Comments on: Why does the NL stink up the joint, year after year? http://www.historiann.com/2009/07/15/why-does-the-nl-stink-up-the-joint-year-after-year/ History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present Mon, 22 Sep 2014 10:08:09 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.9.2 By: Indyanna http://www.historiann.com/2009/07/15/why-does-the-nl-stink-up-the-joint-year-after-year/comment-page-1/#comment-374150 Thu, 16 Jul 2009 20:53:44 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=6277#comment-374150 Yeah, I thought that was pretty funny also. Now, I’m going to call my local all-talk radio show to get one last point in edgewise; then back on the blog for more serious stuff! Thanks, Historiann!! :)

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By: Historiann http://www.historiann.com/2009/07/15/why-does-the-nl-stink-up-the-joint-year-after-year/comment-page-1/#comment-374134 Thu, 16 Jul 2009 18:59:32 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=6277#comment-374134 They’re always in style for guys with big butts!

Sorry to break the news to you, John F. That’s what Mister Dr. Historiann always called Dockers: “pants for guys with big butts,” so I can’t take credit for the line myself. He’s gone with Matt L.’s strategy, and shops at a ranch and feed store called “The Big R” for his Carhart cargo jeans now.

Thanks for all of your insights into the AL/NL rivalry. I think your ideas and historical perspective are really interesting–esp. re: Hotshot Harry’s point about the “beer league,” Buzz’s comment on the stats, and brian’s and Indyanna’s historical perspective. I also want to point out that this thread is quite likely the only all-guy commenter thread in Historiann history! (Well, except for me, of course. Sorry to spoil the no-hitter here!)

So, if Historiann can host an all-XY commenter thread, then the NL has GOT to be able to win in 2010, right?

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By: John F. http://www.historiann.com/2009/07/15/why-does-the-nl-stink-up-the-joint-year-after-year/comment-page-1/#comment-374133 Thu, 16 Jul 2009 18:47:09 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=6277#comment-374133 I didn’t know pleated Dockers were out of style.

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By: Indyanna http://www.historiann.com/2009/07/15/why-does-the-nl-stink-up-the-joint-year-after-year/comment-page-1/#comment-374119 Thu, 16 Jul 2009 17:19:23 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=6277#comment-374119 I get the bobbleheads by going to games of teams that I don’t root for, so they’re better used as trade goods to create class morale than to clutter my shelf. (Historiann ran a picture of a few from my set sometime last fall, since mainly gone to happier homes in the hands of kids who are actually their fans). Now I need more product. But they’ll have to pry my cold dead hands from around my iconic copy of “Mr. Red,” complete with the Victorian America handlebar moustache.

I can’t imagine what the metrics would be for Dean Moneyball, having given up my weak efforts at being a sabermetrician back there in graduate school!

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By: Matt L http://www.historiann.com/2009/07/15/why-does-the-nl-stink-up-the-joint-year-after-year/comment-page-1/#comment-374115 Thu, 16 Jul 2009 17:08:03 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=6277#comment-374115 Historiann, granted the jeans were appalling, but I think you are being a little hard on the Prez. Believe it or not, its tough for guys after a certain age to find jeans that fit right, even if you are in shape. Generally, if you can find something that fits, they look silly. Most stuff is cut for 20-year-olds.

(There is a great Umberto Eco essay on this…)

What you have to do is pony up for Carhart or Dickies dungarees. They are not fashionable, but you look more grownup.

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By: Matt L http://www.historiann.com/2009/07/15/why-does-the-nl-stink-up-the-joint-year-after-year/comment-page-1/#comment-374103 Thu, 16 Jul 2009 17:01:54 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=6277#comment-374103 Indyanna, I like the idea of a “moneyball” dean. That would be awesome. What would the statistical indicators be?

I must confess I really want bobblehead appreciation night at my Uni. I can imagine some of my colleagues immortalized as bobbleheads. Priceless!

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By: Zippa http://www.historiann.com/2009/07/15/why-does-the-nl-stink-up-the-joint-year-after-year/comment-page-1/#comment-373808 Thu, 16 Jul 2009 13:51:32 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=6277#comment-373808 Ann,
I just came across this:

http://community.feministing.com/2009/07/i-will-not-apologize-for-my-au.html

And thought it might be an interesting addition to the “for girls” bits.

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By: Indyanna http://www.historiann.com/2009/07/15/why-does-the-nl-stink-up-the-joint-year-after-year/comment-page-1/#comment-373306 Thu, 16 Jul 2009 03:46:50 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=6277#comment-373306 Obama apparently practiced the pitch with his personal trainer, who I understand is a former Duke basketball player. Once you learn that bounce-pass to the cutting man from Coach K, I guess, there’s no going back to fastballs. ESPN rebroadcast the Home Run Derby tonight. Each of those guys brought their own personal pitchers, who all stood on the flat in front of the mound.

I’ve been thinking all day that there’s a possible point of convergence between this thread and the one on the dean and retention offers. A “Moneyball” dean would dispense with unified field theories (or “policies”) on personnel moves, supported by wheezy aphorisms about who comes where to study with who, in favor of more complex algorithms about how faculty members actually contribute to desired scholastic “outcomes.” This might involve withholding a counter offer to a fading star while upping the tip to the pizza kid to improve morale at middling levels; sponsoring department-level Quizo leagues; actually walking the plant floor to meet teachers on departmental linoleum (never known to happen in my world); or–one of my favorite recent promotions–holding annual “Bobblehead Appreciation Days” in survey classes. My kids love them (it’s safer than Disco Demolition Night) and faculties probably would too.

Maybe this would also dry up the flow of smart 30-year old statistical theorists into baseball front offices!

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By: Hotshot Harry http://www.historiann.com/2009/07/15/why-does-the-nl-stink-up-the-joint-year-after-year/comment-page-1/#comment-373136 Thu, 16 Jul 2009 01:46:15 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=6277#comment-373136 Oh, and Indyanna, I’m with you on the pitch reaching the plate. My theory is that they practice again and again on a flat surface, then get out there to discover that the mound is 10 inches higher than home plate. My playin’ days are long gone, but I do recall it taking some getting used to.

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By: Hotshot Harry http://www.historiann.com/2009/07/15/why-does-the-nl-stink-up-the-joint-year-after-year/comment-page-1/#comment-373126 Thu, 16 Jul 2009 01:40:30 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=6277#comment-373126 Brian U has a point re: big vs. small markets, but I would hasten to note the number of uber-salary stars who were not on either roster last night due to injury, scandal, social toxicity, or generally horrid play. And the seasons put together by the ’08 Rays, ’06 Tigers, and those Ramblin’ Rockies in ’07 suggest that money isn’t everything.

While it is dangerous to extrapolate anything from a series of 1-run wins in the last four All Star Games, I think two related developments are key. First, the AL, long known as the “beer league” of overweight home run hitters, has gradually become a leaner, more athletic, and younger league. Second, (and here’s where money is indeed significant), the AL has vastly superior farm systems through which to develop and cultivate precisely the kinds of players they want. Generally, I think the AL front offices have the lion’s share of baseball geniuses.

As a lifelong Red Sox fan, I for one am glad we’re in a new era. I still cringe thinking about the Red Sox tenures of Jose Canseco, Jack Clark, and Kevin Mitchell.

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