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	<title>Comments on: CK nixes Senate bid to attend to ailing uncle</title>
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		<title>By: Historiann</title>
		<link>http://www.historiann.com/2009/01/21/ck-nixes-senate-bid-to-attend-to-ailing-uncle/comment-page-1/#comment-193455</link>
		<dc:creator>Historiann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jan 2009 16:20:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, we all have to go sometime.  EMK has had a longer, more colorful, more privileged, and more dramatic life than most people have.  What I like about him is that as a statesman, he was always on the side of people not as fortunate as he was.  And, given the unreasonable expectations laid upon him after his brothers&#039; deaths, he persisted and made a very distinguished career as a senator.  

What I don&#039;t like is the history of carousing, womanizing, and (probably) drunk driving, with deadly consequences for one young woman.  I wouldn&#039;t care so much if it weren&#039;t that another person paid the price for his behavior.

If CK decides to carry on the family tradition in 2010 and run for the office, that would be great.  I&#039;ve always thought that the Kennedys promoted their sons, who have historically almost all been prone to bad behavior, drunkenness, addiction, etc., and overlooked the daughters, who all got good educations and are upstanding citizens, by all accounts.  But--political dynasty is for boys only, I guess.  Just think how much better off the family might have been had they promoted Kathleen, Caroline, Kara, and the other daughters of the third generation, instead of the sons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, we all have to go sometime.  EMK has had a longer, more colorful, more privileged, and more dramatic life than most people have.  What I like about him is that as a statesman, he was always on the side of people not as fortunate as he was.  And, given the unreasonable expectations laid upon him after his brothers&#8217; deaths, he persisted and made a very distinguished career as a senator.  </p>
<p>What I don&#8217;t like is the history of carousing, womanizing, and (probably) drunk driving, with deadly consequences for one young woman.  I wouldn&#8217;t care so much if it weren&#8217;t that another person paid the price for his behavior.</p>
<p>If CK decides to carry on the family tradition in 2010 and run for the office, that would be great.  I&#8217;ve always thought that the Kennedys promoted their sons, who have historically almost all been prone to bad behavior, drunkenness, addiction, etc., and overlooked the daughters, who all got good educations and are upstanding citizens, by all accounts.  But&#8211;political dynasty is for boys only, I guess.  Just think how much better off the family might have been had they promoted Kathleen, Caroline, Kara, and the other daughters of the third generation, instead of the sons.</p>
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		<title>By: ej</title>
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		<dc:creator>ej</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jan 2009 15:44:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see your point. I guess I am wondering if what happened this week might be an indication that things have taken a turn for the worse, though I hope I am wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see your point. I guess I am wondering if what happened this week might be an indication that things have taken a turn for the worse, though I hope I am wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Historiann</title>
		<link>http://www.historiann.com/2009/01/21/ck-nixes-senate-bid-to-attend-to-ailing-uncle/comment-page-1/#comment-193391</link>
		<dc:creator>Historiann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jan 2009 15:28:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>True--this is the sum of her &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/22/nyregion/22caroline.html?_r=1&amp;scp=3&amp;sq=caroline%20kennedy&amp;st=cse&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;personal statement&lt;/a&gt;:



&lt;blockquote&gt;“I informed Governor Paterson today that for personal reasons I am withdrawing my name from consideration for the United States Senate,” Ms. Kennedy said in a statement released by her public relations firm.  &lt;/blockquote&gt;



&lt;em&gt;(Her public relations firm?)&lt;/em&gt;

Again, I am not suggesting that she is insincere--I&#039;m sure she&#039;s sad about her uncle.  I&#039;m suggesting that her uncle&#039;s health is a flimsy excuse, given that he had been sick for 6 months when she made her interest in the special appointment known.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>True&#8211;this is the sum of her <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/22/nyregion/22caroline.html?_r=1&#038;scp=3&#038;sq=caroline%20kennedy&#038;st=cse" rel="nofollow">personal statement</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>“I informed Governor Paterson today that for personal reasons I am withdrawing my name from consideration for the United States Senate,” Ms. Kennedy said in a statement released by her public relations firm.  </p></blockquote>
<p><em>(Her public relations firm?)</em></p>
<p>Again, I am not suggesting that she is insincere&#8211;I&#8217;m sure she&#8217;s sad about her uncle.  I&#8217;m suggesting that her uncle&#8217;s health is a flimsy excuse, given that he had been sick for 6 months when she made her interest in the special appointment known.</p>
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		<title>By: ej</title>
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		<dc:creator>ej</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jan 2009 15:04:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that there is probably more here than meets the eye (or the ear) but I don&#039;t think that citing her concern for her uncle is insincere. TK may have a wife and children of his own to care for him, but that doesn&#039;t negate CK&#039;s desire to have time to be with him, especially if the prognosis he&#039;s getting from doctors isn&#039;t very optimistic. And I do think it would be different if she was already in office, but she&#039;s not. And in some respects, she might be avoiding having to make difficult decisions about priorities later on, which I respect. 

And ultimately, she hasn&#039;t said anything about why she made this decision-this is all speculation from sources &quot;close to her.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that there is probably more here than meets the eye (or the ear) but I don&#8217;t think that citing her concern for her uncle is insincere. TK may have a wife and children of his own to care for him, but that doesn&#8217;t negate CK&#8217;s desire to have time to be with him, especially if the prognosis he&#8217;s getting from doctors isn&#8217;t very optimistic. And I do think it would be different if she was already in office, but she&#8217;s not. And in some respects, she might be avoiding having to make difficult decisions about priorities later on, which I respect. </p>
<p>And ultimately, she hasn&#8217;t said anything about why she made this decision-this is all speculation from sources &#8220;close to her.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Historiann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Historiann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jan 2009 14:17:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I meant no disrespect to Senator Kennedy, but he was ill for quite a while before CK announced her interest in becoming Senator.  Indeed, there was quite a lot of speculation in December that Senator Kennedy himself thought it was important to have a Kennedy in the Senate, which was part of the rationale for pushing his niece.  People in public life have ailing relatives and deaths in the family all of the time, and they don&#039;t resign from public office to &quot;cope.&quot;  

The Senator has a wife, children, and grandchildren to look after him in his illness.  I certainly hope he recovers to play an active role in this congress. 

To repeat:  I think Caroline Kennedy would be a fine senate candidate in 2010.  She is absolutely qualified to run, and the running would serve her well as a candidate and as a Senator should she be successful.  I simply thought she was a poor choice for a special appointment considering New York&#039;s deep bench of formidable Dem talent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I meant no disrespect to Senator Kennedy, but he was ill for quite a while before CK announced her interest in becoming Senator.  Indeed, there was quite a lot of speculation in December that Senator Kennedy himself thought it was important to have a Kennedy in the Senate, which was part of the rationale for pushing his niece.  People in public life have ailing relatives and deaths in the family all of the time, and they don&#8217;t resign from public office to &#8220;cope.&#8221;  </p>
<p>The Senator has a wife, children, and grandchildren to look after him in his illness.  I certainly hope he recovers to play an active role in this congress. </p>
<p>To repeat:  I think Caroline Kennedy would be a fine senate candidate in 2010.  She is absolutely qualified to run, and the running would serve her well as a candidate and as a Senator should she be successful.  I simply thought she was a poor choice for a special appointment considering New York&#8217;s deep bench of formidable Dem talent.</p>
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		<title>By: Knitting Clio</title>
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		<dc:creator>Knitting Clio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jan 2009 11:55:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Susan -- you can criticize Caroline Kennedy&#039;s candidacy all you want but how about showing some compassion for her personal situation?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Susan &#8212; you can criticize Caroline Kennedy&#8217;s candidacy all you want but how about showing some compassion for her personal situation?</p>
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		<title>By: Mikail</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mikail</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jan 2009 09:55:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Grr...excuse my lack of standards. Ortho sice may still be right. 2am and I didn&#039;t check my sources. The link posted above was contined in a blockqoute that mentioned Maloney being pushed. It was actually a rewriting--a fiction--that appeared real enough. Feel free to jsut delete the whole thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Grr&#8230;excuse my lack of standards. Ortho sice may still be right. 2am and I didn&#8217;t check my sources. The link posted above was contined in a blockqoute that mentioned Maloney being pushed. It was actually a rewriting&#8211;a fiction&#8211;that appeared real enough. Feel free to jsut delete the whole thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Mikail</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mikail</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jan 2009 09:48:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually ortho stice, looks like Schumer has been pushing Maloney (my choice!) in the background:

http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/s/caroline_kennedy_schlossberg/index.html?inline=nyt-per

Thank God the Kennedy debacle is over. After the complete mood of vapidity that helped get Obama elected, I don&#039;t think I could have taken teh insult to injury of having someone  without any ideas or message push their family name to get the NY Senate seat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually ortho stice, looks like Schumer has been pushing Maloney (my choice!) in the background:</p>
<p><a href="http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/s/caroline_kennedy_schlossberg/index.html?inline=nyt-per" rel="nofollow">http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/s/caroline_kennedy_schlossberg/index.html?inline=nyt-per</a></p>
<p>Thank God the Kennedy debacle is over. After the complete mood of vapidity that helped get Obama elected, I don&#8217;t think I could have taken teh insult to injury of having someone  without any ideas or message push their family name to get the NY Senate seat.</p>
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		<title>By: cgeye</title>
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		<dc:creator>cgeye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jan 2009 07:31:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Once she moves back into public life, of course kindness is merited.

It&#039;s the use of her family&#039;s sadness in trade for unearned power that galls, and I&#039;ll resist any meme that gives her such authority through sympathy or fandom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once she moves back into public life, of course kindness is merited.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s the use of her family&#8217;s sadness in trade for unearned power that galls, and I&#8217;ll resist any meme that gives her such authority through sympathy or fandom.</p>
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		<title>By: Susan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Susan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jan 2009 06:38:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think CK was the best possible candidate, though I never thought she was completely implausible. (I don&#039;t think that having run for office is a requirement for being appointed.)  But can we be human? Ted Kennedy was a surrogate father to her since Bobby died, and she&#039;s lost both her parents and her brother. This is the man that has been with her through it all. CK&#039;s attitude strikes me as a normal reaction -- to suddenly know that your energy will be somewhere else, not in learning a big new job. 

I&#039;m not sure if my feelings about this come from my experiences in cancer land, or from watching CK for almost 50 years, but she&#039;s faced more than her share of mortality, and it might be nice to take her at her word. And since she&#039;s out of the running, it costs nothing to be kind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think CK was the best possible candidate, though I never thought she was completely implausible. (I don&#8217;t think that having run for office is a requirement for being appointed.)  But can we be human? Ted Kennedy was a surrogate father to her since Bobby died, and she&#8217;s lost both her parents and her brother. This is the man that has been with her through it all. CK&#8217;s attitude strikes me as a normal reaction &#8212; to suddenly know that your energy will be somewhere else, not in learning a big new job. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure if my feelings about this come from my experiences in cancer land, or from watching CK for almost 50 years, but she&#8217;s faced more than her share of mortality, and it might be nice to take her at her word. And since she&#8217;s out of the running, it costs nothing to be kind.</p>
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