Comments on: Lawrence Stone: classy, classy guy! http://www.historiann.com/2009/03/10/lawrence-stone-classy-classy-guy/ History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present Sat, 20 Sep 2014 19:32:02 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.9.2 By: Cheap Oakley Oil Rig Sunglasses Clearance Outlet http://www.historiann.com/2009/03/10/lawrence-stone-classy-classy-guy/comment-page-2/#comment-1470795 Fri, 24 May 2013 07:04:53 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=3885#comment-1470795 thats actually a good idea for guessing what your presents are-DOING THAT NEXT YEAR

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By: Tenured Radical - The Chronicle of Higher Education http://www.historiann.com/2009/03/10/lawrence-stone-classy-classy-guy/comment-page-2/#comment-881393 Sun, 02 Oct 2011 23:36:17 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=3885#comment-881393 [...] And yet there are so many of you that I miss hearing from. “Come back to Free Blogistan!” Notorious Ph.D. (who is currently running a cool online writing group) implored in a comment on your post.  Well, I can’t — not now.  I’ve committed too much to this gambit as an intellectual and a writer, and anyway my project is to retain my old Treehouse crowd and also woo some Suits.  That could be interesting, dontcha think?  My dream, Historiann, is that you and I develop an annual award called the Toolies, given for the post or series of posts that is a) outrageous and b) draws the most censorious comments; and c) best exhibits the spirit shown at Historiann. [...]

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By: Department of Snark: Or; Who Put A Tack On Gordon Wood's Chair? - Tenured Radical - The Chronicle of Higher Education http://www.historiann.com/2009/03/10/lawrence-stone-classy-classy-guy/comment-page-2/#comment-842482 Sat, 25 Jun 2011 16:43:32 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=3885#comment-842482 [...] famously stepped in all kind of horse pucky by calling out one very dead white man as a tool.  She comments on this episode in our fabulous Journal of Women’s History roundtable (winter [...]

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By: Uncivil Liberties: Teaching Evaluations and A Clarification - Tenured Radical - The Chronicle of Higher Education http://www.historiann.com/2009/03/10/lawrence-stone-classy-classy-guy/comment-page-2/#comment-840707 Tue, 21 Jun 2011 21:33:23 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=3885#comment-840707 [...] academic celebrity drew some cheers; one caution (my beloved Western Colleague, she of the famous Tool Post, wisely suggested that I refrain from pissing in the wind); and one personally nasty signed comment [...]

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By: » Carnivalesque 48 Sarah Werner http://www.historiann.com/2009/03/10/lawrence-stone-classy-classy-guy/comment-page-2/#comment-826262 Tue, 17 May 2011 20:39:26 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=3885#comment-826262 [...] PhD; the second by Historiann (don’t miss her follow-up in which she expounds on why “Lawrence Stone is a tool”); and the third discussion is hosted by Tenured Radical. Part 4 will appear at Another Damned [...]

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By: Cowgirl Up: my talk at the University of Texas : Historiann : History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present http://www.historiann.com/2009/03/10/lawrence-stone-classy-classy-guy/comment-page-2/#comment-796995 Fri, 04 Mar 2011 14:46:16 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=3885#comment-796995 [...] did I call Lawrence Stone a “complete tool?”  You can review the controversy here and here.  I was calling him out on an obnoxious review in the New York Review of Booksin which he [...]

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By: just saying this http://www.historiann.com/2009/03/10/lawrence-stone-classy-classy-guy/comment-page-2/#comment-790879 Sat, 19 Feb 2011 22:39:49 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=3885#comment-790879 Graham Cumberland on 11 Mar 2009 at 12:53 pm #
If Stone was still alive and well enough to defend himself, such criticism might be acceptable in the rough and tumble of open debate. However objectionable you feel his views to have been, this discussion has gone too far.

Snort. At first I thought it was satire of ridiculous old white guy who cannot believe A Woman Is Speaking On the Internet but it is in fact an actual ridiculous white dude. As a sexist tool he is so offended at criticism for another for being a tool we must STFU. I love the Internet. I love that these asinine use of privilege just do not work here.

Graham brought his penis out to tell use not to call the other penis a tool. And you did not STFU. How dare you! Do you not know that Graham is the Most Feminist Dude He Knows. And that when he lectures (his untenured or student) female colleagues about being a lady they all just *adore* him. No one dares calls him a tool. Bad Ladies.

Snort snort snort.

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By: Historiann tells all! (And too much is sometimes plenty.) : Historiann : History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present http://www.historiann.com/2009/03/10/lawrence-stone-classy-classy-guy/comment-page-2/#comment-777052 Wed, 19 Jan 2011 19:52:45 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=3885#comment-777052 [...] I offer some reflections on my first few years of blogging, including the world-famous tool  controversy and the breastfeeding and “breeder“ food-fights of 2009.  Ah, memories!  (To read [...]

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By: The Man Who Fell to Earth: Hugh Trevor-Roper (1914-2003) | At This Point http://www.historiann.com/2009/03/10/lawrence-stone-classy-classy-guy/comment-page-2/#comment-760240 Sun, 26 Dec 2010 04:19:07 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=3885#comment-760240 [...] to feud!  A master of the deadly invective, Trevor-Roper loved academic brawls.  He sparred with Lawrence Stone and R.H. Tawney over the rise of the gentry and the origins of the English Civil War, with A.J.P. [...]

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By: Angel http://www.historiann.com/2009/03/10/lawrence-stone-classy-classy-guy/comment-page-2/#comment-263014 Wed, 18 Mar 2009 00:57:32 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=3885#comment-263014 To be fair, not everyone here complaining was a man–there was a woman in the previous thread, and I’ve seen other complaints from women, too.

Oh! I see. My bad.

But, yes: for some reason, it’s very important to discipline my speech and writing!

Well, the “tone” argument is a classic in feminist and anti-racist derailing, from what I’ve seen. The best theory I’ve seen is that people with privilege (whites, men, etc.) have the tools (no pun intended?) to do verbal violence without seeming to lift a finger in anger, so that a woman/person of color who calls out “that hurt, you jerk!” ends up seeming like the attacking party, the angry one. We’re acculturated to notice and be offended by minutia, while privileged people can say things that create an oppressive atmosphere, that work toward silencing without seeming angry to others or experiencing much (any?) emotional turmoil themselves.

Getting back on topic. Whether or not Stone intended to contribute to diminishing women’s contributions to history or not, I can’t say. But I believe it’s the responsibility of people with social capital to first, recognize the power they have, and second make sure they’re not abusing it. The fact that it probably didn’t occur to him to do either of those things–and that he was cocooned in a publishing industry that didn’t call him on what he said–does make it pretty obvious how widespread the misogyny was, that someone could be participating in it without perhaps even meaning to.

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