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	<title>Comments on: Feminism, Catholicism, and American Catholic women&#8217;s history</title>
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		<title>By: a native daughter</title>
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		<dc:creator>a native daughter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 19:47:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find it interesting that you used Frances Slocum&#039;s photo with your article. I am actually a directly descended grandaughter of Maconaquah as she is known in my family. I am also a Catholic, although not from my native side. As a feminist her story goes much deeper than that she was both a Miami and a Catholic. She was actually born a Quaker, but was stolen from her family at age 5 by Delaware Indians. She was then raised in the traditional Miami tribal beliefs which she followed until her death. However, due to strong French Canadian influence she and her family did eventually blend Catholic beliefs with their Native ones. Incidently, the fundamentals of each are very similar at their cores.

She is largely credited with finding a way to outsmart the US government which at the time which outlawed the purchase of land by any native. Instead she came out of hiding and bought the land, as a white woman, and allowed her tribe to live on it in order to escape a forced removal to western lands. She is still honored today by the Maimi Indians of the State of Indiana as a primary reason our tribe still lives on our ancestral lands rather than a western reservation.

She is not only an example of a American Indian Catholic, but also one of the first true feminists of this county.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it interesting that you used Frances Slocum&#8217;s photo with your article. I am actually a directly descended grandaughter of Maconaquah as she is known in my family. I am also a Catholic, although not from my native side. As a feminist her story goes much deeper than that she was both a Miami and a Catholic. She was actually born a Quaker, but was stolen from her family at age 5 by Delaware Indians. She was then raised in the traditional Miami tribal beliefs which she followed until her death. However, due to strong French Canadian influence she and her family did eventually blend Catholic beliefs with their Native ones. Incidently, the fundamentals of each are very similar at their cores.</p>
<p>She is largely credited with finding a way to outsmart the US government which at the time which outlawed the purchase of land by any native. Instead she came out of hiding and bought the land, as a white woman, and allowed her tribe to live on it in order to escape a forced removal to western lands. She is still honored today by the Maimi Indians of the State of Indiana as a primary reason our tribe still lives on our ancestral lands rather than a western reservation.</p>
<p>She is not only an example of a American Indian Catholic, but also one of the first true feminists of this county.</p>
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		<title>By: Historiann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Historiann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 14:28:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Flavia--it&#039;s good to hear that you don&#039;t think you&#039;ve been subjected to anti-Cath olic bias in academia, but I agree with you that the equation that some may make that protestantism = religious fanaticism is troubling.  

Presumably, they wouldn&#039;t say that about practicing Episcopalians or Methodists (at least, sufficiently High Church Methodists) or Congregationalists, which suggests to me that the anti-evangelical bias may be about no small amount of class prejudice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Flavia&#8211;it&#8217;s good to hear that you don&#8217;t think you&#8217;ve been subjected to anti-Cath olic bias in academia, but I agree with you that the equation that some may make that protestantism = religious fanaticism is troubling.  </p>
<p>Presumably, they wouldn&#8217;t say that about practicing Episcopalians or Methodists (at least, sufficiently High Church Methodists) or Congregationalists, which suggests to me that the anti-evangelical bias may be about no small amount of class prejudice.</p>
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		<title>By: Flavia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Flavia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 04:26:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m coming to this very late, but it&#039;s a great discussion and one I&#039;m interested in for several reasons. I agree with Susan that there&#039;s an anti-religious tendency in the academy, sometimes especially among scholars who work on religious subjects--I think there&#039;s a real desire on the part of some of those whose work deals with religious topics (I study English Renaissance literature, where there&#039;s now a ton of work on devotional &amp; theological overtones, influences, etc.) to assert that THEY aren&#039;t motivated by confessional special pleading! Even if SOME scholars ARE (and that&#039;s another problem: scholars who think that their confessional background gives them priviledged access to the subject).

But in my experience, the same ethnic/cultural &quot;pass&quot; that many practicing Jews get from secular academics is often extended to Catholics. I&#039;ve often been reassured that my being Catholic--even a practicing Catholic--isn&#039;t the same as being religious in, you know, the &lt;i&gt;bad&lt;/i&gt; way. Lots of secular academics (at least in literary studies) also seem to groove on the aesthetics, ritual, and historical/intellectual tradition that they associate with both Judaism and Catholicism--but that they don&#039;t always permit to Protestantism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m coming to this very late, but it&#8217;s a great discussion and one I&#8217;m interested in for several reasons. I agree with Susan that there&#8217;s an anti-religious tendency in the academy, sometimes especially among scholars who work on religious subjects&#8211;I think there&#8217;s a real desire on the part of some of those whose work deals with religious topics (I study English Renaissance literature, where there&#8217;s now a ton of work on devotional &amp; theological overtones, influences, etc.) to assert that THEY aren&#8217;t motivated by confessional special pleading! Even if SOME scholars ARE (and that&#8217;s another problem: scholars who think that their confessional background gives them priviledged access to the subject).</p>
<p>But in my experience, the same ethnic/cultural &#8220;pass&#8221; that many practicing Jews get from secular academics is often extended to Catholics. I&#8217;ve often been reassured that my being Catholic&#8211;even a practicing Catholic&#8211;isn&#8217;t the same as being religious in, you know, the <i>bad</i> way. Lots of secular academics (at least in literary studies) also seem to groove on the aesthetics, ritual, and historical/intellectual tradition that they associate with both Judaism and Catholicism&#8211;but that they don&#8217;t always permit to Protestantism.</p>
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		<title>By: Historiann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Historiann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 14:08:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A-ha!  A seasonal item for Lent/St. Patrick&#039;s Day/Easter.  That makes sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A-ha!  A seasonal item for Lent/St. Patrick&#8217;s Day/Easter.  That makes sense.</p>
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		<title>By: Clio Bluestocking</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clio Bluestocking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 14:02:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It might have something to do with being in a city with that Irish and Portuguese heritage. Also, it was among Easter items and the other color was a bilious Kelly green, so that may have had something to do with their availability.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It might have something to do with being in a city with that Irish and Portuguese heritage. Also, it was among Easter items and the other color was a bilious Kelly green, so that may have had something to do with their availability.</p>
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		<title>By: Historiann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Historiann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 22:38:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On a related note:  &lt;a href=&quot;http://cliobluestockingtales.blogspot.com/2009/04/tackiest-think-i-saw-last-week-easter.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Amtrak sells rosaries in their train station gift shops&lt;/a&gt;.  Is this national policy, or a regional thing I wonder?  (I never saw this in 10+ years of Amtrak travel along the Eastern Corridor, but then again, I&#039;m not sure that I was looking all that hard for a rosary.)

Rosaries are an appealingly low-tech way to keep oneself occupied on a train.  Is this what we did before mobile phones and BlackBerries?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On a related note:  <a href="http://cliobluestockingtales.blogspot.com/2009/04/tackiest-think-i-saw-last-week-easter.html" rel="nofollow">Amtrak sells rosaries in their train station gift shops</a>.  Is this national policy, or a regional thing I wonder?  (I never saw this in 10+ years of Amtrak travel along the Eastern Corridor, but then again, I&#8217;m not sure that I was looking all that hard for a rosary.)</p>
<p>Rosaries are an appealingly low-tech way to keep oneself occupied on a train.  Is this what we did before mobile phones and BlackBerries?</p>
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		<title>By: Post Easter discussion on American Women&#8217;s Catholic History &#171; Knitting Clio</title>
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		<dc:creator>Post Easter discussion on American Women&#8217;s Catholic History &#171; Knitting Clio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 22:09:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a blog post of my own right now, I&#8217;ll refer KC readers to a fascinating discussion over at Historiann.   I commented on the issue of anti-Catholicism in the academy.  Having spent most of my life in [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] a blog post of my own right now, I&#8217;ll refer KC readers to a fascinating discussion over at Historiann.   I commented on the issue of anti-Catholicism in the academy.  Having spent most of my life in [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Susan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Susan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 17:35:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Historiann, when I spoke of anti-religious attitudes, it&#039;s more of the &quot;no one intelligent believes in any of that Christian stuff&quot; than any thing more direct and hostile.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Historiann, when I spoke of anti-religious attitudes, it&#8217;s more of the &#8220;no one intelligent believes in any of that Christian stuff&#8221; than any thing more direct and hostile.</p>
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		<title>By: Owen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Owen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 15:17:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a little late here, but I can&#039;t resist responding to this very interesting discussion. I&#039;m a faculty member at one Catholic institution, about to decamp to another, and I also study anti-Catholicism in American history. So quite naturally, I welcome and applaud all of the new work (and there is a lot of it) illuminating both the central role of Protestantism in American culture and the corresponding history of Catholics and Catholicism. 

At the same time, I am leery of the talk of anti-Catholicism as &quot;the last acceptable prejudice,&quot; for two reasons. First off, as others have noted, the playing field has changed over the past few decades. JFK almost couldn&#039;t be elected because he was too Catholic; John Kerry arguably lost because he wasn&#039;t Catholic enough. There are plenty of religious rifts in the modern US: between evangelicals and non-evangelicals; Christians and non-Christians; church-goers and those who are not observant. But the older Catholic-Protestant divisions are, if not completely gone, less meaningful than before, with the alliance of evangelicals and Catholics against abortion the most telling example. More importantly, I&#039;m bothered that the Church, and those who champion its current positions, use charges of &quot;anti-Catholicism&quot; to silence debate. In short, they claim that anyone who questions church teachings does so not because they disagree with them, but because they are prejudiced against Catholics. This seems to me to be a distortion of history; an attempt to use improper historical analogies to tar modern critics of the church as old-school nativist bigots.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a little late here, but I can&#8217;t resist responding to this very interesting discussion. I&#8217;m a faculty member at one Catholic institution, about to decamp to another, and I also study anti-Catholicism in American history. So quite naturally, I welcome and applaud all of the new work (and there is a lot of it) illuminating both the central role of Protestantism in American culture and the corresponding history of Catholics and Catholicism. </p>
<p>At the same time, I am leery of the talk of anti-Catholicism as &#8220;the last acceptable prejudice,&#8221; for two reasons. First off, as others have noted, the playing field has changed over the past few decades. JFK almost couldn&#8217;t be elected because he was too Catholic; John Kerry arguably lost because he wasn&#8217;t Catholic enough. There are plenty of religious rifts in the modern US: between evangelicals and non-evangelicals; Christians and non-Christians; church-goers and those who are not observant. But the older Catholic-Protestant divisions are, if not completely gone, less meaningful than before, with the alliance of evangelicals and Catholics against abortion the most telling example. More importantly, I&#8217;m bothered that the Church, and those who champion its current positions, use charges of &#8220;anti-Catholicism&#8221; to silence debate. In short, they claim that anyone who questions church teachings does so not because they disagree with them, but because they are prejudiced against Catholics. This seems to me to be a distortion of history; an attempt to use improper historical analogies to tar modern critics of the church as old-school nativist bigots.</p>
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		<title>By: susurro</title>
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		<dc:creator>susurro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 14:52:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t do Catholic History, but as a Catholic I would say my team in New England was profoundly anti-Catholic including a student group event as an undergrad where the &quot;Christian Youth Group&quot; trotted out a video called &quot;Catholics and Satan.&quot; I have experienced no similar level of disdain on the West Coast (which tends to just be anti-christian in general - just left a diversity training 2 weeks ago where the speech about respecting everyone and organizing in a way that asks &quot;who is left out&quot; &quot;who have I forgotten&quot; was followed by a joke about Jesus that turned into a full on bash fest) or the Southwest which tends to be Catholic majority. The Southeast just assumes you are Protestant, especially if you are poc.

My experience however is solely mine and I worry about generating outward about how &quot;Catholic women&quot; feel or identify. There are Vatican I Catholics and Vatican IIs. There are radical Catholics and mujeristas and liberation theologists. Most of my Catholic friends are feminists and many of them teach WS or ES but they don&#039;t identify their faith in mixed settings. Feminism can feel unsafe, and therefore unrelated, to women who cannot separate the misguided mocking of an entire faith community from the legitimate critique of patriarchal power in church doctrine or the exercise of discrimination through the guise of the church.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t do Catholic History, but as a Catholic I would say my team in New England was profoundly anti-Catholic including a student group event as an undergrad where the &#8220;Christian Youth Group&#8221; trotted out a video called &#8220;Catholics and Satan.&#8221; I have experienced no similar level of disdain on the West Coast (which tends to just be anti-christian in general &#8211; just left a diversity training 2 weeks ago where the speech about respecting everyone and organizing in a way that asks &#8220;who is left out&#8221; &#8220;who have I forgotten&#8221; was followed by a joke about Jesus that turned into a full on bash fest) or the Southwest which tends to be Catholic majority. The Southeast just assumes you are Protestant, especially if you are poc.</p>
<p>My experience however is solely mine and I worry about generating outward about how &#8220;Catholic women&#8221; feel or identify. There are Vatican I Catholics and Vatican IIs. There are radical Catholics and mujeristas and liberation theologists. Most of my Catholic friends are feminists and many of them teach WS or ES but they don&#8217;t identify their faith in mixed settings. Feminism can feel unsafe, and therefore unrelated, to women who cannot separate the misguided mocking of an entire faith community from the legitimate critique of patriarchal power in church doctrine or the exercise of discrimination through the guise of the church.</p>
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