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	<title>Comments on: Martin Luther King holiday book review:  Toni Morrison&#8217;s &#8220;A Mercy&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: gonutsjonats</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 15:40:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thank you for this review.. i was enlightened to the real meaning of the book.. i&#039;m not american so i&#039;m quite uninformed with this part of you&#039;re history...thanks again!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thank you for this review.. i was enlightened to the real meaning of the book.. i&#8217;m not american so i&#8217;m quite uninformed with this part of you&#8217;re history&#8230;thanks again!</p>
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		<title>By: sandrad</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 00:19:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039; not sure how I arrived here...
Wow what an intelligent review, captivating. 
I must read the book though I fear my emotions will have the best of me. 
I am no intellect, but I love reading quality books.
I am so tired of feeling a hint of mutual interest with a stranger who espouses also be a &quot;reader&quot; only to find out they like junk food books such as vampire series and Harlequin romance stuff. How the heck do I then try to distinguish myself from them... and why do I feel this crazy need to explain I&#039;m not that kind of reader. Ugh. 

I enjoy historically framed stories and lot and lots of  non-fic.
Tks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217; not sure how I arrived here&#8230;<br />
Wow what an intelligent review, captivating.<br />
I must read the book though I fear my emotions will have the best of me.<br />
I am no intellect, but I love reading quality books.<br />
I am so tired of feeling a hint of mutual interest with a stranger who espouses also be a &#8220;reader&#8221; only to find out they like junk food books such as vampire series and Harlequin romance stuff. How the heck do I then try to distinguish myself from them&#8230; and why do I feel this crazy need to explain I&#8217;m not that kind of reader. Ugh. </p>
<p>I enjoy historically framed stories and lot and lots of  non-fic.<br />
Tks</p>
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		<title>By: Historiann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Historiann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 15:16:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, KC--yes, it&#039;s kind of a compendium of everything in colonial America, squeezed into 167 pages.  Slavery and servitude!  Rape!  Witchcraft accusations!  Religious dissenters!  Anti-Catholicism!  The pace gets a little exhausting at times.  

I like Liz2&#039;s suggestions, and I understand her interest in teaching with novels.  But--and perhaps I&#039;m being too optimistic here--there are now enough books and articles (for now) that deal with African American and Indian women&#039;s history that I can fill out a syllabus with history books and articles that address the experiences of all women.  Pre-1800 African American women&#039;s history has the thinnest historiography, but even that field gradually gets better every year.  

I certainly admire the imaginative efforts that Morrison went to in order to successfully create characters very much like the hundreds of thousands of people whose actual lives and experiences history did not record or preserve, but on the other hand, I don&#039;t want to suggest to my students that the only way to do this is through fictional re-creations.  I think students should see writing this kind of history as difficult and creative but possible.  I guess I wonder in some ways if assigning this book would suggest to students that historians should give up on history from the bottom up.

(And, Indyanna--don&#039;t worry about Roxie&#039;s teasing!  You are in fact ideally poised to re-create Vaark&#039;s journey to and fro the Chesapeake.  Maybe you can get John McPhee to ride along with you this time?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, KC&#8211;yes, it&#8217;s kind of a compendium of everything in colonial America, squeezed into 167 pages.  Slavery and servitude!  Rape!  Witchcraft accusations!  Religious dissenters!  Anti-Catholicism!  The pace gets a little exhausting at times.  </p>
<p>I like Liz2&#8242;s suggestions, and I understand her interest in teaching with novels.  But&#8211;and perhaps I&#8217;m being too optimistic here&#8211;there are now enough books and articles (for now) that deal with African American and Indian women&#8217;s history that I can fill out a syllabus with history books and articles that address the experiences of all women.  Pre-1800 African American women&#8217;s history has the thinnest historiography, but even that field gradually gets better every year.  </p>
<p>I certainly admire the imaginative efforts that Morrison went to in order to successfully create characters very much like the hundreds of thousands of people whose actual lives and experiences history did not record or preserve, but on the other hand, I don&#8217;t want to suggest to my students that the only way to do this is through fictional re-creations.  I think students should see writing this kind of history as difficult and creative but possible.  I guess I wonder in some ways if assigning this book would suggest to students that historians should give up on history from the bottom up.</p>
<p>(And, Indyanna&#8211;don&#8217;t worry about Roxie&#8217;s teasing!  You are in fact ideally poised to re-create Vaark&#8217;s journey to and fro the Chesapeake.  Maybe you can get John McPhee to ride along with you this time?)</p>
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		<title>By: Knitting Clio</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 15:03:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great review, Historiann.  I enjoyed the book very much too.  I&#039;ve used novels before in my classes (e.g. Charlotte Temple, Little Women), but I&#039;m not sure if I would use this one.  Although it&#039;s more accessible than some of Morrison&#039;s other novels (I read Paradise twice and still didn&#039;t understand everything that was happening) it still is difficult to follow at times.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great review, Historiann.  I enjoyed the book very much too.  I&#8217;ve used novels before in my classes (e.g. Charlotte Temple, Little Women), but I&#8217;m not sure if I would use this one.  Although it&#8217;s more accessible than some of Morrison&#8217;s other novels (I read Paradise twice and still didn&#8217;t understand everything that was happening) it still is difficult to follow at times.</p>
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		<title>By: Indyanna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Indyanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 04:26:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really didn&#039;t mean to implicate the English professoriate.  I think it&#039;s more a problem at the secondary levels. I find it difficult to mention *any* books, plays, poems, essays, that I read in high school that any of my students have ever even heard of.   

On Milton, who knew?  There are (at least) two of them in NY.  One in Saratoga County, not really hard by the Hudson.  A second on the main stem of the Hudson, but on the west bank, near Kingston (which would have been Esopus in the novel&#039;s timeline I think).  Still sounds like kind of a late Yankee invasion thing.  Ironically, I&#039;ve been paying a lot of attention to that part of the Hudson lately for a project of my own, but mostly the east bank, and had never even noticed any Milton.  

Yeah, Historiann, I should just put this novel on my comps. list and do a little cultural-g.p.s. work on it. Will report if this happens, but it may take a while.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really didn&#8217;t mean to implicate the English professoriate.  I think it&#8217;s more a problem at the secondary levels. I find it difficult to mention *any* books, plays, poems, essays, that I read in high school that any of my students have ever even heard of.   </p>
<p>On Milton, who knew?  There are (at least) two of them in NY.  One in Saratoga County, not really hard by the Hudson.  A second on the main stem of the Hudson, but on the west bank, near Kingston (which would have been Esopus in the novel&#8217;s timeline I think).  Still sounds like kind of a late Yankee invasion thing.  Ironically, I&#8217;ve been paying a lot of attention to that part of the Hudson lately for a project of my own, but mostly the east bank, and had never even noticed any Milton.  </p>
<p>Yeah, Historiann, I should just put this novel on my comps. list and do a little cultural-g.p.s. work on it. Will report if this happens, but it may take a while.</p>
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		<title>By: Liz2</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 01:58:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I usually use one novel a semester, especially in my intro classes (although this semester I&#039;m substituting with a memoir).  I like to bring in a novel because I teach African history and students complain about the &quot;lack of emotion&quot; in the scholarly articles we read (they are used to American historical writing based on diaries and other sources that are much rarer in my field).  I have them use the novel in comparison with scholarly articles on the same topic/timeframe.  In comparing the two they have to consider what issues/themes arise in one and not the other and consider what that means.  For example in reading a novel about a Nigerian woman in the 1980s who becomes &quot;an activist&quot;, doesn&#039;t want to marry and ends up having only one child - they have to explore how scholars studying Nigerian women in the 1980s write about their experiences.  Would this be a likely outcome for a woman in Nigeria? Or a woman of the particular class and/or ethnicity? etc, etc.  This has several values as I see it, 1) When students see commonalities between the sources they stop complaining about how negative &quot;historians&quot; are (I really get this comment a lot - we&#039;re all so negative). 2) It makes students consider fictional narratives and how they are pieced together from both historical works but also the present imagination.  3) It gets them to consider the value of primary evidence - if several historians say one thing and one novelist says another - how do we evaluate the relative value of their narratives.

I&#039;m sure there is more that I do with them, I&#039;m tired out from a house full of kids.  Holidays with no public school are not holidays! :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I usually use one novel a semester, especially in my intro classes (although this semester I&#8217;m substituting with a memoir).  I like to bring in a novel because I teach African history and students complain about the &#8220;lack of emotion&#8221; in the scholarly articles we read (they are used to American historical writing based on diaries and other sources that are much rarer in my field).  I have them use the novel in comparison with scholarly articles on the same topic/timeframe.  In comparing the two they have to consider what issues/themes arise in one and not the other and consider what that means.  For example in reading a novel about a Nigerian woman in the 1980s who becomes &#8220;an activist&#8221;, doesn&#8217;t want to marry and ends up having only one child &#8211; they have to explore how scholars studying Nigerian women in the 1980s write about their experiences.  Would this be a likely outcome for a woman in Nigeria? Or a woman of the particular class and/or ethnicity? etc, etc.  This has several values as I see it, 1) When students see commonalities between the sources they stop complaining about how negative &#8220;historians&#8221; are (I really get this comment a lot &#8211; we&#8217;re all so negative). 2) It makes students consider fictional narratives and how they are pieced together from both historical works but also the present imagination.  3) It gets them to consider the value of primary evidence &#8211; if several historians say one thing and one novelist says another &#8211; how do we evaluate the relative value of their narratives.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure there is more that I do with them, I&#8217;m tired out from a house full of kids.  Holidays with no public school are not holidays! <img src='http://www.historiann.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Historiann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Historiann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 23:12:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Clio B.  Yes, my students also use the term &quot;novel&quot; to refer to anything other than textbooks.  I like your ideas for using it in the classroom.  Maybe one of the problems I&#039;m having with the book is that I don&#039;t have any major issues with her portrayal of colonial life--and I like to assign books that make provocative arguments or force the reader to consider controversial questions.  I know that for most readers, this colonial America will look unpleasantly Hobbesian, so it might seem like a controversial book to them.  But I don&#039;t think this book will shock or upset the vast, vast majority of historians.

Maybe it would be a good book for exploring the reasons for &quot;the unity (or lack thereof) among women and other disempowered people,&quot; with an emphasis on &quot;the lack thereof!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Clio B.  Yes, my students also use the term &#8220;novel&#8221; to refer to anything other than textbooks.  I like your ideas for using it in the classroom.  Maybe one of the problems I&#8217;m having with the book is that I don&#8217;t have any major issues with her portrayal of colonial life&#8211;and I like to assign books that make provocative arguments or force the reader to consider controversial questions.  I know that for most readers, this colonial America will look unpleasantly Hobbesian, so it might seem like a controversial book to them.  But I don&#8217;t think this book will shock or upset the vast, vast majority of historians.</p>
<p>Maybe it would be a good book for exploring the reasons for &#8220;the unity (or lack thereof) among women and other disempowered people,&#8221; with an emphasis on &#8220;the lack thereof!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Clio Bluestocking</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clio Bluestocking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 22:05:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lovely review! While I was reading it, I was thinking of reviewing it, but thought, &quot;Historiann will do a much better job.&quot; I agree with you that Morrison portrays a colonial world that is nasty and brutish. The communities that she shows are either outlaws (the fugitive group), narrow and closed (the Anabaptists and Puritans and even the Presbyterians who cast out Lina after her rape), or very tenuous (the central one). 

The central community on Vaark&#039;s farm is the most varied, but the essentially powerless state of all of it&#039;s inhabitants other than Vaark cause them to turn on one another the minute that he is gone. No one except perhaps Vaark is free in any sense of the word. Since historical fiction is as much about the author&#039;s time as the historical period depicted, I think Morrison is saying something about the unity (or lack thereof) among women and other disempowered people.

As for using a novel in the classroom, my students, like Indyanna&#039;s, tend to call anything book-shaped a &quot;novel.&quot; I&#039;ve had two different experiences with actual novels. I was a t.a. for a teacher who assigned &quot;Killer Angels&quot; (yeah, I know!). While the novel did help the students wrap their imaginations around some of the larger issues of the war, they tended to have a difficult time distinguishing fiction from fact. Some even took the novel as essentially a transcript of the battle of Gettysburg. 

I have also taught &quot;The Jungle.&quot; Opposite reaction there. The students judged &quot;all of that could not have happened to one person&quot; and therefore discounted all of the ideas that Lewis attempted to convey. 

I think that you would have to teach &quot;Mercy&quot; with a lot of accomanying non-fiction and explicitly guide the students toward an understanding of the narrative as an interpretation rather than fact. Perhaps you could bring in documented examples that mirror pieces of the story. 

Really, why can&#039;t historical novelists footnote their work!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lovely review! While I was reading it, I was thinking of reviewing it, but thought, &#8220;Historiann will do a much better job.&#8221; I agree with you that Morrison portrays a colonial world that is nasty and brutish. The communities that she shows are either outlaws (the fugitive group), narrow and closed (the Anabaptists and Puritans and even the Presbyterians who cast out Lina after her rape), or very tenuous (the central one). </p>
<p>The central community on Vaark&#8217;s farm is the most varied, but the essentially powerless state of all of it&#8217;s inhabitants other than Vaark cause them to turn on one another the minute that he is gone. No one except perhaps Vaark is free in any sense of the word. Since historical fiction is as much about the author&#8217;s time as the historical period depicted, I think Morrison is saying something about the unity (or lack thereof) among women and other disempowered people.</p>
<p>As for using a novel in the classroom, my students, like Indyanna&#8217;s, tend to call anything book-shaped a &#8220;novel.&#8221; I&#8217;ve had two different experiences with actual novels. I was a t.a. for a teacher who assigned &#8220;Killer Angels&#8221; (yeah, I know!). While the novel did help the students wrap their imaginations around some of the larger issues of the war, they tended to have a difficult time distinguishing fiction from fact. Some even took the novel as essentially a transcript of the battle of Gettysburg. </p>
<p>I have also taught &#8220;The Jungle.&#8221; Opposite reaction there. The students judged &#8220;all of that could not have happened to one person&#8221; and therefore discounted all of the ideas that Lewis attempted to convey. </p>
<p>I think that you would have to teach &#8220;Mercy&#8221; with a lot of accomanying non-fiction and explicitly guide the students toward an understanding of the narrative as an interpretation rather than fact. Perhaps you could bring in documented examples that mirror pieces of the story. </p>
<p>Really, why can&#8217;t historical novelists footnote their work!</p>
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		<title>By: Historiann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Historiann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 21:53:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MT--thanks for your comment.  Empathy and imagination are important, but ultimately, I want the readings in my classes to accomplish something more substantial.  How might you set up a novel like this in an intellectual exercise, like a paper assignment?  What would it do that a historical publication would not?  (Roxie, this is a question for you, too.)

For you colonial historians out there, I&#039;m thinking of Breen and Innes&#039;s &lt;em&gt;Myne Own Ground&lt;/em&gt; as an example of a microhistory that illustrates the possibilities, and the foreclosed options, that Africans and Europeans alike faced in the English New World colonies in the 17th C.  The main thing Morrison&#039;s book does that most colonial history books don&#039;t is to highlight women&#039;s experiences.  This by the way is what I&#039;m trying to do with the book I&#039;m writing, although it is of course a non-fiction book (as much as possible, anyway).  I have&#039;t yet read Jon Sensbach&#039;s &lt;em&gt;Rebecca&#039;s Revival&lt;/em&gt; yet--can anyone comment on that title?  My guess is that might accomplish the same thing as Morrison&#039;s novel, but in more specific and evidence-based ways.

And, Roxie--that&#039;s a really great book!  DeLillo is one of our few modern novelists whose works tend to revolve around history.  I think he&#039;s fascinating.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MT&#8211;thanks for your comment.  Empathy and imagination are important, but ultimately, I want the readings in my classes to accomplish something more substantial.  How might you set up a novel like this in an intellectual exercise, like a paper assignment?  What would it do that a historical publication would not?  (Roxie, this is a question for you, too.)</p>
<p>For you colonial historians out there, I&#8217;m thinking of Breen and Innes&#8217;s <em>Myne Own Ground</em> as an example of a microhistory that illustrates the possibilities, and the foreclosed options, that Africans and Europeans alike faced in the English New World colonies in the 17th C.  The main thing Morrison&#8217;s book does that most colonial history books don&#8217;t is to highlight women&#8217;s experiences.  This by the way is what I&#8217;m trying to do with the book I&#8217;m writing, although it is of course a non-fiction book (as much as possible, anyway).  I have&#8217;t yet read Jon Sensbach&#8217;s <em>Rebecca&#8217;s Revival</em> yet&#8211;can anyone comment on that title?  My guess is that might accomplish the same thing as Morrison&#8217;s novel, but in more specific and evidence-based ways.</p>
<p>And, Roxie&#8211;that&#8217;s a really great book!  DeLillo is one of our few modern novelists whose works tend to revolve around history.  I think he&#8217;s fascinating.</p>
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		<title>By: Roxie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roxie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 21:33:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indyanna -- Big ouch from the English profs of Roxie&#039;s World, who battle every day of their working lives to maintain the purity of genres.  Perhaps we could blame the media for subjecting students to a steady diet of mixed-genre fare -- &quot;infotainment,&quot; etc.  Or perhaps we should hold the writers themselves to account.  Fie on Morrison for writing &quot;historical fiction&quot; and Dickinson for hiding poems in letters and vice versa.  We applaud Historiann&#039;s inclination to bring the novel into the history classroom and promise to advise her on how to teach her students the distinctive and unchanging features of each of the literary genres -- as soon as we&#039;re finished re-reading Don DeLillo&#039;s Libra for the real story of the Kennedy assassination.  ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indyanna &#8212; Big ouch from the English profs of Roxie&#8217;s World, who battle every day of their working lives to maintain the purity of genres.  Perhaps we could blame the media for subjecting students to a steady diet of mixed-genre fare &#8212; &#8220;infotainment,&#8221; etc.  Or perhaps we should hold the writers themselves to account.  Fie on Morrison for writing &#8220;historical fiction&#8221; and Dickinson for hiding poems in letters and vice versa.  We applaud Historiann&#8217;s inclination to bring the novel into the history classroom and promise to advise her on how to teach her students the distinctive and unchanging features of each of the literary genres &#8212; as soon as we&#8217;re finished re-reading Don DeLillo&#8217;s Libra for the real story of the Kennedy assassination.  <img src='http://www.historiann.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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