Comments on: Vaycay roundup: fun in the sun, yee-haw! edition http://www.historiann.com/2009/02/16/vaycay-roundup-fun-in-the-sun-yee-haw-edition/ History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present Fri, 26 Sep 2014 03:40:45 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.9.2 By: Sunday Reads: Tyrants and Tsunamis « Sky Dancing http://www.historiann.com/2009/02/16/vaycay-roundup-fun-in-the-sun-yee-haw-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-804223 Sun, 20 Mar 2011 14:21:42 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=3526#comment-804223 [...] forced to fight to make and preserve spaces for themselves within the historical profession.  I blogged about this book briefly two years ago, but just this week finally sat down to read it.  (Consider this my slight [...]

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By: Telling Histories: Black Women Historians in the Ivory Tower : Historiann : History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present http://www.historiann.com/2009/02/16/vaycay-roundup-fun-in-the-sun-yee-haw-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-803346 Fri, 18 Mar 2011 17:24:06 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=3526#comment-803346 [...] forced to fight to make and preserve spaces for themselves within the historical profession.  I blogged about this book briefly two years ago, but just this week finally sat down to read it.  (Consider this my slight [...]

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By: Why has The One fallen short? : Historiann : History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present http://www.historiann.com/2009/02/16/vaycay-roundup-fun-in-the-sun-yee-haw-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-675025 Tue, 27 Jul 2010 15:21:51 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=3526#comment-675025 [...] pointed to executive experience as crucial to the success of modern presidencies.  You all know what I think most of those rankings of the presidents are worth–but there appears to be little doubt that having served as a Governor (or in another powerful [...]

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By: President’s Day Party and Drink Specials! : Historiann : History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present http://www.historiann.com/2009/02/16/vaycay-roundup-fun-in-the-sun-yee-haw-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-556682 Mon, 15 Feb 2010 17:13:31 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=3526#comment-556682 [...] K. Polk–who was undoubtedly effective, but in my opinion, dangerously effective.  (Well, we all know how much those annual surveys of “historians” are worth, don’t [...]

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By: Satsuma http://www.historiann.com/2009/02/16/vaycay-roundup-fun-in-the-sun-yee-haw-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-230774 Wed, 18 Feb 2009 06:37:22 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=3526#comment-230774 P.S. But hey, sometimes it is fun to let historians have a bit of parlour game entertainment.

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By: Satsuma http://www.historiann.com/2009/02/16/vaycay-roundup-fun-in-the-sun-yee-haw-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-230773 Wed, 18 Feb 2009 06:36:47 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=3526#comment-230773 Assassination always creates the secular saints! Just think, had MLK lived to a ripe old age, he’d be up there with Jesse Jackson and a paternity suit and a sordid sex scandal or two.

Anyway, the 20th century presidents have the edge because many of the historians who actually knew them personally are still alive. I’m thinking Slessinger (can’t spell his name now:-( Or even the adoring journalsist who knew Kennedy.– There are too many to list here!

Heck, we had more worshipful obits on TV about the Auzzie crocodile hunter’s death, than reports and documentaries about Betty Friedan… but hey crocodile hunter was a white man and he spoke English, and Friedan… helped launch a movement of half the U.S. population. Can’t have too many documentaries about feminism and feminists on malestream TV..still too dangerous a subject.

History is still about playing favorites and who wants to protect their place in the sun as a “Lincoln” or “Reagan” expert.

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By: Historiann http://www.historiann.com/2009/02/16/vaycay-roundup-fun-in-the-sun-yee-haw-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-229881 Tue, 17 Feb 2009 13:35:30 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=3526#comment-229881 I’m with you, Clio–these rankings are silly party games. Eduardo pointed out some of the impossibilities of comparing the challenges that faced James Madison, Grover Cleveland, and Barack Obama. Roo, I was going to comment on Reagan at #10, but that seemed to me too much like shooting fish in a barrel. (The James K. Polk #12 ranking actually surprised me more!)

Industry Boy–I appreciate your defense of Washington, but your justification for his high rank sets the bar rather low. He only had to do better than avoid becoming King? Really? Well–the Whiskey Rebels and anyone else who was screwed by Hamilton’s schemes would argue that he failed even at that simple task.

Lincoln is the closest thing that we have to a national secular saint, if we leave out white Southerners. (Many of them probably have signed on for this rating too by now, but many haven’t.) But I think that has more to do with his assassination than with his leadership, formidable though that was. My guess is that if he had lived to serve two full terms and preside over the beginnings of Reconstruction, he’d rank much more closely to Grant than #1.

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By: Clio Bluestocking http://www.historiann.com/2009/02/16/vaycay-roundup-fun-in-the-sun-yee-haw-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-229831 Tue, 17 Feb 2009 12:28:40 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=3526#comment-229831 Out of curiosity — and Lincoln fatigue (I swear that I will shriek if I hear another debate about whether Lincoln was “great and genius” or “genius and great”) — what function do these rankings serve other than to reveal the biases of the rankers? Such lists remind me of the scene in the movie “Stand By Me” in which the kids debate the winner in a stand-off between Mighty Mouse and Superman.

Of course, now that I’ve brought up Lincoln, I notice that the bottom two presidents came before and after him, respectively.

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By: Industry Boy http://www.historiann.com/2009/02/16/vaycay-roundup-fun-in-the-sun-yee-haw-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-229514 Tue, 17 Feb 2009 06:17:31 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=3526#comment-229514 I would completely agree with Washington at number two. When your the first president, everything you do is a precedent. How many people could have set a better number of precedences than Washington? He could have easily been George the IV.

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By: Roo http://www.historiann.com/2009/02/16/vaycay-roundup-fun-in-the-sun-yee-haw-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-229320 Tue, 17 Feb 2009 02:49:52 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=3526#comment-229320 Why hasn’t anyone brought up the fact that Ronald Reagan was placed at number ten?… Number ten!If one of the categories for grading is really “economic management,” then there is no way he should be so high. (not to mention “pursued equal justice for all”) They left out “…all white, rich men.” I can’t speak to his “moral authority,” although I have a pretty good idea of what it was- or wasn’t.

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