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	<title>Comments on: The Epistle of Miranda the MBA, 1 Manhattanites, chapter I:  Yea verily I say unto you, this sucks</title>
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		<title>By: Indyanna</title>
		<link>http://www.historiann.com/2008/12/09/the-epistle-of-miranda-the-mba-1-manhattanites-chapter-i-yea-verily-i-say-unto-you-this-sucks/comment-page-1/#comment-144945</link>
		<dc:creator>Indyanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 04:47:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, a lot of much younger than 27-year olds are in places where &quot;War Room&quot; is not a metaphorical term of art and it doesn&#039;t have 24-7 pizza delivery or Chinese takeout. Imagine if a young captain in one of these places was doing that with a cutout of the daughter of an area clan strongman?  Probably get hir a ticket straight back to corporal in the mailroom at Fort Hood.  I don&#039;t think they should fire him.  Give him a more developmentally-appropriate assignment, though.  Like what I had at 27: GS-4 Park Technician, I think they called it, in a National Recreation Area somewhere.  (Actually, that was a bit of a step up from a grad student who had run out his stipendiary money string). That kind of bureaucratic tough-love would probably sober a lot more people up than just dramatically firing the punk and sending him off on his memoir/book tour.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, a lot of much younger than 27-year olds are in places where &#8220;War Room&#8221; is not a metaphorical term of art and it doesn&#8217;t have 24-7 pizza delivery or Chinese takeout. Imagine if a young captain in one of these places was doing that with a cutout of the daughter of an area clan strongman?  Probably get hir a ticket straight back to corporal in the mailroom at Fort Hood.  I don&#8217;t think they should fire him.  Give him a more developmentally-appropriate assignment, though.  Like what I had at 27: GS-4 Park Technician, I think they called it, in a National Recreation Area somewhere.  (Actually, that was a bit of a step up from a grad student who had run out his stipendiary money string). That kind of bureaucratic tough-love would probably sober a lot more people up than just dramatically firing the punk and sending him off on his memoir/book tour.</p>
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		<title>By: nwmom</title>
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		<dc:creator>nwmom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 00:11:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The &quot;boys will be boys&quot; shtick is killing me.  How on earth a 27 year-old cannot be held responsible for his own behavior staggers the imagination.  As a lawyer, I have male criminal defendants as clients who would love that excuse...er, defense.  When anyone suggests the age issue, I always want to ask them at exactly what age should someone be held responsible?

For those Obama fans serenely floating above this, I wonder if someone posed an Obama cardboard cut-out as if enjoying some friend chicken and watermelon would be seen as racist if done by drunk young Clinton staffers.  Heavens knows the Obama folks saw racism in everything other than mindless adulation of Obama.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;boys will be boys&#8221; shtick is killing me.  How on earth a 27 year-old cannot be held responsible for his own behavior staggers the imagination.  As a lawyer, I have male criminal defendants as clients who would love that excuse&#8230;er, defense.  When anyone suggests the age issue, I always want to ask them at exactly what age should someone be held responsible?</p>
<p>For those Obama fans serenely floating above this, I wonder if someone posed an Obama cardboard cut-out as if enjoying some friend chicken and watermelon would be seen as racist if done by drunk young Clinton staffers.  Heavens knows the Obama folks saw racism in everything other than mindless adulation of Obama.</p>
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		<title>By: Historiann</title>
		<link>http://www.historiann.com/2008/12/09/the-epistle-of-miranda-the-mba-1-manhattanites-chapter-i-yea-verily-i-say-unto-you-this-sucks/comment-page-1/#comment-144750</link>
		<dc:creator>Historiann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 00:05:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Welcome, cgeye.  We&#039;ll see how this plays out, and how the other appointments go.  I remain optimistic that with Clinton, Napolitano, and Susan Rice as high-level appointees, there&#039;s a chance that things will improve.  I hope we&#039;ll see more women in the cabinet and--just as importantly--on the inner circle of the WH staff. (Then again, we thought that about Janet Reno and Madeline Albright in Bill Clinton&#039;s administrations too, didn&#039;t we?)  I hope that those women will lay down the law in their agencies about appropriate behavior and that those who create hostile working environments will not be tolerated.

Anyone want to bet against me that Favreau keeps his job?  I say it&#039;s 12-1 that he stays.  But, remember, I am Historiann, not Futuriann, and am very bad at predctions.  (I never predicted the level of Hillary Clinton hatred within the Democratic party we&#039;ve seen all year long, for example!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Welcome, cgeye.  We&#8217;ll see how this plays out, and how the other appointments go.  I remain optimistic that with Clinton, Napolitano, and Susan Rice as high-level appointees, there&#8217;s a chance that things will improve.  I hope we&#8217;ll see more women in the cabinet and&#8211;just as importantly&#8211;on the inner circle of the WH staff. (Then again, we thought that about Janet Reno and Madeline Albright in Bill Clinton&#8217;s administrations too, didn&#8217;t we?)  I hope that those women will lay down the law in their agencies about appropriate behavior and that those who create hostile working environments will not be tolerated.</p>
<p>Anyone want to bet against me that Favreau keeps his job?  I say it&#8217;s 12-1 that he stays.  But, remember, I am Historiann, not Futuriann, and am very bad at predctions.  (I never predicted the level of Hillary Clinton hatred within the Democratic party we&#8217;ve seen all year long, for example!)</p>
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		<title>By: cgeye</title>
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		<dc:creator>cgeye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 23:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(sorry for the errors, above; passion ruled.)

If the leaders of one of the most sexist campaigns in modern electoral history doesn&#039;t address their problems with sexism now, when will they ever confront it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(sorry for the errors, above; passion ruled.)</p>
<p>If the leaders of one of the most sexist campaigns in modern electoral history doesn&#8217;t address their problems with sexism now, when will they ever confront it?</p>
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		<title>By: cgeye</title>
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		<dc:creator>cgeye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 23:52:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, sure, when *I* discuss the Obama data mining of one&#039;s Internetting, I get the pat on the head, but when a *MBA* broad notices it, she gets her own post... *sigh*.

Aren&#039;t we tired of the MBA-ization of America? Where has that brought us, ladies and gentlemen?

;&gt;

But I think the larger issue is what stories of sexism in the Obama campaign exist?  I know there are broads who whooped it up and called Clinton and Palin the worst names possible, to be one of the boys, but even they had their limits. When were those limits breached? What women had to swallow all that crap and stay silent, for the good of the campaign?

We might not know their stories now; we will know their stories after the hiring frenzy for the Administration has subsided, and they&#039;re left odd girls out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, sure, when *I* discuss the Obama data mining of one&#8217;s Internetting, I get the pat on the head, but when a *MBA* broad notices it, she gets her own post&#8230; *sigh*.</p>
<p>Aren&#8217;t we tired of the MBA-ization of America? Where has that brought us, ladies and gentlemen?</p>
<p>;&gt;</p>
<p>But I think the larger issue is what stories of sexism in the Obama campaign exist?  I know there are broads who whooped it up and called Clinton and Palin the worst names possible, to be one of the boys, but even they had their limits. When were those limits breached? What women had to swallow all that crap and stay silent, for the good of the campaign?</p>
<p>We might not know their stories now; we will know their stories after the hiring frenzy for the Administration has subsided, and they&#8217;re left odd girls out.</p>
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		<title>By: Bing</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 22:09:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Astraea: No, you really don&#039;t!  :)  (Also, I did not use a smiley.  I don&#039;t care what you think you saw!)

I think that turning his fate over to Clinton would be completely fair.  She is, after all, the one who was sinned against.  Oh, can you imagine the lesson learned by his being called into her office to explain himself?  I would love to be the 4 million dollar robotic spy-insect on the wall during that confrontation!

HJ</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Astraea: No, you really don&#8217;t!  <img src='http://www.historiann.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   (Also, I did not use a smiley.  I don&#8217;t care what you think you saw!)</p>
<p>I think that turning his fate over to Clinton would be completely fair.  She is, after all, the one who was sinned against.  Oh, can you imagine the lesson learned by his being called into her office to explain himself?  I would love to be the 4 million dollar robotic spy-insect on the wall during that confrontation!</p>
<p>HJ</p>
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		<title>By: Historiann</title>
		<link>http://www.historiann.com/2008/12/09/the-epistle-of-miranda-the-mba-1-manhattanites-chapter-i-yea-verily-i-say-unto-you-this-sucks/comment-page-1/#comment-144610</link>
		<dc:creator>Historiann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 21:57:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From what I hear, Blago was no fan of Obama.  He&#039;s on the wiretap screaming &quot;F him&quot; (Obama.)  A good thing for Obama!

From &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/12/9/13562/8880&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Talk Left&lt;/a&gt;:



&lt;blockquote&gt;ROD BLAGOJEVICH said that the consultants (Advisor B and another consultant are believed to be on the call at that time) are telling him that he has to “suck it up” for two years and do nothing and give this “motherf*cker [the President-elect] his senator. F*ck him. For nothing? F*ck him.” ROD BLAGOJEVICH states that he will put “[Senate Candidate 4]” in the Senate “before I just give f*cking [Senate Candidate 1] a f*cking Senate seat and I don’t get anything.”&lt;/blockquote&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From what I hear, Blago was no fan of Obama.  He&#8217;s on the wiretap screaming &#8220;F him&#8221; (Obama.)  A good thing for Obama!</p>
<p>From <a href="http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/12/9/13562/8880" rel="nofollow">Talk Left</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>ROD BLAGOJEVICH said that the consultants (Advisor B and another consultant are believed to be on the call at that time) are telling him that he has to “suck it up” for two years and do nothing and give this “motherf*cker [the President-elect] his senator. F*ck him. For nothing? F*ck him.” ROD BLAGOJEVICH states that he will put “[Senate Candidate 4]” in the Senate “before I just give f*cking [Senate Candidate 1] a f*cking Senate seat and I don’t get anything.”</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Indyanna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Indyanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 21:50:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do fear that the news out of Chicago today (a governor in &#039;cuffs, a connection to Obama, etc.) will be all the smokescreen it takes--if any were needed--to make this one go away quietly.  Not clear if it would have gone away anyway. From what I could see, the mainstream media wasn&#039;t exactly jumping on the story.  The Chicago Tribune is also in &#039;cuffs today, of the bankruptcy variety. Has anyone checked on the O&#039;Leary barn lately?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do fear that the news out of Chicago today (a governor in &#8216;cuffs, a connection to Obama, etc.) will be all the smokescreen it takes&#8211;if any were needed&#8211;to make this one go away quietly.  Not clear if it would have gone away anyway. From what I could see, the mainstream media wasn&#8217;t exactly jumping on the story.  The Chicago Tribune is also in &#8216;cuffs today, of the bankruptcy variety. Has anyone checked on the O&#8217;Leary barn lately?</p>
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		<title>By: Historiann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Historiann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 20:29:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent--thanks, Ann.  I will be happy to take credit for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent&#8211;thanks, Ann.  I will be happy to take credit for it.</p>
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		<title>By: Ann Bartow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ann Bartow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 20:28:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rename it Historiann&#039;s Law! Godwin is no feminist, trust me on that...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rename it Historiann&#8217;s Law! Godwin is no feminist, trust me on that&#8230;</p>
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