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		<title>By: Matthew W. Hall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew W. Hall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jan 2012 19:50:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that if you&#039;ll only be satisfied with a tenure-track facutly appointment in an individual academic department at a four-year school, you should probably reconsider getting a Ph.D. But, if you are open to a broader diversity of jobs including in related fields combining teaching, administration, publishing, government, and consulting as a professional in your area, you can build a career that is more satisfying and makes a decent living.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that if you&#8217;ll only be satisfied with a tenure-track facutly appointment in an individual academic department at a four-year school, you should probably reconsider getting a Ph.D. But, if you are open to a broader diversity of jobs including in related fields combining teaching, administration, publishing, government, and consulting as a professional in your area, you can build a career that is more satisfying and makes a decent living.</p>
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		<title>By: So you want to get a Ph.D. in the humanities? : Historiann : History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present</title>
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		<dc:creator>So you want to get a Ph.D. in the humanities? : Historiann : History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Oct 2010 15:08:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the rest of you in on it.)  And then, if we really can&#8217;t talk you out of getting a Ph.D., read this and this.  Best of luck to [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Friday food fights! Plus evidence of my evildoing, with links. : Historiann : History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present</title>
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		<dc:creator>Friday food fights! Plus evidence of my evildoing, with links. : Historiann : History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 16:27:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] How (not) to apply to graduate school, part I and part II:  stems and seeds edition [...]</description>
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		<title>By: How not to apply to grad school part II: STEMs and seeds edition : Historiann : History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present</title>
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		<dc:creator>How not to apply to grad school part II: STEMs and seeds edition : Historiann : History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 10:40:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] (For more tips, please see last winter&#8217;s &#8220;How (not) to apply to graduate school.&#8221;) [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Blonde Bruin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blonde Bruin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 07:14:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you so much for posting this topic.  I&#039;m a college junior, and in the last month have considered graduate school (other than law school) for the first time in my life.  This is hugely helpful, considering that I&#039;ve spent the past 10 years rigorously preparing myself for law school applications and have paid little attention to other options.  

After falling in love with literary theory, I&#039;m pretty convinced that I&#039;m going to go for it and at least try out a Master&#039;s before inevitably going to law school.  But I do have one question: because my only sincere goal is to pursue academic inquiry for a few more years on a level I know will never afterward be attainable, merely as a brief detour from my eventual goal to practice public interest law, will that hurt my application?

Also, considering that I have a 3.89 GPA and got a 169 on my practice LSAT, I think I may be insane to bypass this (extremely viable) chance to get into the top law schools in the U.S.  But--and this might be painfully idealistic--I think I&#039;ll always regret it if I don&#039;t pursue this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you so much for posting this topic.  I&#8217;m a college junior, and in the last month have considered graduate school (other than law school) for the first time in my life.  This is hugely helpful, considering that I&#8217;ve spent the past 10 years rigorously preparing myself for law school applications and have paid little attention to other options.  </p>
<p>After falling in love with literary theory, I&#8217;m pretty convinced that I&#8217;m going to go for it and at least try out a Master&#8217;s before inevitably going to law school.  But I do have one question: because my only sincere goal is to pursue academic inquiry for a few more years on a level I know will never afterward be attainable, merely as a brief detour from my eventual goal to practice public interest law, will that hurt my application?</p>
<p>Also, considering that I have a 3.89 GPA and got a 169 on my practice LSAT, I think I may be insane to bypass this (extremely viable) chance to get into the top law schools in the U.S.  But&#8211;and this might be painfully idealistic&#8211;I think I&#8217;ll always regret it if I don&#8217;t pursue this.</p>
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		<title>By: Luke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Luke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 09:56:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great thread over here. I was just accepted to the M.A. program at Crappy State University, Large Town USA. My undergrad GPA is 3.3, and my history GPA is 3.4. It&#039;s pretty pathetic, and I&#039;m hoping that decent scores on the GRE will get me into some sort of PhD program down the road. I don&#039;t even care which program, as long as I can verify that I have a chance of finishing it relatively quickly. Torture I can handle, but not exaggerated timeliness. 

I have read time and time again that someone has gotten a PhD from a decent institution, and considers it a tragedy that they are now teaching at some Community College. This is ridiculous. I plan to use a PhD as a way to get my writing published, and on top of that I will be glad to obtain a teaching position at a high school or community college. 

Now, I&#039;m not sure what to write on my applications. Obviously, if I write that my goal is to teach at a high school - well, the committees are going to look down on that. I just write &quot;teaching&quot; because I figure they assume that I am a snotty person that thinks PhDs have a god given right to teach in the university setting. 

Honestly, I just think that I was born to do this. I don&#039;t care what it costs or how long it takes. I want to be a historian of the highest caliber - and believe me, I know all about historiography and the difficulty of acquiring source materials. I am confident that I can do this!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great thread over here. I was just accepted to the M.A. program at Crappy State University, Large Town USA. My undergrad GPA is 3.3, and my history GPA is 3.4. It&#8217;s pretty pathetic, and I&#8217;m hoping that decent scores on the GRE will get me into some sort of PhD program down the road. I don&#8217;t even care which program, as long as I can verify that I have a chance of finishing it relatively quickly. Torture I can handle, but not exaggerated timeliness. </p>
<p>I have read time and time again that someone has gotten a PhD from a decent institution, and considers it a tragedy that they are now teaching at some Community College. This is ridiculous. I plan to use a PhD as a way to get my writing published, and on top of that I will be glad to obtain a teaching position at a high school or community college. </p>
<p>Now, I&#8217;m not sure what to write on my applications. Obviously, if I write that my goal is to teach at a high school &#8211; well, the committees are going to look down on that. I just write &#8220;teaching&#8221; because I figure they assume that I am a snotty person that thinks PhDs have a god given right to teach in the university setting. </p>
<p>Honestly, I just think that I was born to do this. I don&#8217;t care what it costs or how long it takes. I want to be a historian of the highest caliber &#8211; and believe me, I know all about historiography and the difficulty of acquiring source materials. I am confident that I can do this!</p>
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		<title>By: Historiann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Historiann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 14:29:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nerdherd--History departments claim to be interdisciplinary these days--this is perhaps one of the reasons that so many American Studies programs have been eaten up by History departments.  But, some are more genuinely interested in interdisciplinarity than others, and some faculty are more interested than others--there&#039;s no one way to answer your question.  So, I would explore many different programs and carefully select the ones you apply to.

As for funding and financial aid:  again, there is no one prescription for getting what you want or need.  After reading through various grad programs&#039; web sites, I would contact the graduate studies director (or chair) and ask her or him your questions about interdisciplinarity and financial aid.  The more specific you can be about yourself, your interests, and your questions, the more helpful the grad studies directors can be in their replies to you.  Their responses--or lack of responsiveness--will tell you a lot about whether or not you&#039;d be a good fit for those programs.

In general, though, Ph.D. students tend to be better funded than M.A. students--there are some programs that offer TA-ships to M.A. students, but it&#039;s my impression that those goodies (if they exist) tend to be reserved more for the long-haul students.  As for your GRE scores--one of the questions you should ask is if there&#039;s a cutoff for a minimum GRE score.  (Some large and well-funded departments get so many applications that they may decide that they don&#039;t need to look at anyone with below a 550 or 600 on the verbal GRE, for example.)  It might be worth your while to re-take the test, to see if you can get the scores up if you&#039;re at or below the cutoff.  Your grades, admissions essay, and letters of rec. will be more important overall, but only if your application gets a look, and it might not if your scores are very low.

Good luck!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nerdherd&#8211;History departments claim to be interdisciplinary these days&#8211;this is perhaps one of the reasons that so many American Studies programs have been eaten up by History departments.  But, some are more genuinely interested in interdisciplinarity than others, and some faculty are more interested than others&#8211;there&#8217;s no one way to answer your question.  So, I would explore many different programs and carefully select the ones you apply to.</p>
<p>As for funding and financial aid:  again, there is no one prescription for getting what you want or need.  After reading through various grad programs&#8217; web sites, I would contact the graduate studies director (or chair) and ask her or him your questions about interdisciplinarity and financial aid.  The more specific you can be about yourself, your interests, and your questions, the more helpful the grad studies directors can be in their replies to you.  Their responses&#8211;or lack of responsiveness&#8211;will tell you a lot about whether or not you&#8217;d be a good fit for those programs.</p>
<p>In general, though, Ph.D. students tend to be better funded than M.A. students&#8211;there are some programs that offer TA-ships to M.A. students, but it&#8217;s my impression that those goodies (if they exist) tend to be reserved more for the long-haul students.  As for your GRE scores&#8211;one of the questions you should ask is if there&#8217;s a cutoff for a minimum GRE score.  (Some large and well-funded departments get so many applications that they may decide that they don&#8217;t need to look at anyone with below a 550 or 600 on the verbal GRE, for example.)  It might be worth your while to re-take the test, to see if you can get the scores up if you&#8217;re at or below the cutoff.  Your grades, admissions essay, and letters of rec. will be more important overall, but only if your application gets a look, and it might not if your scores are very low.</p>
<p>Good luck!</p>
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		<title>By: Nerdherd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nerdherd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 13:59:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Historiann,

i am thinking of applying to a phd program in either history or social sciences.  i am more interested in interdisciplinary studies, but isn&#039;t history at the graduate level taking on more of an interdisciplinary form as well?  

also, how can i secure an assistantship or other aid from universities that i apply to?  i graduated with honors from an ivy league college, but my gre scores are a little weak.  what are the main ingredients (including specific scores and gpa) that would help secure financial aid that does not need to be repaid?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Historiann,</p>
<p>i am thinking of applying to a phd program in either history or social sciences.  i am more interested in interdisciplinary studies, but isn&#8217;t history at the graduate level taking on more of an interdisciplinary form as well?  </p>
<p>also, how can i secure an assistantship or other aid from universities that i apply to?  i graduated with honors from an ivy league college, but my gre scores are a little weak.  what are the main ingredients (including specific scores and gpa) that would help secure financial aid that does not need to be repaid?</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy Young</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremy Young</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 07:01:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great advice, Historiann -- and I absolutely agree with TR about the need for a common app.  The silliest part of it is that most grad programs use one of two software providers, and it would be the easiest thing in the world for those software providers to make applications from different schools talk to one another, so you could just fill out one app per provider.  If grad schools did that, I would have only had to write five applications for my thirteen grad schools instead of thirteen different ones -- and ditto my long-suffering recommenders.  As it is, between separate but identical applications, schools that require separate applications for the Graduate School and the Department, tricky forms that have to accompany college transcripts, and all-around silliness on certain applications (my favorite was when Harvard made me do a detailed and invasive analysis of my finances after I&#039;d already told them I didn&#039;t qualify for merit-based financial aid, and then required that I type in my entire college transcript by hand even though they were going to get the official copy in the mail within a week) -- the mechanics of the forms are by far the most time-consuming part of the application, even though they&#039;re the least important.

I&#039;d give one more bit of advice for prospective grad students: shoot a well-thought-out e-mail to a professor at each school you&#039;re considering applying to.  Not because it will help you get in -- it won&#039;t -- but because if you ask the right questions, it will help you weed out a lot of schools that just don&#039;t fit for you.  I ended up knocking out about 7-8 schools based on the useful information I got from the responses: the prof who was rude to me, the one who wouldn&#039;t tell me whether or not he was retiring, the ones that told me they &lt;i&gt;were&lt;/i&gt; retiring, and the one that told me his school was no longer admitting any students in my subfield.  These contacts saved me a lot of time and money that would have been wasted otherwise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great advice, Historiann &#8212; and I absolutely agree with TR about the need for a common app.  The silliest part of it is that most grad programs use one of two software providers, and it would be the easiest thing in the world for those software providers to make applications from different schools talk to one another, so you could just fill out one app per provider.  If grad schools did that, I would have only had to write five applications for my thirteen grad schools instead of thirteen different ones &#8212; and ditto my long-suffering recommenders.  As it is, between separate but identical applications, schools that require separate applications for the Graduate School and the Department, tricky forms that have to accompany college transcripts, and all-around silliness on certain applications (my favorite was when Harvard made me do a detailed and invasive analysis of my finances after I&#8217;d already told them I didn&#8217;t qualify for merit-based financial aid, and then required that I type in my entire college transcript by hand even though they were going to get the official copy in the mail within a week) &#8212; the mechanics of the forms are by far the most time-consuming part of the application, even though they&#8217;re the least important.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d give one more bit of advice for prospective grad students: shoot a well-thought-out e-mail to a professor at each school you&#8217;re considering applying to.  Not because it will help you get in &#8212; it won&#8217;t &#8212; but because if you ask the right questions, it will help you weed out a lot of schools that just don&#8217;t fit for you.  I ended up knocking out about 7-8 schools based on the useful information I got from the responses: the prof who was rude to me, the one who wouldn&#8217;t tell me whether or not he was retiring, the ones that told me they <i>were</i> retiring, and the one that told me his school was no longer admitting any students in my subfield.  These contacts saved me a lot of time and money that would have been wasted otherwise.</p>
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		<title>By: Historiann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Historiann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 15:51:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, Noah--you must be an extremely boring college freshman!  (Kidding.)  Well, I&#039;m glad Historiann enjoys such a wide and distinguished audience!  

Brett and Judith, thanks for stopping by to comment.  Good luck, Judith--but I&#039;m not sure Panera pays well enough to pay down your law school debts!  You could do worse than a Ph.D. in legal history--I&#039;m sure your law degree will go a long way towards getting you in the door, and probably with funding, too.

And Geoff:  you started grad school a few years before the job market took off again in the mid- to late 1990s, only shortly after the recession of 1991 put the brakes on hiring until 1994 or 1995 again.  Things were pretty good in the late 1990s and early 2000s, when I was on the market for my first and then my second (and current) TT job.  I&#039;m wondering if we&#039;re entering another deep freeze for a few years.

The only good news about the hiring ice age is that for those of us who have jobs we like, we&#039;ll be able to hold onto talented young faculty a little longer than they would necessarily like to be held onto.  But, that&#039;s thin gruel indeed for those who don&#039;t yet have TT jobs, or for those who are unhappy where they are.  So get comfy everyone--you might be where you are for a while longer than you had planned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, Noah&#8211;you must be an extremely boring college freshman!  (Kidding.)  Well, I&#8217;m glad Historiann enjoys such a wide and distinguished audience!  </p>
<p>Brett and Judith, thanks for stopping by to comment.  Good luck, Judith&#8211;but I&#8217;m not sure Panera pays well enough to pay down your law school debts!  You could do worse than a Ph.D. in legal history&#8211;I&#8217;m sure your law degree will go a long way towards getting you in the door, and probably with funding, too.</p>
<p>And Geoff:  you started grad school a few years before the job market took off again in the mid- to late 1990s, only shortly after the recession of 1991 put the brakes on hiring until 1994 or 1995 again.  Things were pretty good in the late 1990s and early 2000s, when I was on the market for my first and then my second (and current) TT job.  I&#8217;m wondering if we&#8217;re entering another deep freeze for a few years.</p>
<p>The only good news about the hiring ice age is that for those of us who have jobs we like, we&#8217;ll be able to hold onto talented young faculty a little longer than they would necessarily like to be held onto.  But, that&#8217;s thin gruel indeed for those who don&#8217;t yet have TT jobs, or for those who are unhappy where they are.  So get comfy everyone&#8211;you might be where you are for a while longer than you had planned.</p>
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