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		<title>By: Man shoots women: just another &#8220;dog-bites-man&#8221; story! : Historiann : History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present</title>
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		<dc:creator>Man shoots women: just another &#8220;dog-bites-man&#8221; story! : Historiann : History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Aug 2009 16:12:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] gynocide and the perverse linkage between masculinity and violence (especially gun violence), see here, here, here, and here&#8211;commentaries on incidents of men killing women and their own [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Jemima Aslana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jemima Aslana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 04:14:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While it&#039;s all terrible for poor Justin-Jinich and her amily I d approve of the story being about her killer. A murder is usually more about the killer&#039;s complete lack of respect, tolerance etc than about anything the victim does.

Recently I read a post on a trans woman&#039;s blog, where it was pointed out that as long as rapes and murders of trans women (and of women in general) continue to be stories of how victims got themselves into a bad situation or lied, or acted out or... then the victim-blaming will continue.

I actually see it as a step forward for the story to be about the one it&#039;s actually about. Namely the culprit who did what he did, not because anything the victim could have changed, but because he CHOSE to do it. 

It&#039;s tragic that yet another woman&#039;s life is lost, but that&#039;s it. Write an empathetic obit and let that be it. She does not deserve to have her story, her personal life dragged through the media, because we know how many of them will treat her story. And she doesn&#039;t deserve to become &#039;an example&#039; or &#039;a lesson&#039; to others. She&#039;s a person and none of us knew her, we never would have known her except for one thing: A man decided to murder her, because he&#039;s not right in the head.

I don&#039;t want to read about the victim. Nothing in her story can help me avoid getting killed, nothing in her actions can teach anyone else what not to do. Anything else we might read is what I&#039;d call &#039;privacy porn&#039;. We suddenly want to know as much as possible about a person we&#039;ve never heard before, whom we&#039;ll never meet, and who will never have an impact on our lives, but we want all the details of her life anyway, even as she&#039;s not even alive to deny us that access should she have wished it.

Instead, I want to read about why the killer did what he did, and how our society and we as voters can help make changes for the better. This would, of course, demand that we talk about the real reasons for his crime, namely misogyny and kyriarchy, rather than the prep school bullshit commenters here have pointed out. So I would agree with the media focus in this case: keep it on the murderer - it is his actions we can learn from.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While it&#8217;s all terrible for poor Justin-Jinich and her amily I d approve of the story being about her killer. A murder is usually more about the killer&#8217;s complete lack of respect, tolerance etc than about anything the victim does.</p>
<p>Recently I read a post on a trans woman&#8217;s blog, where it was pointed out that as long as rapes and murders of trans women (and of women in general) continue to be stories of how victims got themselves into a bad situation or lied, or acted out or&#8230; then the victim-blaming will continue.</p>
<p>I actually see it as a step forward for the story to be about the one it&#8217;s actually about. Namely the culprit who did what he did, not because anything the victim could have changed, but because he CHOSE to do it. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s tragic that yet another woman&#8217;s life is lost, but that&#8217;s it. Write an empathetic obit and let that be it. She does not deserve to have her story, her personal life dragged through the media, because we know how many of them will treat her story. And she doesn&#8217;t deserve to become &#8216;an example&#8217; or &#8216;a lesson&#8217; to others. She&#8217;s a person and none of us knew her, we never would have known her except for one thing: A man decided to murder her, because he&#8217;s not right in the head.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t want to read about the victim. Nothing in her story can help me avoid getting killed, nothing in her actions can teach anyone else what not to do. Anything else we might read is what I&#8217;d call &#8216;privacy porn&#8217;. We suddenly want to know as much as possible about a person we&#8217;ve never heard before, whom we&#8217;ll never meet, and who will never have an impact on our lives, but we want all the details of her life anyway, even as she&#8217;s not even alive to deny us that access should she have wished it.</p>
<p>Instead, I want to read about why the killer did what he did, and how our society and we as voters can help make changes for the better. This would, of course, demand that we talk about the real reasons for his crime, namely misogyny and kyriarchy, rather than the prep school bullshit commenters here have pointed out. So I would agree with the media focus in this case: keep it on the murderer &#8211; it is his actions we can learn from.</p>
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		<title>By: susurro</title>
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		<dc:creator>susurro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 03:08:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ann, what I read said that Justin-Jinich and Morgan were interviewed by NYU campus police and then she &quot;refused&quot; to press charges, implying that they were interviewed together. The intimidation factor of having him in the room denying the extent of his behavior and the threat of escalation no doubt helped with the lack of charges as it often does in these cases.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ann, what I read said that Justin-Jinich and Morgan were interviewed by NYU campus police and then she &#8220;refused&#8221; to press charges, implying that they were interviewed together. The intimidation factor of having him in the room denying the extent of his behavior and the threat of escalation no doubt helped with the lack of charges as it often does in these cases.</p>
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		<title>By: Historiann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Historiann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 21:19:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting, Ann--thanks for your comment.  I hope we&#039;ll learn more about this--not so that we can understand Morgan&#039;s journey &quot;from prep school to murder,&quot; but so that we can understand how the law enabled Morgan (and perhaps also disadvantaged Justin-Jinich) at every turn.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting, Ann&#8211;thanks for your comment.  I hope we&#8217;ll learn more about this&#8211;not so that we can understand Morgan&#8217;s journey &#8220;from prep school to murder,&#8221; but so that we can understand how the law enabled Morgan (and perhaps also disadvantaged Justin-Jinich) at every turn.</p>
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		<title>By: Ann Bartow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ann Bartow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 20:59:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t have any independent knowledge about what happened, but I have a hard time believing Johanna Justin-Jinich &quot;refused&quot; to press charges against Morgan when he was harassing her. She was probably cajoled and/or coerced into doing this, told that if she left him alone he would leave her alone, and pressing charges would just make things &quot;worse.&quot; That&#039;s how sexual harassment, especially via the Internet, is handled all too often. Or it could be a flat out lie - she may have demanded to press charges and then been refused. If she didn&#039;t think there was a problem, she wouldn&#039;t have filed the complaint in the first place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t have any independent knowledge about what happened, but I have a hard time believing Johanna Justin-Jinich &#8220;refused&#8221; to press charges against Morgan when he was harassing her. She was probably cajoled and/or coerced into doing this, told that if she left him alone he would leave her alone, and pressing charges would just make things &#8220;worse.&#8221; That&#8217;s how sexual harassment, especially via the Internet, is handled all too often. Or it could be a flat out lie &#8211; she may have demanded to press charges and then been refused. If she didn&#8217;t think there was a problem, she wouldn&#8217;t have filed the complaint in the first place.</p>
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		<title>By: Historiann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Historiann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 20:22:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Grandoc--if only there were more of these inspiring stories, and if only they had more of an effect!  She sounds like an incredibly determined person--you can understand why more people don&#039;t persist when you see all of the roadblocks that were in her way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Grandoc&#8211;if only there were more of these inspiring stories, and if only they had more of an effect!  She sounds like an incredibly determined person&#8211;you can understand why more people don&#8217;t persist when you see all of the roadblocks that were in her way.</p>
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		<title>By: Grandoc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grandoc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 20:02:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was watching a TV show recently where a young woman in San Diego was raped by a serial attacker.She made certain that the ER took DNA evidence and it would be properly stored by police. The detectives hinted that she probably knew the attacker since they could not find evidence of forced entry.The police made little effort to solve the case. Finally the victim took her case to the TV news. Initially they altered her voice, face and identity. She said it made her look like the attacker. The police still dragged their feet. They rejected her petiton for a rape task force because there was no murder. The victim revisited TV- now with full face and identity. Bowing to public outcry, a task force was developed. At length, the rapist struck again but this time used a Lone Ranger mask rather than ski mask. Several citizens remembered a college &quot;streaker&quot; with a similar mask. He was found. DNA matched. 90 year sentence. The victim had vowed to seek 24/7. She won and changed a city&#039;s view of rape.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was watching a TV show recently where a young woman in San Diego was raped by a serial attacker.She made certain that the ER took DNA evidence and it would be properly stored by police. The detectives hinted that she probably knew the attacker since they could not find evidence of forced entry.The police made little effort to solve the case. Finally the victim took her case to the TV news. Initially they altered her voice, face and identity. She said it made her look like the attacker. The police still dragged their feet. They rejected her petiton for a rape task force because there was no murder. The victim revisited TV- now with full face and identity. Bowing to public outcry, a task force was developed. At length, the rapist struck again but this time used a Lone Ranger mask rather than ski mask. Several citizens remembered a college &#8220;streaker&#8221; with a similar mask. He was found. DNA matched. 90 year sentence. The victim had vowed to seek 24/7. She won and changed a city&#8217;s view of rape.</p>
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		<title>By: Historiann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Historiann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 12:23:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nicole--you&#039;re right.  I haven&#039;t been following that case--People put him on the cover??  Disgusting.  

quixote, I read about that case and had the same reaction.  Women&#039;s bodies and lives have no value, now that they&#039;re not claimed by men under coverture.  (At least, that&#039;s the best I can do to put this devaluation of women into a broad historical perspective!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nicole&#8211;you&#8217;re right.  I haven&#8217;t been following that case&#8211;People put him on the cover??  Disgusting.  </p>
<p>quixote, I read about that case and had the same reaction.  Women&#8217;s bodies and lives have no value, now that they&#8217;re not claimed by men under coverture.  (At least, that&#8217;s the best I can do to put this devaluation of women into a broad historical perspective!)</p>
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		<title>By: nicolec</title>
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		<dc:creator>nicolec</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 02:51:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve felt similar frustration with the &quot;Craigslist killer&quot; case.  No one can believe a white med student with a beautiful girlfriend could possibly be a murderer- so the media plays that up (why is he on the cover of People magazine?) but there is little to no mention about the victims except to say that they solicited erotic services on Craigslist.  One story I read didn&#039;t even mention the women&#039;s names, just what they did (masseuse, lap dancer etc).  How obvious is the class/gender bias here?  I know victim&#039;s names are sometimes withheld, but this is dehumanizing- surely they were daughters, friends, sisters, mothers....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve felt similar frustration with the &#8220;Craigslist killer&#8221; case.  No one can believe a white med student with a beautiful girlfriend could possibly be a murderer- so the media plays that up (why is he on the cover of People magazine?) but there is little to no mention about the victims except to say that they solicited erotic services on Craigslist.  One story I read didn&#8217;t even mention the women&#8217;s names, just what they did (masseuse, lap dancer etc).  How obvious is the class/gender bias here?  I know victim&#8217;s names are sometimes withheld, but this is dehumanizing- surely they were daughters, friends, sisters, mothers&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: quixote</title>
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		<dc:creator>quixote</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 18:11:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is related, although not the same.  There was &lt;a href=&quot;http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/05/for-a-good-time-call-is-yahoo-liable-for-sex-graffiti.ars&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;a case against Yahoo&lt;/a&gt; recently brought by a woman whose ex-boyfriend had, for revenge, posted fake profiles written as if by her.  They had her personal data (phone numbers, email, etc.) and solicited sex.

It&#039;s discussed as if this was some sort of free speech case.  There&#039;s no mention, hell, there doesn&#039;t even seem to be any concept!, of the harassment involved, of the huge sudden threat to the woman&#039;s physical safety, of the expense, time, and emotional toll of having to find a new place to live, changing all her phone numbers and email addresses, informing all her friends and co-workers and business contacts, endlessly discussing the situation with her boss and on the job (who are going to be at least curious about the flood of messages), and on, and on, and on, and on.  All that isn&#039;t even on the map.

I wonder if Yahoo would have been as slow about removing fake profiles if they&#039;d been about something serious?  Posting pictures of antiques and the address where they could be found, for instance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is related, although not the same.  There was <a href="http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/05/for-a-good-time-call-is-yahoo-liable-for-sex-graffiti.ars" rel="nofollow">a case against Yahoo</a> recently brought by a woman whose ex-boyfriend had, for revenge, posted fake profiles written as if by her.  They had her personal data (phone numbers, email, etc.) and solicited sex.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s discussed as if this was some sort of free speech case.  There&#8217;s no mention, hell, there doesn&#8217;t even seem to be any concept!, of the harassment involved, of the huge sudden threat to the woman&#8217;s physical safety, of the expense, time, and emotional toll of having to find a new place to live, changing all her phone numbers and email addresses, informing all her friends and co-workers and business contacts, endlessly discussing the situation with her boss and on the job (who are going to be at least curious about the flood of messages), and on, and on, and on, and on.  All that isn&#8217;t even on the map.</p>
<p>I wonder if Yahoo would have been as slow about removing fake profiles if they&#8217;d been about something serious?  Posting pictures of antiques and the address where they could be found, for instance.</p>
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