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	<title>Comments on: Democratic Dumba$$es:  cheap, stupid, or both?</title>
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		<title>By: Historiann</title>
		<link>http://www.historiann.com/2009/02/03/democratic-dumbaes-cheap-stupid-or-both/comment-page-1/#comment-211283</link>
		<dc:creator>Historiann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 16:17:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Susurro, &lt;a href=&quot;http://politics.theatlantic.com/2009/02/solis_lingers_acting_secretary_appointed.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&#039;s a link&lt;/a&gt;.  Sorry I didn&#039;t post this earlier!

Via &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.correntewire.com/hilda_solis_still_twisting_slowly_slowly_wind&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Corrente&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Susurro, <a href="http://politics.theatlantic.com/2009/02/solis_lingers_acting_secretary_appointed.php" rel="nofollow">here&#8217;s a link</a>.  Sorry I didn&#8217;t post this earlier!</p>
<p>Via <a href="http://www.correntewire.com/hilda_solis_still_twisting_slowly_slowly_wind" rel="nofollow">Corrente</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: susurro</title>
		<link>http://www.historiann.com/2009/02/03/democratic-dumbaes-cheap-stupid-or-both/comment-page-1/#comment-211276</link>
		<dc:creator>susurro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 16:13:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Solis is held up?!  I&#039;m off to check this out.

(I do know Richardson used NM taxpayer money to buy a Governor&#039;s plane and then used the plane to take him on international speaking events and &quot;peace negotiations&quot; that were designed to set him up for the presidential bid. But I too want to compare these more closely.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Solis is held up?!  I&#8217;m off to check this out.</p>
<p>(I do know Richardson used NM taxpayer money to buy a Governor&#8217;s plane and then used the plane to take him on international speaking events and &#8220;peace negotiations&#8221; that were designed to set him up for the presidential bid. But I too want to compare these more closely.)</p>
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		<title>By: Historiann</title>
		<link>http://www.historiann.com/2009/02/03/democratic-dumbaes-cheap-stupid-or-both/comment-page-1/#comment-211243</link>
		<dc:creator>Historiann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 15:45:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Susurro--yes, the other shoe has yet to drop on Richardson.  I knew there was a lot of gossip last year about him re: his presidential campaign, and that there was some funny business in N.M. that might have been embarassing had it come to light.  I hope we find out what it was with Richardson so that we can compare these &quot;oopsies.&quot;

And now I hear that Hilda Solis&#039;s nomination is being held up, too...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Susurro&#8211;yes, the other shoe has yet to drop on Richardson.  I knew there was a lot of gossip last year about him re: his presidential campaign, and that there was some funny business in N.M. that might have been embarassing had it come to light.  I hope we find out what it was with Richardson so that we can compare these &#8220;oopsies.&#8221;</p>
<p>And now I hear that Hilda Solis&#8217;s nomination is being held up, too&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: susurro</title>
		<link>http://www.historiann.com/2009/02/03/democratic-dumbaes-cheap-stupid-or-both/comment-page-1/#comment-211226</link>
		<dc:creator>susurro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 15:31:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;is not ok&quot;  should be &quot;is ok&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;is not ok&#8221;  should be &#8220;is ok&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: susurro</title>
		<link>http://www.historiann.com/2009/02/03/democratic-dumbaes-cheap-stupid-or-both/comment-page-1/#comment-211225</link>
		<dc:creator>susurro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 15:31:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do think we differ on that last bit but not on the idea that blaming women for things for which they are not the perpetrators is not ok.

Another interesting aspect of these latest appointments for me was that Richardson bowed out over suspicion of financial impropriety but Obama backed Daschle long after his issues came to light.  Did Richardson have more to hide? was he more astute about the outcomes? It seems like the ship has sailed on corruption-free politicians regardless of party. It is why many of my students were looking for an alternative party in the 2004 elections and it will be interesting to see how they feel around 2010 or so . . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do think we differ on that last bit but not on the idea that blaming women for things for which they are not the perpetrators is not ok.</p>
<p>Another interesting aspect of these latest appointments for me was that Richardson bowed out over suspicion of financial impropriety but Obama backed Daschle long after his issues came to light.  Did Richardson have more to hide? was he more astute about the outcomes? It seems like the ship has sailed on corruption-free politicians regardless of party. It is why many of my students were looking for an alternative party in the 2004 elections and it will be interesting to see how they feel around 2010 or so . . .</p>
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		<title>By: Historiann</title>
		<link>http://www.historiann.com/2009/02/03/democratic-dumbaes-cheap-stupid-or-both/comment-page-1/#comment-210471</link>
		<dc:creator>Historiann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 03:46:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are a lot of people who are really losing confidence in Obama quickly over the nominees who have dropped out, and over the stimulus bill.  It seems to me like more of a dog every day--and his team&#039;s handling seems very disorganized.  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.talkleft.com/story/2009/2/4/163958/5551&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Check out this discussion at TalkLeft&lt;/a&gt;--in my opinion, there are a lot of chickens with their heads cut off running around there, but if Dems are talking like this, it doesn&#039;t bode well for Obama.  Even the dedicated Obama blogs are wondering wha the heck is going on.

Like GayProf, I&#039;m happy that Daschle is out of the picture.  There is beauty in the fact that Daschle was one of Obama&#039;s earliest big fans and supporters--now he&#039;s under the bus with the rest of us.  (Well, he was until his private car and driver retrieved him.)  Koshembos is right--this is what accountants are for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are a lot of people who are really losing confidence in Obama quickly over the nominees who have dropped out, and over the stimulus bill.  It seems to me like more of a dog every day&#8211;and his team&#8217;s handling seems very disorganized.  <a href="http://www.talkleft.com/story/2009/2/4/163958/5551" rel="nofollow">Check out this discussion at TalkLeft</a>&#8211;in my opinion, there are a lot of chickens with their heads cut off running around there, but if Dems are talking like this, it doesn&#8217;t bode well for Obama.  Even the dedicated Obama blogs are wondering wha the heck is going on.</p>
<p>Like GayProf, I&#8217;m happy that Daschle is out of the picture.  There is beauty in the fact that Daschle was one of Obama&#8217;s earliest big fans and supporters&#8211;now he&#8217;s under the bus with the rest of us.  (Well, he was until his private car and driver retrieved him.)  Koshembos is right&#8211;this is what accountants are for.</p>
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		<title>By: Erica</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 01:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@susurro -- Mothers are often credited for their children&#039;s successes, but are much more strongly vilified for their children&#039;s failures. Fathers tend to get similar credit for good kids, but less blame for bad ones.

But I was also being sarcastic in my comment about Mrs. Bush :)

@koshembos -- Fair enough; I&#039;ve never had an accountant (my taxes are very dull) so I have no experience with what they are supposed to find :) Your point actually makes me wonder why, with all the &quot;experts&quot; who explained the fine points of the tax issues, I didn&#039;t hear any of them mention that they were CPA&#039;s or the like. They&#039;d be the best qualified to comment on the simplicity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@susurro &#8212; Mothers are often credited for their children&#8217;s successes, but are much more strongly vilified for their children&#8217;s failures. Fathers tend to get similar credit for good kids, but less blame for bad ones.</p>
<p>But I was also being sarcastic in my comment about Mrs. Bush <img src='http://www.historiann.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>@koshembos &#8212; Fair enough; I&#8217;ve never had an accountant (my taxes are very dull) so I have no experience with what they are supposed to find <img src='http://www.historiann.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Your point actually makes me wonder why, with all the &#8220;experts&#8221; who explained the fine points of the tax issues, I didn&#8217;t hear any of them mention that they were CPA&#8217;s or the like. They&#8217;d be the best qualified to comment on the simplicity.</p>
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		<title>By: koshembos</title>
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		<dc:creator>koshembos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 19:43:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am with gayProf; Daschle is a provably inept majority/minority leader. He has never worked in health care except write about it.

Erica, I have an accountant do my taxes and he points me  to my omissions and my mistakes. Daschle with his millions can get the best accountant money can buy and she is really good. Daschle, like his twin tax payer Geithner, is a tax cheat; always go for a simple explanation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am with gayProf; Daschle is a provably inept majority/minority leader. He has never worked in health care except write about it.</p>
<p>Erica, I have an accountant do my taxes and he points me  to my omissions and my mistakes. Daschle with his millions can get the best accountant money can buy and she is really good. Daschle, like his twin tax payer Geithner, is a tax cheat; always go for a simple explanation.</p>
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		<title>By: GayProf</title>
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		<dc:creator>GayProf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 16:13:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have nothing really to add except that I am relieved that Daschle has been pushed out.  He was a terrible majority (and then, through his fumbling, minority) Senate leader.  In a stunning show of Democrats&#039; lameness, he cozied up to Bush as much as possible (Something that Senate Republicans are not at all inclined to do with Obama -- When will Democrats learn to play hard ball?).

Geithner struck me as woefully inadequate for the job and a bit of a crook.  And I actually support the Obama administration.  Just imagine the perception of these jokers from the enemies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have nothing really to add except that I am relieved that Daschle has been pushed out.  He was a terrible majority (and then, through his fumbling, minority) Senate leader.  In a stunning show of Democrats&#8217; lameness, he cozied up to Bush as much as possible (Something that Senate Republicans are not at all inclined to do with Obama &#8212; When will Democrats learn to play hard ball?).</p>
<p>Geithner struck me as woefully inadequate for the job and a bit of a crook.  And I actually support the Obama administration.  Just imagine the perception of these jokers from the enemies.</p>
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		<title>By: Historiann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Historiann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 16:10:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and p.s.  Yes, Jenna has pulled it out of the can since college graduation.  But she was the subject of a lot of embarassing photos and stories when she was in college.  

I wonder what will happen if Sascha or Malia Obama are ever photographed falling down drunk on the floor with their dresses up over their thighs?  Hmmm...who will be to blame for that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and p.s.  Yes, Jenna has pulled it out of the can since college graduation.  But she was the subject of a lot of embarassing photos and stories when she was in college.  </p>
<p>I wonder what will happen if Sascha or Malia Obama are ever photographed falling down drunk on the floor with their dresses up over their thighs?  Hmmm&#8230;who will be to blame for that?</p>
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