Comments on: Kennedy and aristocracy, Palin and motherhood, and the “trashing” of Hillary Clinton http://www.historiann.com/2009/01/05/kennedy-and-aristocracy-palin-and-motherhood-and-the-trashing-of-hillary-clinton/ History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present Mon, 20 May 2013 22:12:05 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4 By: We love the 90s? : Historiann : History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present http://www.historiann.com/2009/01/05/kennedy-and-aristocracy-palin-and-motherhood-and-the-trashing-of-hillary-clinton/comment-page-1/#comment-467134 We love the 90s? : Historiann : History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present Mon, 26 Oct 2009 12:46:46 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=2759#comment-467134 [...] (CDS) that gripped the national news media in the 1990s?  I’ve always chalked it up to a combination of envy of the Clintons’ real achievements combined with class-based ressentiment:  that a kid with a working mother who didn’t know who his real daddy was [...] [...] (CDS) that gripped the national news media in the 1990s?  I’ve always chalked it up to a combination of envy of the Clintons’ real achievements combined with class-based ressentiment:  that a kid with a working mother who didn’t know who his real daddy was [...]

]]> By: Historiann http://www.historiann.com/2009/01/05/kennedy-and-aristocracy-palin-and-motherhood-and-the-trashing-of-hillary-clinton/comment-page-1/#comment-181091 Historiann Mon, 12 Jan 2009 00:16:32 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=2759#comment-181091 Isabelle--good points. The Kennedys are parvenus, compared to really, really old Boston and Knickerbocker money, at least by American standards. (But I have to be snooty about aristocratic manners: if I didn't oppose them, I'd have absolutely no manners a'tall!) Isabelle–good points. The Kennedys are parvenus, compared to really, really old Boston and Knickerbocker money, at least by American standards. (But I have to be snooty about aristocratic manners: if I didn’t oppose them, I’d have absolutely no manners a’tall!)

]]> By: Isabelle http://www.historiann.com/2009/01/05/kennedy-and-aristocracy-palin-and-motherhood-and-the-trashing-of-hillary-clinton/comment-page-1/#comment-181052 Isabelle Sun, 11 Jan 2009 23:50:30 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=2759#comment-181052 Historiann, I have to say I largely agree with you - Caroline really doesen't seem to particularly want the job, which suggests some sense of family duty and obligation went into this. I predict that if Paterson does not choose her, we will not see her running again. However, I think you are far too hard on American aristocrats - why would you say that none have manners? Also, if we're going to be really snooty/sociological here - the Kennedys are only aristocratic in the political sense, but not old money in the really old money sense. They aren't Forbes, if you see what I mean. Historiann, I have to say I largely agree with you – Caroline really doesen’t seem to particularly want the job, which suggests some sense of family duty and obligation went into this. I predict that if Paterson does not choose her, we will not see her running again. However, I think you are far too hard on American aristocrats – why would you say that none have manners? Also, if we’re going to be really snooty/sociological here – the Kennedys are only aristocratic in the political sense, but not old money in the really old money sense. They aren’t Forbes, if you see what I mean.

]]> By: Indyanna http://www.historiann.com/2009/01/05/kennedy-and-aristocracy-palin-and-motherhood-and-the-trashing-of-hillary-clinton/comment-page-1/#comment-174405 Indyanna Tue, 06 Jan 2009 18:31:05 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=2759#comment-174405 'XPN was a feeder-school for WMMR for a generation, and 'MMR practically invented "album-oriented rock" way back in, well, a long time ago. Now 'XPN has moved to a bigger building closer to the downtown and become a hot national property. I can see the actual "World Cafe" windows even as I type (well, I could if I had wireless!) Maybe a well-publicized, Twitter-fed "listening tour" of a campus you didn't get a conventional interview at WOULD be a way of shaking the process up. Get the u-grad techno-elite fired up about who might be coming to teach there and undercut the landline set on the search committee? Couldn't be worse than waiting 'til March for a letter about the "hard decisions" that had to be made, and how excited they are that 'Zo-Shmo accepted their offer! ‘XPN was a feeder-school for WMMR for a generation, and ‘MMR practically invented “album-oriented rock” way back in, well, a long time ago. Now ‘XPN has moved to a bigger building closer to the downtown and become a hot national property. I can see the actual “World Cafe” windows even as I type (well, I could if I had wireless!)

Maybe a well-publicized, Twitter-fed “listening tour” of a campus you didn’t get a conventional interview at WOULD be a way of shaking the process up. Get the u-grad techno-elite fired up about who might be coming to teach there and undercut the landline set on the search committee? Couldn’t be worse than waiting ’til March for a letter about the “hard decisions” that had to be made, and how excited they are that ‘Zo-Shmo accepted their offer!

]]> By: Historiann http://www.historiann.com/2009/01/05/kennedy-and-aristocracy-palin-and-motherhood-and-the-trashing-of-hillary-clinton/comment-page-1/#comment-173609 Historiann Tue, 06 Jan 2009 04:36:52 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=2759#comment-173609 Yes, Indyanna--she could have jus stayed quiet and she'd be in a better place now. Yes, DD is from the old WXPN. In fact, I think his show is still out of 'XPN, and broadcast nationally. I remember listening to that guy back in 1990-91, and thinking at the time how middle-aged he seemed. Now, his show seems just about right for me! Yes, Indyanna–she could have jus stayed quiet and she’d be in a better place now.

Yes, DD is from the old WXPN. In fact, I think his show is still out of ‘XPN, and broadcast nationally. I remember listening to that guy back in 1990-91, and thinking at the time how middle-aged he seemed. Now, his show seems just about right for me!

]]> By: Indyanna http://www.historiann.com/2009/01/05/kennedy-and-aristocracy-palin-and-motherhood-and-the-trashing-of-hillary-clinton/comment-page-1/#comment-173558 Indyanna Tue, 06 Jan 2009 03:58:33 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=2759#comment-173558 If she couldn't really campaign, she *shouldn't* campaign. Just notify the guv'nor of her interest and stay by the phone. Just like applications in this business. Going on a low-key but well-publicized "listening tour" of the nether ends of the campus would be not only counterproductive, but a little bit goofy, wouldn't it? ....David Dye, the old 'MMR guy from Philly? Is World Cafe a WXPN-originated thing? If so, I can see their night lights from my back window. (Sorry if this is becoming a braided politics and radio thread). If she couldn’t really campaign, she *shouldn’t* campaign. Just notify the guv’nor of her interest and stay by the phone. Just like applications in this business. Going on a low-key but well-publicized “listening tour” of the nether ends of the campus would be not only counterproductive, but a little bit goofy, wouldn’t it?

….David Dye, the old ‘MMR guy from Philly? Is World Cafe a WXPN-originated thing? If so, I can see their night lights from my back window. (Sorry if this is becoming a braided politics and radio thread).

]]> By: Historiann http://www.historiann.com/2009/01/05/kennedy-and-aristocracy-palin-and-motherhood-and-the-trashing-of-hillary-clinton/comment-page-1/#comment-173527 Historiann Tue, 06 Jan 2009 03:24:00 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=2759#comment-173527 Well, ej, that just proves my point (after Tina B.) about class. You must be talking about TV pundits--I'm totally checked out of that universe. Just because there's only one voter doesn't mean she's not campaigning. (See the class bias there? Campaigning = meeting and talking to the hoi polloi, and how degrading is that? Actually behaving as though one is a citizen of a Democratic republic? How middle class!) What a bunch of toadying dirtbags. Well, ej, that just proves my point (after Tina B.) about class. You must be talking about TV pundits–I’m totally checked out of that universe.

Just because there’s only one voter doesn’t mean she’s not campaigning. (See the class bias there? Campaigning = meeting and talking to the hoi polloi, and how degrading is that? Actually behaving as though one is a citizen of a Democratic republic? How middle class!)

What a bunch of toadying dirtbags.

]]> By: ej http://www.historiann.com/2009/01/05/kennedy-and-aristocracy-palin-and-motherhood-and-the-trashing-of-hillary-clinton/comment-page-1/#comment-173451 ej Tue, 06 Jan 2009 02:22:33 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=2759#comment-173451 From what I've heard from the pundits, they are giving her more than the benefit of the doubt. Instead of criticizing her unwillingness to talk to the press, they excused her by saying that she was in a tricky position. Since she wasn't actually running for office, she couldn't really campaign. Or so they claimed. I guess they were interpreting answering questions from the press as campaigning. Not all of them were quite that benign, but she's definitely getting better treatment than any of the other recent high profile female candidates-from either party. From what I’ve heard from the pundits, they are giving her more than the benefit of the doubt. Instead of criticizing her unwillingness to talk to the press, they excused her by saying that she was in a tricky position. Since she wasn’t actually running for office, she couldn’t really campaign. Or so they claimed. I guess they were interpreting answering questions from the press as campaigning.

Not all of them were quite that benign, but she’s definitely getting better treatment than any of the other recent high profile female candidates-from either party.

]]> By: Historiann http://www.historiann.com/2009/01/05/kennedy-and-aristocracy-palin-and-motherhood-and-the-trashing-of-hillary-clinton/comment-page-1/#comment-173386 Historiann Tue, 06 Jan 2009 01:20:34 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=2759#comment-173386 cgeye--KUNC is its own animal--it was rescued from oblivion when Hank Brown (as President of UNC) decided that it wasn't cost effective to help subsidize the station. A bunch of sugar mommies and daddies rescued it back in early 2001--it's a good station. (I remember this vividly, because I listened to their frantic pleas for salvation while I was on my job interview at Baa Ram U. now nearly 8 years ago.) If you want modern music (at least the middle-aged friendly version--lots of Wilco, the Shins, and retro punk/new age acts from the 1980s), they play David Dye's World Cafe every weeknight from 8-10 p.m. (91.5 FM). They're also on-line. (For those of you who don't live in Colorado, I apologize for the radio station information!) And, bruce--I don't think they can reconcile both attitudes, but I don't know exactly who was extremely anti-Palin who is now extremely pro-Kennedy. (I'm not saying they're not out there--I just haven't read too many pundits I can classify this way.) If you've got any examples, I'd love to see them. Your question brings up another point: why haven't major pundits weighed in on the CK nomination? Are they chicken$hit to say what they really think, so they're chosing silence and hoping no one will notice? cgeye–KUNC is its own animal–it was rescued from oblivion when Hank Brown (as President of UNC) decided that it wasn’t cost effective to help subsidize the station. A bunch of sugar mommies and daddies rescued it back in early 2001–it’s a good station. (I remember this vividly, because I listened to their frantic pleas for salvation while I was on my job interview at Baa Ram U. now nearly 8 years ago.) If you want modern music (at least the middle-aged friendly version–lots of Wilco, the Shins, and retro punk/new age acts from the 1980s), they play David Dye’s World Cafe every weeknight from 8-10 p.m. (91.5 FM). They’re also on-line.

(For those of you who don’t live in Colorado, I apologize for the radio station information!)

And, bruce–I don’t think they can reconcile both attitudes, but I don’t know exactly who was extremely anti-Palin who is now extremely pro-Kennedy. (I’m not saying they’re not out there–I just haven’t read too many pundits I can classify this way.) If you’ve got any examples, I’d love to see them. Your question brings up another point: why haven’t major pundits weighed in on the CK nomination? Are they chicken$hit to say what they really think, so they’re chosing silence and hoping no one will notice?

]]> By: bruce nahin http://www.historiann.com/2009/01/05/kennedy-and-aristocracy-palin-and-motherhood-and-the-trashing-of-hillary-clinton/comment-page-1/#comment-173323 bruce nahin Tue, 06 Jan 2009 00:26:15 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=2759#comment-173323 So how does CK's supporters reconcile their support for her and her lack of experience with their vitrolic attacks on a sitting governor and former mayor and their contention that she lacked experience So how does CK’s supporters reconcile their support for her and her lack of experience with their vitrolic attacks on a sitting governor and former mayor and their contention that she lacked experience

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