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		<title>By: apacheba</title>
		<link>http://www.historiann.com/2009/05/16/reforming-higher-ed-unleash-the-power-of-the-free-market/comment-page-1/#comment-350501</link>
		<dc:creator>apacheba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 13:58:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indyanna - I remember &#039;Men of LSU&#039; from many years ago.  It was a fascinating portrait of obsession - the abject  identification with a school by local fans who never attended a class there.  LSU is a singular case of AD excess amid academic desperation in a state facing a huge budget crisis.  I have no idea where to look, but would love to find a copy of that documentary.  Any suggestions?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indyanna &#8211; I remember &#8216;Men of LSU&#8217; from many years ago.  It was a fascinating portrait of obsession &#8211; the abject  identification with a school by local fans who never attended a class there.  LSU is a singular case of AD excess amid academic desperation in a state facing a huge budget crisis.  I have no idea where to look, but would love to find a copy of that documentary.  Any suggestions?</p>
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		<title>By: Cassandra</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cassandra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 03:51:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And compare truffula&#039;s coaching salaries with that of TT profs.

And let&#039;s not mention how much adjuncts get paid at most school.  [Just lob off the first digit.]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And compare truffula&#8217;s coaching salaries with that of TT profs.</p>
<p>And let&#8217;s not mention how much adjuncts get paid at most school.  [Just lob off the first digit.]</p>
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		<title>By: truffula</title>
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		<dc:creator>truffula</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 11:26:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s also worth noting the disparity in coaching salaries between women&#039;s and men&#039;s teams.  The numbers at my institution:

Average Annual Institutional Salary per FTE	
men&#039;s teams: $132,391	
women&#039;s teams: $78,761

The difference is much smaller for assistant coaches.  In any case, you can tell by those numbers that we&#039;re not in a premier division so I checked another university down the road:

Average Annual Institutional Salary per FTE	
men&#039;s teams: $274,931	
women&#039;s teams: $107,796

and here, this relationship remains for assistant coaches.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s also worth noting the disparity in coaching salaries between women&#8217;s and men&#8217;s teams.  The numbers at my institution:</p>
<p>Average Annual Institutional Salary per FTE<br />
men&#8217;s teams: $132,391<br />
women&#8217;s teams: $78,761</p>
<p>The difference is much smaller for assistant coaches.  In any case, you can tell by those numbers that we&#8217;re not in a premier division so I checked another university down the road:</p>
<p>Average Annual Institutional Salary per FTE<br />
men&#8217;s teams: $274,931<br />
women&#8217;s teams: $107,796</p>
<p>and here, this relationship remains for assistant coaches.</p>
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		<title>By: Indyanna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Indyanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 02:17:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whoops, my malfunctioning laptop caused the documentary title to evaporate.

The film is called Men of LSU; but Menz of LSU is the suggested alternative title.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whoops, my malfunctioning laptop caused the documentary title to evaporate.</p>
<p>The film is called Men of LSU; but Menz of LSU is the suggested alternative title.</p>
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		<title>By: Indyanna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Indyanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 02:15:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would love to see frozen bread dough sales sweep the nation/s campuses.  For a perspective, about a quarter century old, on how huge state university &lt;&gt; sports athletic programs often resonate far more among segments of the state populations that never have anything to do with the university otherwise, but sometimes quite rich and powerful people, see the documentary &lt;&gt;.  

Although, now that you mention it, &lt;&gt; would be a pretty damn amusing alternative title.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would love to see frozen bread dough sales sweep the nation/s campuses.  For a perspective, about a quarter century old, on how huge state university &lt;&gt; sports athletic programs often resonate far more among segments of the state populations that never have anything to do with the university otherwise, but sometimes quite rich and powerful people, see the documentary &lt;&gt;.  </p>
<p>Although, now that you mention it, &lt;&gt; would be a pretty damn amusing alternative title.</p>
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		<title>By: Historiann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Historiann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 20:27:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right on, Emma.  The numbers at Baa Ram U. were just as depressing.

And you know that some people will argue that zeroing out the free farm teams will only further alienate teh menz and ZOMG what about teh menz!

(No one ever asks why teh boyz and teh menz don&#039;t just, you know, study and do their homework in high school and college.  No--apparently, the men deserve to have subsidized entertainment to top off their underachievement!  I guess that&#039;s the rationale that was at work when the University of Maryland decided to show porn for entertainment for free earlier this spring...)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right on, Emma.  The numbers at Baa Ram U. were just as depressing.</p>
<p>And you know that some people will argue that zeroing out the free farm teams will only further alienate teh menz and ZOMG what about teh menz!</p>
<p>(No one ever asks why teh boyz and teh menz don&#8217;t just, you know, study and do their homework in high school and college.  No&#8211;apparently, the men deserve to have subsidized entertainment to top off their underachievement!  I guess that&#8217;s the rationale that was at work when the University of Maryland decided to show porn for entertainment for free earlier this spring&#8230;)</p>
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		<title>By: Emma</title>
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		<dc:creator>Emma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 19:53:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Total men’s team expenses: $11,452,158.00
Total men’s team revenues: $4,685,026&lt;/i&gt;

Exactly!!  Now, look up how much it costs to fund one football player (at U of M nearly $35,000) and how much it costs to fund a single women&#039;s crew member ($4,500).  There are 110 football players and 99 women&#039;s crew members at U of M.  

Clearly, it&#039;s through adding women to crew that U of M achieves its nearly 50/50 gender ratio and its spending imbalance of 50 cents on the dollar for women&#039;s teams as compared to men&#039;s teams.  Football expenses alone ($16.7 million) are more than the expenses for ALL the women&#039;s sports ($14.8 million) or the expenses for all the other men&#039;s sports ($14 million).

Is that amazing?  You really have to dig into the numbers to see the amazing gender imbalance in dollars spent.  Women&#039;s sports are done on the cheap in every aspect as compared to men&#039;s.  Even spending across the same sport is unequal:  U of M spends twice as much on its men&#039;s b-ball team than on its women&#039;s team.  But the only gender parity anybody ever looks at is in numbers of athletes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Total men’s team expenses: $11,452,158.00<br />
Total men’s team revenues: $4,685,026</i></p>
<p>Exactly!!  Now, look up how much it costs to fund one football player (at U of M nearly $35,000) and how much it costs to fund a single women&#8217;s crew member ($4,500).  There are 110 football players and 99 women&#8217;s crew members at U of M.  </p>
<p>Clearly, it&#8217;s through adding women to crew that U of M achieves its nearly 50/50 gender ratio and its spending imbalance of 50 cents on the dollar for women&#8217;s teams as compared to men&#8217;s teams.  Football expenses alone ($16.7 million) are more than the expenses for ALL the women&#8217;s sports ($14.8 million) or the expenses for all the other men&#8217;s sports ($14 million).</p>
<p>Is that amazing?  You really have to dig into the numbers to see the amazing gender imbalance in dollars spent.  Women&#8217;s sports are done on the cheap in every aspect as compared to men&#8217;s.  Even spending across the same sport is unequal:  U of M spends twice as much on its men&#8217;s b-ball team than on its women&#8217;s team.  But the only gender parity anybody ever looks at is in numbers of athletes.</p>
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		<title>By: Erica</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 19:23:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d be a lot more in favor of college sports if they were less &lt;em&gt;silly&lt;/em&gt;. I spend far too much time listening to my fellow students insult Clemson University, USC&#039;s huge rival and enemy sports team blah blah blah. (The engineering department recently hired a new undergrad lab manager, and every time he&#039;s mentioned, literally every time so far, the sentence, &quot;He&#039;s a Clemson grad, but we&#039;ll forgive him for that,&quot; is added. HAHA TEH FUNNY.) It&#039;s artificial, pointless, goofy, a waste of time, and makes me want to paint myself in tiger stripes just to piss off other people on campus. (And this is at USC, a school which unusually manages to make a profitable income from its sports program -- apparently by inspiring rabid devotion.)

Re bake sales -- Nice point. But why would sports teams put in effort to make money when there&#039;s a whole department dedicated to their comfort and success? Compare the number of academic or student groups that run bake sales, cookouts, pizza sales, or movie nights to raise money; those students are learning organization, salesmanship, and advertising skills through such activities, useful (though not critical) life lessons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d be a lot more in favor of college sports if they were less <em>silly</em>. I spend far too much time listening to my fellow students insult Clemson University, USC&#8217;s huge rival and enemy sports team blah blah blah. (The engineering department recently hired a new undergrad lab manager, and every time he&#8217;s mentioned, literally every time so far, the sentence, &#8220;He&#8217;s a Clemson grad, but we&#8217;ll forgive him for that,&#8221; is added. HAHA TEH FUNNY.) It&#8217;s artificial, pointless, goofy, a waste of time, and makes me want to paint myself in tiger stripes just to piss off other people on campus. (And this is at USC, a school which unusually manages to make a profitable income from its sports program &#8212; apparently by inspiring rabid devotion.)</p>
<p>Re bake sales &#8212; Nice point. But why would sports teams put in effort to make money when there&#8217;s a whole department dedicated to their comfort and success? Compare the number of academic or student groups that run bake sales, cookouts, pizza sales, or movie nights to raise money; those students are learning organization, salesmanship, and advertising skills through such activities, useful (though not critical) life lessons.</p>
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		<title>By: Historiann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Historiann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 19:10:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LadyProf--what I envision isn&#039;t zeroing out the budgets for all sports.  I&#039;d vote to have student fees go to support sports at the club team level--loan them buses to drive to local games and matches, etc.  I&#039;d also support the university maintaining a gym and training fields for practice and for hosting games.  I&#039;m very pro-athletics as (as Janice suggests) something to participate in rather than to sit around and get drunk while watching.

But, teams need to show team spirit by having bake sales, selling fruit, and frozen bread dough!  Where&#039;s the fun in just expecting the university to furnish absolutely everything for your team?  Come on--those kids in the drama department have to volunteer to build the sets for their plays and to make their costumes--and that&#039;s something that they&#039;re doing for academic credit.  So team members can and should expect to pony up to suppor their team.  (Besides, joining a gym after graduation will be a lot more expensive than club sports in college.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LadyProf&#8211;what I envision isn&#8217;t zeroing out the budgets for all sports.  I&#8217;d vote to have student fees go to support sports at the club team level&#8211;loan them buses to drive to local games and matches, etc.  I&#8217;d also support the university maintaining a gym and training fields for practice and for hosting games.  I&#8217;m very pro-athletics as (as Janice suggests) something to participate in rather than to sit around and get drunk while watching.</p>
<p>But, teams need to show team spirit by having bake sales, selling fruit, and frozen bread dough!  Where&#8217;s the fun in just expecting the university to furnish absolutely everything for your team?  Come on&#8211;those kids in the drama department have to volunteer to build the sets for their plays and to make their costumes&#8211;and that&#8217;s something that they&#8217;re doing for academic credit.  So team members can and should expect to pony up to suppor their team.  (Besides, joining a gym after graduation will be a lot more expensive than club sports in college.)</p>
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		<title>By: Historiann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Historiann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 19:06:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Emma--thanks for the link.  That&#039;s some very handy data to mine.

I looked up the expenses to revenues for Baa Ram U. in 2007, the most recent year for which data is available.  

Total men&#039;s team expenses:  $11,452,158.00 
Total men&#039;s team revenues:  $4,685,026

When the College of Liberal Arts is subsidized to the tune of 59 cents on the dollar (that is, nearly 60% more than it takes in with tuition money), then we can talk about having an NFL and NBA free farm team again.    

(But that ain&#039;t gonna happen!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Emma&#8211;thanks for the link.  That&#8217;s some very handy data to mine.</p>
<p>I looked up the expenses to revenues for Baa Ram U. in 2007, the most recent year for which data is available.  </p>
<p>Total men&#8217;s team expenses:  $11,452,158.00<br />
Total men&#8217;s team revenues:  $4,685,026</p>
<p>When the College of Liberal Arts is subsidized to the tune of 59 cents on the dollar (that is, nearly 60% more than it takes in with tuition money), then we can talk about having an NFL and NBA free farm team again.    </p>
<p>(But that ain&#8217;t gonna happen!)</p>
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