoring for one student/prof. is poor mentoring for another.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have mixed feelings about mentoring. On the one hand, I recognize its value if it&#8217;s done well and non-intrusively. On the other hand, I hate the feeling that someone is peering over my shoulder, assigned to &#8220;keep an eye on me,&#8221; and make sure I&#8217;m doing things right. I know that&#8217;s not the intent of mentoring, but as LOAF suggests, it often can turn out that way. I would far rather bumble along for a bit than be watched, and my tendency as an assistant prof. was to hide my feelings of cluelessness whenever they arose, lest I be thought, well, clueless by my colleagues. OPU&#8217;s culture is worse than wolves&#8230; more like a sow devouring her young. </p>
<p>On the other hand, my grad. school mentor was exactly what I wanted and needed. When preparing for prelims, &amp; then writing my diss., I met with her infrequently, like every other month, for several hours at a time. We hashed out tons of ideas and problems and found new directions during those meetings. Then I would disappear into the stacks again until I ran out of steam and needed another charge of fresh energy from her. I *loved* that independent, yet available for in-depth meeting style. On the other hand, others of her students found her too hands-off, so here&#8217;s another problem to the mix: great mentoring for one student/prof. is poor mentoring for another.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 03:08:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Back in my grad school days (&#039;96-&#039;98, in which I managed to get a Master&#039;s and then went to get a job in an unrelated field to pay off my loans and because deep down I realized that I didn&#039;t have the discipline or focus to go further), we didn&#039;t have a formal mentoring program.  Like you said, it was mainly a matter of making connections with fellow students and professors who you sensed might be able and willing to give you good advice.

If I remember correctly, some of my fellow students said that they wished that there was a formal mentoring program.  It might have benefited me, since I tend to be introverted and don&#039;t make connections or network easily.  On the other hand, if the assigned mentor was indifferent, unsympathetic, etc., it could be a disaster.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Back in my grad school days (&#8216;96-&#8217;98, in which I managed to get a Master&#8217;s and then went to get a job in an unrelated field to pay off my loans and because deep down I realized that I didn&#8217;t have the discipline or focus to go further), we didn&#8217;t have a formal mentoring program.  Like you said, it was mainly a matter of making connections with fellow students and professors who you sensed might be able and willing to give you good advice.</p>
<p>If I remember correctly, some of my fellow students said that they wished that there was a formal mentoring program.  It might have benefited me, since I tend to be introverted and don&#8217;t make connections or network easily.  On the other hand, if the assigned mentor was indifferent, unsympathetic, etc., it could be a disaster.</p>
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		<title>By: LadyProf</title>
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		<dc:creator>LadyProf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 02:14:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My place assigns senior faculty to be mentors to junior.  Somehow time ran away and I joined the oldster cohort!  What I like about the practice (I am still new at this venue, year 3) is the baseline uniformity.  People will have divergent experiences as mentees and mentors, but with Mentor in a Can, every junior person is guaranteed some minimum of attention.  Like Historiann, when talking to my protege-in-a-can I try to express myself carefully--&quot;That may be just me; you should find out what others think&quot;--and also to do no harm, or as little harm as possible.

@Sisyphus, I loved your post, but isn&#039;t your stance another iteration of &quot;women don&#039;t ask&quot; re: salary?  If you insist on privilege (or equal pay) and the person you&#039;re talking to doesn&#039;t agree that you are entitled to it, you might get lucky, but you might also come across as an arrogant nut and get punished.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My place assigns senior faculty to be mentors to junior.  Somehow time ran away and I joined the oldster cohort!  What I like about the practice (I am still new at this venue, year 3) is the baseline uniformity.  People will have divergent experiences as mentees and mentors, but with Mentor in a Can, every junior person is guaranteed some minimum of attention.  Like Historiann, when talking to my protege-in-a-can I try to express myself carefully&#8211;&#8221;That may be just me; you should find out what others think&#8221;&#8211;and also to do no harm, or as little harm as possible.</p>
<p>@Sisyphus, I loved your post, but isn&#8217;t your stance another iteration of &#8220;women don&#8217;t ask&#8221; re: salary?  If you insist on privilege (or equal pay) and the person you&#8217;re talking to doesn&#8217;t agree that you are entitled to it, you might get lucky, but you might also come across as an arrogant nut and get punished.</p>
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