Comments on: Money, class, and the values of academe

By: Sex and salary negotiations: no way out : Historiann : History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present

Thu, 09 Apr 2009 14:39:48 +0000

[...] Crazy hits it again and dares to talk about money. (You’ll recall that she has bravely led us on the topic before.) Specifically, she writes about her money–how much she makes, and how it stacks up [...]

By: Women bullying women : Historiann : History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present

Mon, 12 Jan 2009 15:59:09 +0000

[...] to each other, nice to male colleagues, nice nice nice. (This is also related to the dominant class identity that we maintain in academia.) We have to compliment each other all of the time, we have to smile and nod approvingly through [...]

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Kool-Aid cocktails « Dead Voles — Sun, 21 Dec 2008 14:46:42 +0000

[...] belt is tightening, as Dr. Crazy discusses in an incisive post following up on others by herself, Historiann, and Tenured Radical, with whom I completely agree. Of course there’s also much to be learned [...]

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Koolaid cocktails « Dead Voles — Sun, 21 Dec 2008 14:32:00 +0000

By: Excellence Without Money! : Historiann : History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present

Mon, 15 Dec 2008 18:53:01 +0000

[...] new slogan leads us directly to a comment by Matt L. on a recent post called “Money, class, and the values of academe” about our curious [...]

By: prof bw

prof bw — Mon, 15 Dec 2008 15:04:32 +0000

thanks. blog will be back online in January.

By: Historiann

Historiann — Sat, 13 Dec 2008 16:39:38 +0000

prof bw–good to hear from you–we miss you! I hope you start posting again soon.

Here’s to a winter with no shut-off slips on our front doors.

By: prof bw

prof bw — Sat, 13 Dec 2008 16:38:21 +0000

I’m late to this conversation but I just wanted to say thanks for writing this piece. At pov u, where almost no one comes from the middle class, we are still instilling the sense that if you are faculty you are above monetary concerns to our students, to the point where some grads look down their noses at faculty who won’t do extra service or teaching b/c the pay is so low. I often hear snark like “well I’m not here for the money”from both grads and the handful of moneyed colleagues at these budget meetings. I don’t think any of us are, but we do like to come home to doors without little yellow shut off slips on them . . .

thanks again!

By: Historiann

Historiann — Sat, 13 Dec 2008 16:37:22 +0000

Oh, and hi to Bob, who was writing at the same time that I was. I don’t know if there’s much cause for optimism here–after all, the highest paid public employees in my state (and I would assume most others) are the football coaches of CU and CSU. They beat out the governor and the university presidents every year. (At least, last time I checked–CSU fired its coach last year, so maybe the new guy isn’t making what the old celeb coach was.)

By: Historiann

Historiann — Sat, 13 Dec 2008 16:35:04 +0000

Matt L.–sorry not to have replied sooner, but I wanted to say that your comment is right on, completely. I think it may be worthy of highlighting in a separate post–so stay tuned…

I absolutely agree with your friend’s perspective on K-12 teaching. It resonates with my theory that globally and transhistorically, women are always expected to volunteer their work, and it’s only “bad girls” who make trouble and demand to be paid, let along better pay (or equal pay). This should concern anyone–male as well as female–who works in education or “cultural production” (in your terms) more generally, for exactly the reasons you say: “People. . . . would like [education] to be a commodity that costs as little as possible.” This is both a cause and a result of education being a feminized sector.

Thanks so much for your insights.