Comments on: Happy Father’s Day? http://www.historiann.com/2009/06/18/happy-fathers-day/ History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present Mon, 22 Sep 2014 10:08:09 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.9.2 By: ADM http://www.historiann.com/2009/06/18/happy-fathers-day/comment-page-1/#comment-338907 Fri, 19 Jun 2009 05:11:34 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=5834#comment-338907 squick x infinity

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By: Rad Readr http://www.historiann.com/2009/06/18/happy-fathers-day/comment-page-1/#comment-338825 Fri, 19 Jun 2009 04:06:13 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=5834#comment-338825 That is a tough post on Clio Bluestocking’s blog.

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By: Indyanna http://www.historiann.com/2009/06/18/happy-fathers-day/comment-page-1/#comment-338795 Fri, 19 Jun 2009 02:51:30 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=5834#comment-338795 This one deserved a long[er] thread by this time, but all day long it was just too depressing to address, much less to even click on the links. I suspect other commenters felt the same way. Those guys profiled above are pretty pathetic.

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By: Bavardess http://www.historiann.com/2009/06/18/happy-fathers-day/comment-page-1/#comment-338626 Thu, 18 Jun 2009 23:00:34 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=5834#comment-338626 I found both those posts incredibly disturbing. In the case of the TV presenter, if he’d been sexualising his 3 or 4 year old daughter in that way (with a male babysitter), it would have been viewed as completely inappropriate (if not abusive). But because it was a boy, it seems to be accepted on the continuum of displays of ‘normal’ masculinity. The story brought back some long-buried squicky memories of teenage babysitting – having a 40 year old man leering at me and making sexual comments while his wife was upstairs getting ready. Blech.

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By: Historiann http://www.historiann.com/2009/06/18/happy-fathers-day/comment-page-1/#comment-338554 Thu, 18 Jun 2009 21:48:11 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=5834#comment-338554 Susan–good point. Whereas girls become victims of the poking, grabbing, and leering (as well as psychological bullying) at adolescence, it’s *little* boys who are subjected to bullying in toddlerhood, as your comment and Clio B’s original post suggests.

A small person in my family was teased at AGE 3 because some neighbor boys saw him outside wearing a dress while playing dressup. Boys are bullied so young to fear not just gender queerness, but are even menaced to conform to a shockingly narrow range of play activities.

Are other boys’ and men’s sex/gender identities so unstable that they’re really threatened by a three year-old playing dressup in his own yard? Apparently so.

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By: Susan http://www.historiann.com/2009/06/18/happy-fathers-day/comment-page-1/#comment-338533 Thu, 18 Jun 2009 21:05:05 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=5834#comment-338533 A little more, prompted by all this. My brother is the youngest of three; my parents were divorced when he was a toddler, so he was raised by my mother, with two older sisters. None of us are shrinking violets. When I was in high school, I babysat for a couple who lived near us. He was a psychiatrist… he kept saying to my mother how hard it must be for my brother to be raised with “such strong women”. My mother always took it as a “threat” that her son would be gay. But none of us were less “strong” to make sure it didn’t happen!

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By: Susan http://www.historiann.com/2009/06/18/happy-fathers-day/comment-page-1/#comment-338530 Thu, 18 Jun 2009 20:50:03 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=5834#comment-338530 It’s so squicky I can’t really get my head around it.

But real…

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By: Lilian Nattel http://www.historiann.com/2009/06/18/happy-fathers-day/comment-page-1/#comment-338463 Thu, 18 Jun 2009 17:40:21 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=5834#comment-338463 It’s unspeakable.

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