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	<title>Comments on: The silliest grade I ever assigned, with apologies to Mr. D+</title>
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		<title>By: Cassandra</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cassandra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 22:22:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like Rad Readr, I graded on a numerical scale where a D+ was one possibility.

Department Chair &quot;recommended&quot; we all avoid giving C- so as to reduce grade appeals, so a D+ or C became the new C- (depending on rounding).

The following semester, DC &quot;recommended&quot; we all avoid C- and D+.

I think he just didn&#039;t get it.  

He needed to find a way to toss out the lame grade appeals before they arrived.  Making the unhappy brats argue why their grade was wrong would have been a 1st step: All appeals based on &quot;Professor X was mean!&quot; could be tossed out immediately.

It would have saved me from a very demeaning grade appeal meeting where 2 other instructors forced me to raise grades because they thought I was too strict (even though the vast majority of the other students passed with flying colours despite my unreasonable expectations that students follow instructions, do the assignment as instructed, and submit them on time).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like Rad Readr, I graded on a numerical scale where a D+ was one possibility.</p>
<p>Department Chair &#8220;recommended&#8221; we all avoid giving C- so as to reduce grade appeals, so a D+ or C became the new C- (depending on rounding).</p>
<p>The following semester, DC &#8220;recommended&#8221; we all avoid C- and D+.</p>
<p>I think he just didn&#8217;t get it.  </p>
<p>He needed to find a way to toss out the lame grade appeals before they arrived.  Making the unhappy brats argue why their grade was wrong would have been a 1st step: All appeals based on &#8220;Professor X was mean!&#8221; could be tossed out immediately.</p>
<p>It would have saved me from a very demeaning grade appeal meeting where 2 other instructors forced me to raise grades because they thought I was too strict (even though the vast majority of the other students passed with flying colours despite my unreasonable expectations that students follow instructions, do the assignment as instructed, and submit them on time).</p>
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		<title>By: Erica</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 17:42:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;one of the plagiarists caught that year was a Master’s degree candidate!&lt;/em&gt;

My last graduate-level thermodynamics course included constructing a materials properties table, using fundamental relations and various equations to put it all together, and requiring a moderately complex sequence of equations that could only be done by computer. A week after it was turned in, the professor sternly told us all how disappointed he was in some of the projects. Turns out two students had created the exact same custom computer code, right down to comments. In addition, six other students had methodologies or results so similar as to be &quot;highly suspicious.&quot; (I got some unexpectedly high grades on this and other assignments in the class, which leads me to suspect there was quite a lot of &quot;collaboration&quot; leading to F&#039;s... including the take-home final exam.)

It&#039;s no wonder falsification of research data and plagiarism is so rampant in the professional world if students think they can get away with it in school. I don&#039;t think there&#039;s truly that much more responsibility among graduate students -- you&#039;ve only weeded out the &quot;worst&quot; undergraduate offenders because they presumably didn&#039;t want to (or weren&#039;t able to) pursue a graduate degree.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>one of the plagiarists caught that year was a Master’s degree candidate!</em></p>
<p>My last graduate-level thermodynamics course included constructing a materials properties table, using fundamental relations and various equations to put it all together, and requiring a moderately complex sequence of equations that could only be done by computer. A week after it was turned in, the professor sternly told us all how disappointed he was in some of the projects. Turns out two students had created the exact same custom computer code, right down to comments. In addition, six other students had methodologies or results so similar as to be &#8220;highly suspicious.&#8221; (I got some unexpectedly high grades on this and other assignments in the class, which leads me to suspect there was quite a lot of &#8220;collaboration&#8221; leading to F&#8217;s&#8230; including the take-home final exam.)</p>
<p>It&#8217;s no wonder falsification of research data and plagiarism is so rampant in the professional world if students think they can get away with it in school. I don&#8217;t think there&#8217;s truly that much more responsibility among graduate students &#8212; you&#8217;ve only weeded out the &#8220;worst&#8221; undergraduate offenders because they presumably didn&#8217;t want to (or weren&#8217;t able to) pursue a graduate degree.</p>
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		<title>By: truffula</title>
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		<dc:creator>truffula</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 02:37:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;student who I think it still miffed with me for giving him an A-&lt;/i&gt;

I had a student like that.  I suggested he take it up with the chair.  Same student would critique my lecture outlines during lectures.  Not a way to gain the benefit of the doubt, dude.

A while back I stopped using +/- in graduate classes (physical sciences). I expect a lot of synthesis and application of principles to novel material and am less interested in &quot;correct&quot; answers than in rigorous thinking.  In this context, those shades of grey +/- seem too subjective to be meaningful. 

I once gave extra points inadvertently  to an entire class (upper division undergraduates), enough to boost some grades from - to +.  &quot;Gee, they didn&#039;t seem to be this strong a group,&quot; I thought, as I was submitting the grades online.  It was the end of the term and I was ready to be done so I didn&#039;t ponder it too deeply.  I think I discovered the error when a student mentioned in passing that a peer was surprised by her grade.  I guess if I&#039;m going to make mistakes, that&#039;s the kind I&#039;d prefer to make.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>student who I think it still miffed with me for giving him an A-</i></p>
<p>I had a student like that.  I suggested he take it up with the chair.  Same student would critique my lecture outlines during lectures.  Not a way to gain the benefit of the doubt, dude.</p>
<p>A while back I stopped using +/- in graduate classes (physical sciences). I expect a lot of synthesis and application of principles to novel material and am less interested in &#8220;correct&#8221; answers than in rigorous thinking.  In this context, those shades of grey +/- seem too subjective to be meaningful. </p>
<p>I once gave extra points inadvertently  to an entire class (upper division undergraduates), enough to boost some grades from &#8211; to +.  &#8220;Gee, they didn&#8217;t seem to be this strong a group,&#8221; I thought, as I was submitting the grades online.  It was the end of the term and I was ready to be done so I didn&#8217;t ponder it too deeply.  I think I discovered the error when a student mentioned in passing that a peer was surprised by her grade.  I guess if I&#8217;m going to make mistakes, that&#8217;s the kind I&#8217;d prefer to make.</p>
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		<title>By: Brett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 01:29:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a student and MIT, we had +/- grades for A-C, but they were purely fictional; they didn&#039;t appear on transcripts.  One classmate of mine said they were really there to make professors feel better, since they could give a student who didn&#039;t quite earn an A a B+ instead and not feel bad about it, even though it was of no use to the student.

The grading system I have to work with now has + grades but no - grades, which I think is pretty silly.  And there&#039;s no A+ either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a student and MIT, we had +/- grades for A-C, but they were purely fictional; they didn&#8217;t appear on transcripts.  One classmate of mine said they were really there to make professors feel better, since they could give a student who didn&#8217;t quite earn an A a B+ instead and not feel bad about it, even though it was of no use to the student.</p>
<p>The grading system I have to work with now has + grades but no &#8211; grades, which I think is pretty silly.  And there&#8217;s no A+ either.</p>
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		<title>By: K.N.</title>
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		<dc:creator>K.N.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 22:53:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had a colleague who expressed a similar opinion as Belle&#039;s.  He said that the D- exists to tell a student that s/he wasn&#039;t smart enough to pull out of the course, take the F, and focus on improving the remaining courses.  

I actually had a student complain about a D grade, arguing that by his math it should have been a D+.  He was really fighting for those precious GPA points; he was a senior and trying to meet the minimum requirement for graduation.  On the flip side, I had a student who I think it still miffed with me for giving him an A- in a US survey course.  It was the only grade below and A he got in four years.  

As for the retake policy, last year when I chaired our university&#039;s chief academic policy committee we considered a proposal to allow retakes for everything below a C.  This was favored by some of the professional programs that had a C minimum requirement to proceed from one course in a sequence to the next.  Because these programs are prized, our administration went a bit haywire, arguing that the policy needed to be changed post-haste.  Once I pointed out that such a change would mean that the lowest grade students would ever have to live with was an &quot;average&quot; grade, and thus could heighten the &quot;problem&quot; of grade inflation, the storm quieted down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had a colleague who expressed a similar opinion as Belle&#8217;s.  He said that the D- exists to tell a student that s/he wasn&#8217;t smart enough to pull out of the course, take the F, and focus on improving the remaining courses.  </p>
<p>I actually had a student complain about a D grade, arguing that by his math it should have been a D+.  He was really fighting for those precious GPA points; he was a senior and trying to meet the minimum requirement for graduation.  On the flip side, I had a student who I think it still miffed with me for giving him an A- in a US survey course.  It was the only grade below and A he got in four years.  </p>
<p>As for the retake policy, last year when I chaired our university&#8217;s chief academic policy committee we considered a proposal to allow retakes for everything below a C.  This was favored by some of the professional programs that had a C minimum requirement to proceed from one course in a sequence to the next.  Because these programs are prized, our administration went a bit haywire, arguing that the policy needed to be changed post-haste.  Once I pointed out that such a change would mean that the lowest grade students would ever have to live with was an &#8220;average&#8221; grade, and thus could heighten the &#8220;problem&#8221; of grade inflation, the storm quieted down.</p>
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		<title>By: Susan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Susan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 22:49:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I once taught a course -- many years ago -- at TR&#039;s Zenith, where I recall there were two failing grades, an E and an F.   Can&#039;t remember the difference.  But I thought it was really weird.

This reminds me of an old Peanuts cartoon that came out in the dark ages when I was in college (punch cards for the computers time).   In it one of the characters got a Z-, and said, &quot;That&#039;s not a grade, that&#039;s an insult.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I once taught a course &#8212; many years ago &#8212; at TR&#8217;s Zenith, where I recall there were two failing grades, an E and an F.   Can&#8217;t remember the difference.  But I thought it was really weird.</p>
<p>This reminds me of an old Peanuts cartoon that came out in the dark ages when I was in college (punch cards for the computers time).   In it one of the characters got a Z-, and said, &#8220;That&#8217;s not a grade, that&#8217;s an insult.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Sisyphus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sisyphus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 21:55:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Totally agreeing with Belle about the D+ as a big FU to the student. At my school too, you can retake an F and have it &quot;expunged&quot; from the transcript, but if you retake a D, both grades will stay there, even though you get the retake factored in to your GPA. I always move a D+ grade into the C- or F range, depending what I think the student should do in the future, unless I really want to send a message.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Totally agreeing with Belle about the D+ as a big FU to the student. At my school too, you can retake an F and have it &#8220;expunged&#8221; from the transcript, but if you retake a D, both grades will stay there, even though you get the retake factored in to your GPA. I always move a D+ grade into the C- or F range, depending what I think the student should do in the future, unless I really want to send a message.</p>
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		<title>By: Historiann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Historiann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 21:27:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bwahahaha!  

I&#039;ve never had a grade appeal at Baa Ram U., although I&#039;m pretty sure it&#039;s not because I&#039;m an easy grader.  I  would actually welcome a few since it would indicate that students cared about their grades.  So many seem to just take Cs and Ds (or even Fs) as a matter of course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bwahahaha!  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve never had a grade appeal at Baa Ram U., although I&#8217;m pretty sure it&#8217;s not because I&#8217;m an easy grader.  I  would actually welcome a few since it would indicate that students cared about their grades.  So many seem to just take Cs and Ds (or even Fs) as a matter of course.</p>
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		<title>By: Mamie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mamie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 21:16:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;My friend had the same answers and got an A&quot;--I&#039;ve had that one more than once, when two students brought in their exams to prove that I had graded one unfairly. When I start pointing out all the differences between the answers, for which student A got a higher grade than student C-, they are amazed. And I wonder, how did they ever think these answers were the same?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;My friend had the same answers and got an A&#8221;&#8211;I&#8217;ve had that one more than once, when two students brought in their exams to prove that I had graded one unfairly. When I start pointing out all the differences between the answers, for which student A got a higher grade than student C-, they are amazed. And I wonder, how did they ever think these answers were the same?</p>
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		<title>By: Janice</title>
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		<dc:creator>Janice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 19:43:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My undergraduate university had no plusses or minuses. Sucked to be just half of a percentage shy of the cut off for an A in chemistry or calculus and get that B, instead. (It sucked worse to get the C instead of a B.) But it worked to my advantage as a history major when I came out with straight As, there!

Here, we assign percentage grades so students don&#039;t automatically get enraged at a D+ in general. It&#039;s the 59 in particular that will drive them nuts -- why are we so mean as to not bump them up the one percentage point? (The same goes for 69 and 79, so much so that it&#039;s a department directive to really think hard before assigning such a mark because you&#039;re pretty much guaranteed to receive an appeal.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My undergraduate university had no plusses or minuses. Sucked to be just half of a percentage shy of the cut off for an A in chemistry or calculus and get that B, instead. (It sucked worse to get the C instead of a B.) But it worked to my advantage as a history major when I came out with straight As, there!</p>
<p>Here, we assign percentage grades so students don&#8217;t automatically get enraged at a D+ in general. It&#8217;s the 59 in particular that will drive them nuts &#8212; why are we so mean as to not bump them up the one percentage point? (The same goes for 69 and 79, so much so that it&#8217;s a department directive to really think hard before assigning such a mark because you&#8217;re pretty much guaranteed to receive an appeal.)</p>
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