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	<title>Comments on: Weekend round-up:  who&#8217;s misbehavin&#8217;? edition</title>
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		<title>By: Historiann</title>
		<link>http://www.historiann.com/2009/05/23/weekend-round-up-whos-misbehavin-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-406850</link>
		<dc:creator>Historiann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 15:28:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Herbert, thanks for your comment, but I&#039;ll just suggest that denial is not just a river in Egypt, and Hagiography is not just a Catholic thing.

Count me in the camp with the impeccable and award-winning scholarship.  The American historical profession has rendered its judgment, and the likeliest scenario is that TJ is the father of all of Sally Hemings&#039; children.  There is no other reasonable conclution for those of us who know more than a little about the social and cultural (and family) history of 18th and 19th C colonial American and U.S. Southern plantation communities.  Please acquaint yourself with the feminist and African American scholarship on this.  You just might learn something.  

I truly don&#039;t understand what&#039;s in it for you or anyone living today to &quot;defend&quot; Jefferson against what you see as spurious &quot;accusations.&quot;  He may have been a rapist, as were many, many (if not most) other slave masters in the Old South.  He may have had an ongoing and loving relationship with an African American woman.  Which is more disturbing to you?  (I think he was more of a rapist than anything else, myself, but that&#039;s neither here nor there.)  But he&#039;s long dead, and no one is putting him on trial--can&#039;t we talk about this like adults?  Why is it so hard to imagine that Jefferson was not the pillar of virtue for the ages that some 19th and 20th C historians invented, but rather a man of his place and time and a prisoner of history, like all of us?  He was a wealthy slaveowner, and one of the privileges that wealthy slaveowners claimed was sexual access to enslaved women.  

(And, dude--what&#039;s with the ALL CAPS?  In case you&#039;re new to the internets, you might want to know that it&#039;s not more persuasive to be read as screaming in people&#039;s faces.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Herbert, thanks for your comment, but I&#8217;ll just suggest that denial is not just a river in Egypt, and Hagiography is not just a Catholic thing.</p>
<p>Count me in the camp with the impeccable and award-winning scholarship.  The American historical profession has rendered its judgment, and the likeliest scenario is that TJ is the father of all of Sally Hemings&#8217; children.  There is no other reasonable conclution for those of us who know more than a little about the social and cultural (and family) history of 18th and 19th C colonial American and U.S. Southern plantation communities.  Please acquaint yourself with the feminist and African American scholarship on this.  You just might learn something.  </p>
<p>I truly don&#8217;t understand what&#8217;s in it for you or anyone living today to &#8220;defend&#8221; Jefferson against what you see as spurious &#8220;accusations.&#8221;  He may have been a rapist, as were many, many (if not most) other slave masters in the Old South.  He may have had an ongoing and loving relationship with an African American woman.  Which is more disturbing to you?  (I think he was more of a rapist than anything else, myself, but that&#8217;s neither here nor there.)  But he&#8217;s long dead, and no one is putting him on trial&#8211;can&#8217;t we talk about this like adults?  Why is it so hard to imagine that Jefferson was not the pillar of virtue for the ages that some 19th and 20th C historians invented, but rather a man of his place and time and a prisoner of history, like all of us?  He was a wealthy slaveowner, and one of the privileges that wealthy slaveowners claimed was sexual access to enslaved women.  </p>
<p>(And, dude&#8211;what&#8217;s with the ALL CAPS?  In case you&#8217;re new to the internets, you might want to know that it&#8217;s not more persuasive to be read as screaming in people&#8217;s faces.)</p>
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		<title>By: Herbert Barger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Herbert Barger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 14:28:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For more accurate reading of the Jefferson-Hemings DNA Study I suggest the reader go to: www.tjheritage.org and www.jeffersondna.com.

Dr Walker and Prof. Gordon-Reed are doing a disservice to our nation and their students by writing definitevly that Thomas Jefferson fathered 7 of Sally Hemings children. There is ABSOLUTELY NO PROOF of this! For REAL research by a team of 13 senior scholars please read the Scholars Commission Report from the suggested web pages. 

I assisted Dr. Foster with the test and there was NO PROOF of such a finding. The original Campaign Lie by James Callender in 1802 was proven just that, A LIE, by the DNA test..........NO Jefferson/Woodson match.

Dr Foster KNEW he was testing a man who descended from the Eston Hemings family and if their oral claims were true, that they descend from &quot;a Jefferson uncle or nephew&quot;, meaning TJ&#039;s brother, Randolph, then there would be an automatic match......and there was. This indicates their oral beliefs were true...NOT THOMAS. Dr Foster refused to give this information to Nature as I had strongly suggested, thus HE and THETY were able to concoct a FALSE headline, &quot;Jefferson fathers slave&#039;s last child.&quot;

The public is being CONNED by such irresponsible research by these members of academia and Monticello intrepetation of biased results. NOTHING proves TJ guilty as charged by these people. Mt. Holyoke removed Professor Joseph Ellis for one year for LYING to his students as exposed in the Boston Globe. It is to be noted that this SAME Professor Joe Ellis, wrote glowing words about Annette Gordon-Reed&#039;s latest book, The Hemingses of Monticello. He ALSO co-wrote a a damning UNTRUTHFUL report in Nature and in other media. 

Herb Barger
Jefferson Family Historian
Founder, Thomas Jefferson Heritage Society
Asst. to Dr. E.A. Foster</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For more accurate reading of the Jefferson-Hemings DNA Study I suggest the reader go to: <a href="http://www.tjheritage.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.tjheritage.org</a> and <a href="http://www.jeffersondna.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.jeffersondna.com</a>.</p>
<p>Dr Walker and Prof. Gordon-Reed are doing a disservice to our nation and their students by writing definitevly that Thomas Jefferson fathered 7 of Sally Hemings children. There is ABSOLUTELY NO PROOF of this! For REAL research by a team of 13 senior scholars please read the Scholars Commission Report from the suggested web pages. </p>
<p>I assisted Dr. Foster with the test and there was NO PROOF of such a finding. The original Campaign Lie by James Callender in 1802 was proven just that, A LIE, by the DNA test&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.NO Jefferson/Woodson match.</p>
<p>Dr Foster KNEW he was testing a man who descended from the Eston Hemings family and if their oral claims were true, that they descend from &#8220;a Jefferson uncle or nephew&#8221;, meaning TJ&#8217;s brother, Randolph, then there would be an automatic match&#8230;&#8230;and there was. This indicates their oral beliefs were true&#8230;NOT THOMAS. Dr Foster refused to give this information to Nature as I had strongly suggested, thus HE and THETY were able to concoct a FALSE headline, &#8220;Jefferson fathers slave&#8217;s last child.&#8221;</p>
<p>The public is being CONNED by such irresponsible research by these members of academia and Monticello intrepetation of biased results. NOTHING proves TJ guilty as charged by these people. Mt. Holyoke removed Professor Joseph Ellis for one year for LYING to his students as exposed in the Boston Globe. It is to be noted that this SAME Professor Joe Ellis, wrote glowing words about Annette Gordon-Reed&#8217;s latest book, The Hemingses of Monticello. He ALSO co-wrote a a damning UNTRUTHFUL report in Nature and in other media. </p>
<p>Herb Barger<br />
Jefferson Family Historian<br />
Founder, Thomas Jefferson Heritage Society<br />
Asst. to Dr. E.A. Foster</p>
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		<title>By: Mongrel Nation &#171; Seminario Permanente de Teoría y Crítica</title>
		<link>http://www.historiann.com/2009/05/23/weekend-round-up-whos-misbehavin-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-323417</link>
		<dc:creator>Mongrel Nation &#171; Seminario Permanente de Teoría y Crítica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 05:08:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] May 2009 &#183; No Comments  See Historiann on the Tenured Radical on Clarence Walker&#8217;s book, and then click through to the TR [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] May 2009 &middot; No Comments  See Historiann on the Tenured Radical on Clarence Walker&#8217;s book, and then click through to the TR [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Art, history, colonialism, and violence: my weekend in the O.C. : Historiann : History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present</title>
		<link>http://www.historiann.com/2009/05/23/weekend-round-up-whos-misbehavin-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-321862</link>
		<dc:creator>Art, history, colonialism, and violence: my weekend in the O.C. : Historiann : History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 15:30:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I spent the weekend in Ocean County with Rad Readrand his family:  Mrs. Readr, Mini-Rad, Marxist Deluxe, and their rescued greyhound Marcus.  (The [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I spent the weekend in Ocean County with Rad Readrand his family:  Mrs. Readr, Mini-Rad, Marxist Deluxe, and their rescued greyhound Marcus.  (The [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Notorious Ph.D.</title>
		<link>http://www.historiann.com/2009/05/23/weekend-round-up-whos-misbehavin-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-320386</link>
		<dc:creator>Notorious Ph.D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2009 05:35:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No misbehaving here -- but it was great to get to meet up with you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No misbehaving here &#8212; but it was great to get to meet up with you!</p>
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		<title>By: Rad Readr</title>
		<link>http://www.historiann.com/2009/05/23/weekend-round-up-whos-misbehavin-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-320383</link>
		<dc:creator>Rad Readr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2009 05:28:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NEWS FLASH - Historiann sighting in the OC! Word is she&#039;ll be running on the beach tomorrow a.m.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NEWS FLASH &#8211; Historiann sighting in the OC! Word is she&#8217;ll be running on the beach tomorrow a.m.</p>
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		<title>By: Isis the Scientist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Isis the Scientist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2009 02:40:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the shout-out, Historiann!  You rule!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the shout-out, Historiann!  You rule!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Indyanna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Indyanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 18:41:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...stretching out *almost* endlessly, I guess, is the operative term, Historiann. Would that it were otherwise. Glad to hear the Hanging Gardens and Libraries etc. are treating you well. It/s pretty nice on the East Coast as well, for the time being anyway. Have a safe trip back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;stretching out *almost* endlessly, I guess, is the operative term, Historiann. Would that it were otherwise. Glad to hear the Hanging Gardens and Libraries etc. are treating you well. It/s pretty nice on the East Coast as well, for the time being anyway. Have a safe trip back.</p>
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