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	<title>Comments on: OAH wrap-up, Part II:  Gender and Sexuality in Early American History</title>
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		<title>By: &#8220;What about Women in Early American History?&#8221; In which Historiann and friends get up on their high horses and rope &#8216;em up good : Historiann : History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#8220;What about Women in Early American History?&#8221; In which Historiann and friends get up on their high horses and rope &#8216;em up good : Historiann : History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 14:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] and reminded us of previous conversations at the 2002 and 2008 Berkshire Conferences and at the Organization of American Historians&#8217; annual conference in 2009.  (Regular readers here will remember too our discussions of Judith Bennett&#8217;s History [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] and reminded us of previous conversations at the 2002 and 2008 Berkshire Conferences and at the Organization of American Historians&#8217; annual conference in 2009.  (Regular readers here will remember too our discussions of Judith Bennett&#8217;s History [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Art, history, colonialism, and violence: my weekend in the O.C. : Historiann : History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present</title>
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		<dc:creator>Art, history, colonialism, and violence: my weekend in the O.C. : Historiann : History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 15:33:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] been very much based on analyses of language (in archival as well as published sources), I have sounded the alarm on the rush of historians who appear to be abandoning the archives to focus on &#8220;print [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] been very much based on analyses of language (in archival as well as published sources), I have sounded the alarm on the rush of historians who appear to be abandoning the archives to focus on &#8220;print [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Historiann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Historiann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 20:53:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JJO--good luck with your grad class--it sounds great.  I think it&#039;s really hard to find anything published since the early 90s that&#039;s &quot;just&quot; women&#039;s history--most of it is about gender as well as women qua women, and in the past 15 years now there&#039;s a lot of the history of sexuality all over the place.  I&#039;d strongly recommend teaching Sharond Block&#039;s and Clare Lyons&#039;s books consecutively, because they&#039;re both such radically different articulations of the history of sexuality, as well as such dramatically different stories about essentially the same period.

Credit where credit is due:  Jennifer Spear said this on Saturday morning, and I heartily concur.  I&#039;ve done this in two u/g classes in the past few years, and it&#039;s fascinating to see how the class breaks down as to which author they find more persuasive.  So far in my classes Block has emerged as the author the students think is more correct (albeit they are depressed to admit it because of her focus on sex as power.)  I will be interested to hear what your students decide, since I think I may have an (unwitting) thumb on the scale because I find Block&#039;s version of events more convincing than Lyons&#039;s.  That said, I really like and admire Lyons&#039;s book--I just don&#039;t think there was a sexual revolution for women in the late 18th C.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JJO&#8211;good luck with your grad class&#8211;it sounds great.  I think it&#8217;s really hard to find anything published since the early 90s that&#8217;s &#8220;just&#8221; women&#8217;s history&#8211;most of it is about gender as well as women qua women, and in the past 15 years now there&#8217;s a lot of the history of sexuality all over the place.  I&#8217;d strongly recommend teaching Sharond Block&#8217;s and Clare Lyons&#8217;s books consecutively, because they&#8217;re both such radically different articulations of the history of sexuality, as well as such dramatically different stories about essentially the same period.</p>
<p>Credit where credit is due:  Jennifer Spear said this on Saturday morning, and I heartily concur.  I&#8217;ve done this in two u/g classes in the past few years, and it&#8217;s fascinating to see how the class breaks down as to which author they find more persuasive.  So far in my classes Block has emerged as the author the students think is more correct (albeit they are depressed to admit it because of her focus on sex as power.)  I will be interested to hear what your students decide, since I think I may have an (unwitting) thumb on the scale because I find Block&#8217;s version of events more convincing than Lyons&#8217;s.  That said, I really like and admire Lyons&#8217;s book&#8211;I just don&#8217;t think there was a sexual revolution for women in the late 18th C.</p>
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		<title>By: JJO</title>
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		<dc:creator>JJO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 14:22:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for this summary, Historiann, and H.A. thanks for the heads up on the article -- I spoke with Manion a bit after the SHEAR panel on same-sex history last summer and she seemed frustrated by the limitations of the discussion there, so I bet she&#039;ll have really interesting things to say. 

I&#039;m going to be working up a second, revised version of a grad seminar on Gender and Sexuality in Early America for next spring, but I&#039;m finding it more and more difficult to frame the class -- trying to do a little bit each of women&#039;s history, gender history, and the history of sexuality means that I don&#039;t really get to do any one of those in the depth I&#039;d like, and the students, who are mostly novices wrt. these issues and who are much more comfortable with social than cultural history (at least in its more theoretical incarnations), get very confused. That said, I&#039;m excited because so much new has appeared that was at best only available in article form the last time I taught the class (including &lt;i&gt;Abraham in Arms,&lt;/i&gt; and the book versions of Bloch, Lyons, and Foster). I&#039;d welcome advice &amp; discussion from folks who have taught a similar course.

Finally, one of Kunzel&#039;s points seems particularly interesting to me, and this may be why I find that the history of sexuality sits uneasily in the course I&#039;m trying to frame -- from the summary here I kind of take her to be making a Foucauldian point like the one Bruce Burgett makes in his somewhat critical review of Godbeer, that sexuality is a category that gets invented and reshaped over time as a way of organizing and controlling behaviors and bodies by grouping them together and giving them a name/category through which power (via a whole variety of discourses) can operate. In the history of gender, it&#039;s masculinity and femininity or manhood and womanhood that undergo this process, not so much the very notion of gender itself. It seems like even though they&#039;re clearly related in very important ways, the categories don&#039;t exactly match up -- they&#039;re of different orders, and demand different theoretical and methodological approaches.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this summary, Historiann, and H.A. thanks for the heads up on the article &#8212; I spoke with Manion a bit after the SHEAR panel on same-sex history last summer and she seemed frustrated by the limitations of the discussion there, so I bet she&#8217;ll have really interesting things to say. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m going to be working up a second, revised version of a grad seminar on Gender and Sexuality in Early America for next spring, but I&#8217;m finding it more and more difficult to frame the class &#8212; trying to do a little bit each of women&#8217;s history, gender history, and the history of sexuality means that I don&#8217;t really get to do any one of those in the depth I&#8217;d like, and the students, who are mostly novices wrt. these issues and who are much more comfortable with social than cultural history (at least in its more theoretical incarnations), get very confused. That said, I&#8217;m excited because so much new has appeared that was at best only available in article form the last time I taught the class (including <i>Abraham in Arms,</i> and the book versions of Bloch, Lyons, and Foster). I&#8217;d welcome advice &amp; discussion from folks who have taught a similar course.</p>
<p>Finally, one of Kunzel&#8217;s points seems particularly interesting to me, and this may be why I find that the history of sexuality sits uneasily in the course I&#8217;m trying to frame &#8212; from the summary here I kind of take her to be making a Foucauldian point like the one Bruce Burgett makes in his somewhat critical review of Godbeer, that sexuality is a category that gets invented and reshaped over time as a way of organizing and controlling behaviors and bodies by grouping them together and giving them a name/category through which power (via a whole variety of discourses) can operate. In the history of gender, it&#8217;s masculinity and femininity or manhood and womanhood that undergo this process, not so much the very notion of gender itself. It seems like even though they&#8217;re clearly related in very important ways, the categories don&#8217;t exactly match up &#8212; they&#8217;re of different orders, and demand different theoretical and methodological approaches.</p>
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		<title>By: Historiann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Historiann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 00:45:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, H.A.--good to know.  We&#039;ll eagerly await the article&#039;s appearance!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, H.A.&#8211;good to know.  We&#8217;ll eagerly await the article&#8217;s appearance!</p>
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		<title>By: Homostorian Americanist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Homostorian Americanist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 00:11:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In regards to the question of (homo)sexuality in Early America, while there has clearly been some work done that most readers of this blog will know already (Godbeer, Lyons, Foster, and Foster&#039;s anthology, Long Before Stonewall [NYU Press] that contains all those essays and others) I also wanted to alert Historiann Fans to a forthcoming essay by Jennifer Manion of Connecticut College that will appear in one of the next few volumes of SIGNS: &quot;Historic Heteroessentialism and Other Orderings in Early America,&quot; a state of the field consideration of sexuality in Early America.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In regards to the question of (homo)sexuality in Early America, while there has clearly been some work done that most readers of this blog will know already (Godbeer, Lyons, Foster, and Foster&#8217;s anthology, Long Before Stonewall [NYU Press] that contains all those essays and others) I also wanted to alert Historiann Fans to a forthcoming essay by Jennifer Manion of Connecticut College that will appear in one of the next few volumes of SIGNS: &#8220;Historic Heteroessentialism and Other Orderings in Early America,&#8221; a state of the field consideration of sexuality in Early America.</p>
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		<title>By: OAH wrap-up, part I: Borderlands, Oysters, Strangers, and&#8211;who invited Norovirus? : Historiann : History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present</title>
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		<dc:creator>OAH wrap-up, part I: Borderlands, Oysters, Strangers, and&#8211;who invited Norovirus? : Historiann : History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 15:48:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] (See Part II of the wrap-up here.) [...]</description>
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